Four minutes of hate and a deletion October 15, 2008 10:01 AM Subscribe
Attention MeFi posters! Madonna is not on the approved cool celebrity list.
Is there a list of clever deletion reasons? This one by cortex made my day better.
posted by mitzyjalapeno at 10:02 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by mitzyjalapeno at 10:02 AM on October 15, 2008
Like a n00b
Torched for the very first time
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:07 AM on October 15, 2008 [14 favorites]
Torched for the very first time
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:07 AM on October 15, 2008 [14 favorites]
Good to hear.
posted by M.C. Lo-Carb! at 10:11 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by M.C. Lo-Carb! at 10:11 AM on October 15, 2008
If you want celebrity gossip, go to TMZ or Perez Hilton.
posted by amro at 10:11 AM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by amro at 10:11 AM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Since I read this news this morning I can't stop thinking about the Star Stories episode with Guy and Madge.
posted by ob at 10:19 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by ob at 10:19 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
What a weird post.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:23 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:23 AM on October 15, 2008
At last my campaign to Free Guy Ritchie is successful!
YOU ARE NOW FREE TO ROLL WHEN EVER YOU WANT, GUY!
posted by tkchrist at 10:28 AM on October 15, 2008
YOU ARE NOW FREE TO ROLL WHEN EVER YOU WANT, GUY!
posted by tkchrist at 10:28 AM on October 15, 2008
Actually, that was a pretty bad post.
It would have been framed better if it included a detail list of her life, included semi-obscure paradoy pieces (the Village Voice's version of SEX would have been nice), included the fact that Madonna's divorce had been predicted since July (and denied a million times), threw in the facts that Madonna helped cause Alex Rodriguez divorce (and possibly cost the Yankees a playoff berth), that Alex Rodriguez and his wife's divorce was epically boring and dull, that Madonna's daughter has been trying her best to ween herself off of Madonna (and considering her daughters eyebrows, the current "trend" of young tweens heading to beauty salons and the fact that Madonna seems to be against that could also have been included), and, finally, with a wrap up of Madonna's behavior at her recent shows making fun of Sarah Palin and McCain, might have made it non-deletable.
But, honestly, there is nothing that unites Metafilter like posting celebrity gossip to the front page. There's a certain kind of love there that crosses political, racial, religious, and international borders.
posted by Stynxno at 10:29 AM on October 15, 2008 [5 favorites]
It would have been framed better if it included a detail list of her life, included semi-obscure paradoy pieces (the Village Voice's version of SEX would have been nice), included the fact that Madonna's divorce had been predicted since July (and denied a million times), threw in the facts that Madonna helped cause Alex Rodriguez divorce (and possibly cost the Yankees a playoff berth), that Alex Rodriguez and his wife's divorce was epically boring and dull, that Madonna's daughter has been trying her best to ween herself off of Madonna (and considering her daughters eyebrows, the current "trend" of young tweens heading to beauty salons and the fact that Madonna seems to be against that could also have been included), and, finally, with a wrap up of Madonna's behavior at her recent shows making fun of Sarah Palin and McCain, might have made it non-deletable.
But, honestly, there is nothing that unites Metafilter like posting celebrity gossip to the front page. There's a certain kind of love there that crosses political, racial, religious, and international borders.
posted by Stynxno at 10:29 AM on October 15, 2008 [5 favorites]
I don't even know who Madonna is, because I'm so much more unique than everyone else, and I manifest my fascinating uniqueness through ignorance of pop culture!
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 10:30 AM on October 15, 2008 [15 favorites]
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 10:30 AM on October 15, 2008 [15 favorites]
congratulations on finding a post subject that brings out the MeFi moany fuckers more than my Amy Winehouse one did.
They tried to make a post RE: Madge, but we said no, no, no.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:35 AM on October 15, 2008 [7 favorites]
They tried to make a post RE: Madge, but we said no, no, no.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:35 AM on October 15, 2008 [7 favorites]
While I agree that the FPP was weak, I have to play devil's advocate to the "this isn't legitimate enough for MeFi" skeptics: CNN decided this was "breaking news" .
posted by pineapple at 10:36 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by pineapple at 10:36 AM on October 15, 2008
trying her best to ween herself off of Madonna
This mostly involves listening to "Spinal Meningitis (Got Me Down)" on unlimited repeat.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:36 AM on October 15, 2008 [13 favorites]
This mostly involves listening to "Spinal Meningitis (Got Me Down)" on unlimited repeat.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:36 AM on October 15, 2008 [13 favorites]
"this isn't legitimate enough for MeFi"
if making a post that consists of links to music videos on youtube is "valid for metafilter", then celebrity gossip is fair game, imo.
posted by Stynxno at 10:38 AM on October 15, 2008
if making a post that consists of links to music videos on youtube is "valid for metafilter", then celebrity gossip is fair game, imo.
posted by Stynxno at 10:38 AM on October 15, 2008
pineapple, that just makes it newsfilter, which is no good either.
posted by amro at 10:39 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by amro at 10:39 AM on October 15, 2008
that just makes it newsfilter, which is no good either.
Oh, I wholeheartedly concur. But your comment upthread was that MeFi isn't a place for celebrity gossip, and clearly other powers that be consider this more than mere gossip.
posted by pineapple at 10:45 AM on October 15, 2008
Oh, I wholeheartedly concur. But your comment upthread was that MeFi isn't a place for celebrity gossip, and clearly other powers that be consider this more than mere gossip.
posted by pineapple at 10:45 AM on October 15, 2008
"included the fact that Madonna's divorce had been predicted since July (and denied a million times),"
Yeah, the bigger problem is that this is not really news—the divorce has been top on Google News's entertainment section for, like, months. Anyone who's into Madonna already knew this was pretty much a done deal, and anyone not into Madonna wouldn't really care.
"if making a post that consists of links to music videos on youtube is "valid for metafilter", then celebrity gossip is fair game, imo."
When will people figure out that it's not strictly WHAT the content is, but rather HOW and WHY that makes an interesting post? Of course celebrity gossip is fair game, but, like newsfilter or youtube, it needs to justify being posted. That I think America's Next Top Model and Project Runway are entertaining as all hell is not a reason to post their main sites, but an essay about morality on ANTM could be easily justified. Or how pictures of flowers are nice and pretty, but they'd better be new and interesting pictures of flowers to justify making it past the filter.
posted by klangklangston at 10:50 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Yeah, the bigger problem is that this is not really news—the divorce has been top on Google News's entertainment section for, like, months. Anyone who's into Madonna already knew this was pretty much a done deal, and anyone not into Madonna wouldn't really care.
"if making a post that consists of links to music videos on youtube is "valid for metafilter", then celebrity gossip is fair game, imo."
When will people figure out that it's not strictly WHAT the content is, but rather HOW and WHY that makes an interesting post? Of course celebrity gossip is fair game, but, like newsfilter or youtube, it needs to justify being posted. That I think America's Next Top Model and Project Runway are entertaining as all hell is not a reason to post their main sites, but an essay about morality on ANTM could be easily justified. Or how pictures of flowers are nice and pretty, but they'd better be new and interesting pictures of flowers to justify making it past the filter.
posted by klangklangston at 10:50 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
But your comment upthread was that MeFi isn't a place for celebrity gossip, and clearly other powers that be consider this more than mere gossip.
Oh, you can get celebrity gossip at CNN.com, but it's never as juicy as the stuff on Perez.
posted by amro at 10:53 AM on October 15, 2008
Oh, you can get celebrity gossip at CNN.com, but it's never as juicy as the stuff on Perez.
posted by amro at 10:53 AM on October 15, 2008
Dear Artw, if you have a point to make, feel free to make it. Otherwise yeah I guess she's not on my cool celeb list and yeah that was a bad post.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:03 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:03 AM on October 15, 2008
Oh this was a lame post, but does that mean we be little Camille Pagilas and just talk about Madonna until the thread is closed?
I'll go first. I was 6 and bouncing about in my underpants, singing along to "Material Girl" when my mother stopped dead in the doorway. She looked at me and then said, very slowly.
"BOY, you're a material BOY."
two decades later and I'm listening to this. Sigh.
posted by The Whelk at 11:09 AM on October 15, 2008 [7 favorites]
I'll go first. I was 6 and bouncing about in my underpants, singing along to "Material Girl" when my mother stopped dead in the doorway. She looked at me and then said, very slowly.
"BOY, you're a material BOY."
two decades later and I'm listening to this. Sigh.
posted by The Whelk at 11:09 AM on October 15, 2008 [7 favorites]
seriously? you are upset that got deleted?
Hey, some of us like up-to-the-minute updates on what's on the homepage of the Huffington Post, some of us are interested in weirdo aging pop stars and directors with car-crash careers. It's all gossip.
posted by Artw at 11:13 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Hey, some of us like up-to-the-minute updates on what's on the homepage of the Huffington Post, some of us are interested in weirdo aging pop stars and directors with car-crash careers. It's all gossip.
posted by Artw at 11:13 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
I'm voguing like crazy over here guys, help a brother out!
posted by Divine_Wino at 11:16 AM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by Divine_Wino at 11:16 AM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Apparently Madonna once met someone in England who didn't know who she was. I so envy that man, except for the part where he had to come into contact with her.
posted by orange swan at 11:26 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by orange swan at 11:26 AM on October 15, 2008
If you want celebrity gossip, go to TMZ or Perez Hilton.
What Would Tyler Durden Do? is far more entertaining.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 11:26 AM on October 15, 2008
What Would Tyler Durden Do? is far more entertaining.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 11:26 AM on October 15, 2008
Plus there's the occasional boob on Perez.
They're all boobs on Perez Hilton.
posted by 1f2frfbf at 11:32 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
They're all boobs on Perez Hilton.
posted by 1f2frfbf at 11:32 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Not to lionize a fictitious character who had no answers, just a desire to reduce everything to rubble without the urge to rebuild, but I've always thought, upon hearing the decoding of that acronymed URL, that the very last thing Tyler Durden would do would be to make a damn website.
posted by adipocere at 11:34 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by adipocere at 11:34 AM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Hey MeFi! I neither own a television nor am interested in celebrities! I'm doubly cool!
I love that a community that passionately believes in the right of adults to spend their leisure time any way they wish has such disdain* for those of use who choose to spend it taking an interest in the lives of our fellow human beings.
* Unless it's a minor nobody who happens to have died, in which case it's HEADLINE NEWS.
posted by cillit bang at 11:39 AM on October 15, 2008
I love that a community that passionately believes in the right of adults to spend their leisure time any way they wish has such disdain* for those of use who choose to spend it taking an interest in the lives of our fellow human beings.
* Unless it's a minor nobody who happens to have died, in which case it's HEADLINE NEWS.
posted by cillit bang at 11:39 AM on October 15, 2008
It was pretty celebrity newsfiltery. That said, I always assume Madonna hate is actually misdirected Madonna envy.
posted by Tehanu at 11:41 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by Tehanu at 11:41 AM on October 15, 2008
Were you maybe meaning to link to this comment, or another, cillit bang? Not that reading your comment as is as being about the sacred leisure-time pact of a man and his donut isn't kind of fun in its own way, but I'm guessing you meant to right-click-copy a timestamp and not my username.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:45 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:45 AM on October 15, 2008
Madonna is awesome, but still, that was a crap post. Who cares if she is getting a divorce?
posted by chunking express at 11:46 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by chunking express at 11:46 AM on October 15, 2008
When will people figure out that it's not strictly WHAT the content is, but rather HOW and WHY that makes an interesting post?
Hmmm. If this was true, then all the political posts on the blue wouldn't exist. It is not the why and the how that matter. It's the what that DOES matter. Framing any topic doesn't change the content, it just changes how it's perceived by people on Metafilter who believe that a certain set of topics and viewpoints are valid while another set are not. That's why I mentioned the ways to fluff out the Madonna post to make the perspective change when, in reality, it's still just a post about Madonna getting a divorce. The morality of ANTM has nothing really to do with ANTM - it has more to do with an individual's perception of what ANTM might say (and considering ANTM is really just an expansion of Tyra's ego, it really would be an essay about the morality of Tyra Banks which would have to include a youtube clip of her giving out crystal encrusted vaseline to her studio audience to make it awesome). Content does matter - and it matters much more than the style of the post. The problem is that people here tend to mistake the two.
posted by Stynxno at 11:53 AM on October 15, 2008
Hmmm. If this was true, then all the political posts on the blue wouldn't exist. It is not the why and the how that matter. It's the what that DOES matter. Framing any topic doesn't change the content, it just changes how it's perceived by people on Metafilter who believe that a certain set of topics and viewpoints are valid while another set are not. That's why I mentioned the ways to fluff out the Madonna post to make the perspective change when, in reality, it's still just a post about Madonna getting a divorce. The morality of ANTM has nothing really to do with ANTM - it has more to do with an individual's perception of what ANTM might say (and considering ANTM is really just an expansion of Tyra's ego, it really would be an essay about the morality of Tyra Banks which would have to include a youtube clip of her giving out crystal encrusted vaseline to her studio audience to make it awesome). Content does matter - and it matters much more than the style of the post. The problem is that people here tend to mistake the two.
posted by Stynxno at 11:53 AM on October 15, 2008
Totally agree with WWTDD recommendation, for anyone who likes their occasional dose of celeb gossip to come hot, fast and fresh, without getting all bogged down in catty camp.
posted by pineapple at 11:58 AM on October 15, 2008
posted by pineapple at 11:58 AM on October 15, 2008
Don't cry for Madonna, Metafilter.
(I still love you, Madge.)
posted by octobersurprise at 12:00 PM on October 15, 2008
(I still love you, Madge.)
posted by octobersurprise at 12:00 PM on October 15, 2008
Good post + uncool celeb = Good Post
Good post + cool celeb = Great Post!
Bad post + cool celeb = Marginal Post
Bad post + uncool celeb = Bad Post
posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 12:01 PM on October 15, 2008
Good post + cool celeb = Great Post!
Bad post + cool celeb = Marginal Post
Bad post + uncool celeb = Bad Post
posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 12:01 PM on October 15, 2008
Bugger, yes I was
posted by cillit bang at 12:03 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by cillit bang at 12:03 PM on October 15, 2008
You don't deserve me them
Oh and clearly I didn't irony-up it enough. I'm putting on the hair-shirt now...
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:04 PM on October 15, 2008
Oh and clearly I didn't irony-up it enough. I'm putting on the hair-shirt now...
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:04 PM on October 15, 2008
Good grief. Bad post, bad callout.
Matt should charge $5 for each MetaTalk post. Dude could have a dozen bikes. Cervelos even.
posted by GuyZero at 12:10 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Matt should charge $5 for each MetaTalk post. Dude could have a dozen bikes. Cervelos even.
posted by GuyZero at 12:10 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Did you make this call-out AFTER the FPP was deleted? Are you hoping it goes into double secret deletion status? Was five minutes too much time for hate, or not enough? Please point on the doll where the MeFi hurt you.
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 12:25 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 12:25 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
For the insanely curious, it seems that the mysterious “Wendy!” that Pharrell shouts out to on “She’s Not Me” is Wendy Melvoin, not Guy Ritchies phantom lover.
posted by Artw at 12:27 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by Artw at 12:27 PM on October 15, 2008
Slack-a-gogo - You might be having some trouble parsing sarcasm there.
posted by Artw at 12:28 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by Artw at 12:28 PM on October 15, 2008
and possibly cost the Yankees a playoff berth
Stynxno, can you elaborate on this? I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that his numbers were down a bit, but this had a lot more to do with the fact that he missed a bunch of games because of injury. Even still, his numbers were somewhere between slightly worse and slightly better than his 2004 numbers, when the Yanks had no trouble winning the East.
I hope I'm wrong, and you're arguing that the incident brought down the Yankees in some other crazy way.
posted by SpiffyRob at 12:28 PM on October 15, 2008
Stynxno, can you elaborate on this? I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that his numbers were down a bit, but this had a lot more to do with the fact that he missed a bunch of games because of injury. Even still, his numbers were somewhere between slightly worse and slightly better than his 2004 numbers, when the Yanks had no trouble winning the East.
I hope I'm wrong, and you're arguing that the incident brought down the Yankees in some other crazy way.
posted by SpiffyRob at 12:28 PM on October 15, 2008
here are a couple things i've thought about this whole thing.
1. there is no "good enough for metafilter." metafilter has consistently proven time and time again that its metric to avoid deletion is not link quality. there are simply things that fit the metafilter aesthetic and things that do not. the difference between a deleted SLYT post and one that survives is usually not a matter of the video's quality but just whether it fits out general taste and style. c'est la vie. most of our fpps sit squarely in the middle on a good/bad scale, with sprinklings at the far end of either end of that scale. you'll probably find incredible material here that you wouldn't find at other sites, but the idea that the real garbage doesn't make it here is ridiculous. it's just what type of garbage that matters. we don't do the FARK "boobies" links, but we will post a single link to a slightly amusing flash site making fun of Sarah Palin. I liked that site as much as anyone, but is it a post of any real quality? nah. it's just the kind of stupid fun we happen to like around here.
2. remember the phrase "best of the web?" I always took that to mean that a post should bring to light something the web has brought to us that was otherwise unavailable or difficult to see or experience. little unique or neat things that the internet brought to us. since then we've abandoned that idea in favor of endless links to the online components of newspapers and tv news media, niche product announcements, meh-worthy photo portfolios and youtube. but hey, the internet can't be innovative all the time. this was inevitable, i suppose. but i think this idea that a post should bring more to the table than just "oh hey look what happened over here," has a basis in that idea of "best of the web." you look at a post like the madonna one and it literally gives us nothing from the web. it can't be best of the web, because it's not really the web. it's just where some nonsense from someone's personal life has been intruded on enough that we can link to it. of course, the same could be said of newsfilter and plenty of other things that get linked here. so what's the difference? see point #1.
3. i know this sounds like a "metafilter was better back in the day" rant. really, that's not my point. mostly, i'm just trying to make the point that we most of us labor under the delusion that metafilter is a place where the best rises to the top and the crap gets filtered out. so when we see something crappy survive we think "well, if that's good enough, so is this crappy link." but that just hasn't been the drive behind metafilter in a long time. it's just a natural progression. we've developed a culture and a taste. does it seem unfair that your favorite crappy post didn't make it but some other crappy post did? oh well. I might do the best Prince impression ever (and I do) but that doesn't mean they want me doing it Center Field at the World Series. really, i think we need to abandon this idea that metafilter is some higher echelon of linkage. Metafilter is just "the metafilterest of the web." it fits metafilter or it doesn't. if you want your stuff to become part of the metafilter landscape, do what the newsfilter and youtube folks did: get a bunch of like minded people together to keep posting it as much as possible until eventually everyone gets tired of fighting it. ignore metatalk threads complaining about it.
4. specific to this post: next time post a nytimes link instead of a tabloid about it and leave out the googlenews search. that'll probably work.
posted by shmegegge at 12:33 PM on October 15, 2008 [6 favorites]
1. there is no "good enough for metafilter." metafilter has consistently proven time and time again that its metric to avoid deletion is not link quality. there are simply things that fit the metafilter aesthetic and things that do not. the difference between a deleted SLYT post and one that survives is usually not a matter of the video's quality but just whether it fits out general taste and style. c'est la vie. most of our fpps sit squarely in the middle on a good/bad scale, with sprinklings at the far end of either end of that scale. you'll probably find incredible material here that you wouldn't find at other sites, but the idea that the real garbage doesn't make it here is ridiculous. it's just what type of garbage that matters. we don't do the FARK "boobies" links, but we will post a single link to a slightly amusing flash site making fun of Sarah Palin. I liked that site as much as anyone, but is it a post of any real quality? nah. it's just the kind of stupid fun we happen to like around here.
2. remember the phrase "best of the web?" I always took that to mean that a post should bring to light something the web has brought to us that was otherwise unavailable or difficult to see or experience. little unique or neat things that the internet brought to us. since then we've abandoned that idea in favor of endless links to the online components of newspapers and tv news media, niche product announcements, meh-worthy photo portfolios and youtube. but hey, the internet can't be innovative all the time. this was inevitable, i suppose. but i think this idea that a post should bring more to the table than just "oh hey look what happened over here," has a basis in that idea of "best of the web." you look at a post like the madonna one and it literally gives us nothing from the web. it can't be best of the web, because it's not really the web. it's just where some nonsense from someone's personal life has been intruded on enough that we can link to it. of course, the same could be said of newsfilter and plenty of other things that get linked here. so what's the difference? see point #1.
3. i know this sounds like a "metafilter was better back in the day" rant. really, that's not my point. mostly, i'm just trying to make the point that we most of us labor under the delusion that metafilter is a place where the best rises to the top and the crap gets filtered out. so when we see something crappy survive we think "well, if that's good enough, so is this crappy link." but that just hasn't been the drive behind metafilter in a long time. it's just a natural progression. we've developed a culture and a taste. does it seem unfair that your favorite crappy post didn't make it but some other crappy post did? oh well. I might do the best Prince impression ever (and I do) but that doesn't mean they want me doing it Center Field at the World Series. really, i think we need to abandon this idea that metafilter is some higher echelon of linkage. Metafilter is just "the metafilterest of the web." it fits metafilter or it doesn't. if you want your stuff to become part of the metafilter landscape, do what the newsfilter and youtube folks did: get a bunch of like minded people together to keep posting it as much as possible until eventually everyone gets tired of fighting it. ignore metatalk threads complaining about it.
4. specific to this post: next time post a nytimes link instead of a tabloid about it and leave out the googlenews search. that'll probably work.
posted by shmegegge at 12:33 PM on October 15, 2008 [6 favorites]
I’d have more sympathy for the post quality argument if it wasn’t clearly unrelated to the hate-on.
posted by Artw at 12:36 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by Artw at 12:36 PM on October 15, 2008
I might do the best Prince impression ever (and I do) but that doesn't mean they want me doing it Center Field at the World Series.
Where "they"="me," I aggressively disagree. In fact, I demand that you do this.
posted by Skot at 12:53 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Where "they"="me," I aggressively disagree. In fact, I demand that you do this.
posted by Skot at 12:53 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
I’d have more sympathy for the post quality argument if it wasn’t clearly unrelated to the hate-on.
well, i don't know if i'm really making an argument so much as i'm making a couple of observations. basically i'm just saying the hate-on happens when something that doesn't fit the general metafilter aesthetic gets posted. is a stupid post about madonna as bad as a link to stormfront? obviously, no, but the hate on comes from a similar place.
posted by shmegegge at 12:55 PM on October 15, 2008
well, i don't know if i'm really making an argument so much as i'm making a couple of observations. basically i'm just saying the hate-on happens when something that doesn't fit the general metafilter aesthetic gets posted. is a stupid post about madonna as bad as a link to stormfront? obviously, no, but the hate on comes from a similar place.
posted by shmegegge at 12:55 PM on October 15, 2008
I flagged it and moved on. You can too!
posted by cowbellemoo at 12:57 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by cowbellemoo at 12:57 PM on October 15, 2008
you look at a post like the madonna one and it literally gives us nothing from the web. it can't be best of the web, because it's not really the web.
I suppose there was too much red mist for anyone to bother clicking on this for instance...
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:59 PM on October 15, 2008
I suppose there was too much red mist for anyone to bother clicking on this for instance...
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:59 PM on October 15, 2008
shmegegge - so MeFites don't like links to stormfront because of bullshit hipper-than-thou snobbery?
posted by Artw at 1:02 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by Artw at 1:02 PM on October 15, 2008
She's still alive, right? Cuz I have her in the dead pool...
posted by fixedgear at 1:06 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by fixedgear at 1:06 PM on October 15, 2008
She’ll be alive and still touring in fifty years time, but she’ll be part robot.
posted by Artw at 1:09 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by Artw at 1:09 PM on October 15, 2008
She’ll be alive and still touring in fifty years time, but she’ll be part robot.
Naw, with the new model Cylons you just upload the memories into a new unit. Saves loads of time.
posted by The Whelk at 1:17 PM on October 15, 2008
Naw, with the new model Cylons you just upload the memories into a new unit. Saves loads of time.
posted by The Whelk at 1:17 PM on October 15, 2008
"Hmmm. If this was true, then all the political posts on the blue wouldn't exist. It is not the why and the how that matter. It's the what that DOES matter."
Well, no, but I'm obviously not making myself clear. My point was: that something is a youtube link or a politics link or a celeb gossip link doesn't matter as much as the quality of said youtube or polifi or celsip.
That said, I do disagree with you about whether framing makes a difference, both in terms of having a qualitative effect on the content and on whether or not something will be deleted, and you've been through celebrity gossip deletions enough to know that.
posted by klangklangston at 1:18 PM on October 15, 2008
Well, no, but I'm obviously not making myself clear. My point was: that something is a youtube link or a politics link or a celeb gossip link doesn't matter as much as the quality of said youtube or polifi or celsip.
That said, I do disagree with you about whether framing makes a difference, both in terms of having a qualitative effect on the content and on whether or not something will be deleted, and you've been through celebrity gossip deletions enough to know that.
posted by klangklangston at 1:18 PM on October 15, 2008
It's unkind of so many of you to be so dismissive of this amazingly important event:
Now that they are no longer together, will she get to keep the British accent? Is it a right that will continue to be conferred to her, or must she relinquish it immediately?
I've been dying to know this for years.
posted by quin at 1:29 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Now that they are no longer together, will she get to keep the British accent? Is it a right that will continue to be conferred to her, or must she relinquish it immediately?
I've been dying to know this for years.
posted by quin at 1:29 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
will she get to keep the British accent?
Well, in fairness hers in no faker than her ex-husband's.
posted by Abiezer at 1:40 PM on October 15, 2008 [3 favorites]
Well, in fairness hers in no faker than her ex-husband's.
posted by Abiezer at 1:40 PM on October 15, 2008 [3 favorites]
so MeFites don't like links to stormfront because of bullshit hipper-than-thou snobbery?
I always thought it was to prevent creating a referral portal to Metafilter.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 1:43 PM on October 15, 2008
I always thought it was to prevent creating a referral portal to Metafilter.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 1:43 PM on October 15, 2008
Naw, with the new model Cylons you just upload the memories into a new unit. Saves loads of time.
I really wish they would scrap the Cylon Dion model.
posted by malocchio at 1:43 PM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
I really wish they would scrap the Cylon Dion model.
posted by malocchio at 1:43 PM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Listen, and understand. Madonna is out there. She can't be bargained with. She can't be reasoned with. She doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead, and quite a while after that.
posted by Artw at 1:48 PM on October 15, 2008 [5 favorites]
posted by Artw at 1:48 PM on October 15, 2008 [5 favorites]
Like it or not, Madonna is an icon.
So it might be interesting to know how her divorce is playing on her iconic status.
How it can contribute to our understanding of our times.
That's what icons are for.
Nobody seeming to have any insight, it will have to wait.
Meanwhile, good call, cortex.
posted by bru at 1:54 PM on October 15, 2008
So it might be interesting to know how her divorce is playing on her iconic status.
How it can contribute to our understanding of our times.
That's what icons are for.
Nobody seeming to have any insight, it will have to wait.
Meanwhile, good call, cortex.
posted by bru at 1:54 PM on October 15, 2008
Like it or not, Madonna is an icon.
Wow, yeah you're right.
Or wait, did you mean icon in the sense of a religious painting? Because that's a completely different Madonna.
posted by burnmp3s at 2:16 PM on October 15, 2008
Wow, yeah you're right.
Or wait, did you mean icon in the sense of a religious painting? Because that's a completely different Madonna.
posted by burnmp3s at 2:16 PM on October 15, 2008
The Hef /Girls Next Door break-up is a lot more intriguing, IMO. Low sperm count (who would have guessed that an 82 year old man might not be up to fathering another child?), skype internet jock sex, nineteen year-old twins with criminal backgrounds and a freaky new illusionist suitor for Holly. What's not to like?
posted by misha at 2:19 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by misha at 2:19 PM on October 15, 2008
I hope they kept the receipts for all those African kids so they can figure out who owns what.
posted by turgid dahlia at 2:46 PM on October 15, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by turgid dahlia at 2:46 PM on October 15, 2008 [3 favorites]
I hope they kept the receipts for all those African kids so they can figure out who owns what.
that's why you should always get your brown kids' birth coordinates tattooed on your arm - it's like a barcode of ownership.
posted by UbuRoivas at 2:53 PM on October 15, 2008
that's why you should always get your brown kids' birth coordinates tattooed on your arm - it's like a barcode of ownership.
posted by UbuRoivas at 2:53 PM on October 15, 2008
Threads like this might go better if everyone just typed something like "DILDOS" or some similar Tourettes-like outburst.
Well? Whatcha waitin' for boy?
that's why you should always get your brown kids' birth coordinates tattooed on your arm
All my brown kids come from the same place.
Oh! You mean actual children!
posted by turgid dahlia at 2:56 PM on October 15, 2008
Well? Whatcha waitin' for boy?
that's why you should always get your brown kids' birth coordinates tattooed on your arm
All my brown kids come from the same place.
Oh! You mean actual children!
posted by turgid dahlia at 2:56 PM on October 15, 2008
that's why you should always get your brown kids' birth coordinates tattooed on your arm
Also, some people go for the shoulder.
posted by turgid dahlia at 2:59 PM on October 15, 2008
Also, some people go for the shoulder.
posted by turgid dahlia at 2:59 PM on October 15, 2008
your shoulder is part of your arm, drongo.
YOU ARE ONLY PARTLY CORRECT
Galah.
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:04 PM on October 15, 2008
YOU ARE ONLY PARTLY CORRECT
Galah.
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:04 PM on October 15, 2008
that's why you should always get your brown kids' birth coordinates tattooed on your arm
Also, some people go for the shoulder.
No, UbuRovias had the reference right- it's the arm, like the upper bicep. I don't know what the thing on her back is, but that isn't it.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 3:04 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Also, some people go for the shoulder.
No, UbuRovias had the reference right- it's the arm, like the upper bicep. I don't know what the thing on her back is, but that isn't it.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 3:04 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
Ah, this is a better picture of what Ubu was talking about.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 3:06 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 3:06 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
ThePinkSuperhero: Oh holy shit! I actually didn't know anything about that! I was just thinking "vacuous celebrities", "tattoos" and "starving African children" and it all kinda came together naturally.
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:08 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:08 PM on October 15, 2008
Oh you think you're so smart.
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:14 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:14 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
I think it's clear that turgid dahlia is actually just a viral advertisment for an upcoming episode of Fringe predicated on latent psychic connections with celebrity tattoo artists. (Look for the words "MEL'S INK HUT" floating in giant CGI balloon letters.)
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:17 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:17 PM on October 15, 2008
Actually we were dropping hints about Mel's Ink Hut way back in season 2 of Lost. Try and keep up.
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:32 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:32 PM on October 15, 2008
Oh holy shit! I actually didn't know anything about that!
Oh some good came out of my evil then...
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 3:58 PM on October 15, 2008
Oh some good came out of my evil then...
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 3:58 PM on October 15, 2008
The problem is that people here tend to mistake the two.
No, the point is that people still seek black-and-white rules when Matt and the admins have made it abundantly and explicitly clear over the years that they wish to restrict the Metafilter Rulebook to the absolute minimum, because (among other things) we're all adults here.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:04 PM on October 15, 2008
No, the point is that people still seek black-and-white rules when Matt and the admins have made it abundantly and explicitly clear over the years that they wish to restrict the Metafilter Rulebook to the absolute minimum, because (among other things) we're all adults here.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:04 PM on October 15, 2008
Hey, the Kabbalah totally tried to warn her, but she was all like "no, whatever Kabbalah, he's soooo talented and we'll be happy forever I just know it" and so Kabbalah just gave up and ordered another drink instead.
posted by cortex (staff) at 4:09 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by cortex (staff) at 4:09 PM on October 15, 2008
Oh so now I can make my move on Guy!
May I suggest a knee-bar while passing his half-guard.
posted by tkchrist at 4:21 PM on October 15, 2008
May I suggest a knee-bar while passing his half-guard.
posted by tkchrist at 4:21 PM on October 15, 2008
The Hef /Girls Next Door break-up is a lot more intriguing, IMO. Low sperm count (who would have guessed that an 82 year old man might not be up to fathering another child?), skype internet jock sex, nineteen year-old twins with criminal backgrounds and a freaky new illusionist suitor for Holly. What's not to like?
It's obvious we live on two totally different planets. With one pre-star gas giant in between them.
posted by tkchrist at 4:24 PM on October 15, 2008
It's obvious we live on two totally different planets. With one pre-star gas giant in between them.
posted by tkchrist at 4:24 PM on October 15, 2008
Deleting Madonna, from the mefi front page
Cortex deleted her but not in a rage
Who finds the links when you make the post
Did you think that FPP would not be toast?
Meta thread arrives without a purpose
Mefiosi start to carp and bark
thankfully there hasn't been a flameout
See how they snark....
posted by jonmc at 7:11 PM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Cortex deleted her but not in a rage
Who finds the links when you make the post
Did you think that FPP would not be toast?
Meta thread arrives without a purpose
Mefiosi start to carp and bark
thankfully there hasn't been a flameout
See how they snark....
posted by jonmc at 7:11 PM on October 15, 2008 [2 favorites]
Nice parody, jonmc.
And tkchrist, you're a delightful snob. Me, I can love Mefi and yet still remember lowbrow fondly.
posted by misha at 7:17 PM on October 15, 2008
And tkchrist, you're a delightful snob. Me, I can love Mefi and yet still remember lowbrow fondly.
posted by misha at 7:17 PM on October 15, 2008
Really, how many people didn't know that Madonna wasn't on the list?
posted by pompomtom at 8:05 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by pompomtom at 8:05 PM on October 15, 2008
ah, jonmc: i yelled out "jonmc says hello!" but patti & lenny either pretended not to hear me or else they pretended not to know you.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:45 PM on October 15, 2008
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:45 PM on October 15, 2008
if making a post that consists of links to music videos on youtube is "valid for metafilter", then celebrity gossip is fair game, imo.
No, wrong.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:54 PM on October 15, 2008
No, wrong.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:54 PM on October 15, 2008
I can't believe I just googled madonna's daughter's eyebrows. Thanks mefi.
posted by Surfurrus at 9:01 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by Surfurrus at 9:01 PM on October 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
me too, Surfurrus! ack. Wotta travesty!
That Frida Kahlo wench, too - what was she thinking?
aaaaaaaaaaah, better!
posted by taz at 4:53 AM on October 16, 2008
That Frida Kahlo wench, too - what was she thinking?
aaaaaaaaaaah, better!
posted by taz at 4:53 AM on October 16, 2008
Ubu: Patti used to work at the same place I do now, so maybe you should've yelled out my boss's name.
posted by jonmc at 5:00 AM on October 16, 2008
posted by jonmc at 5:00 AM on October 16, 2008
Madonna is the new Liz Taylor.
Meaning, she's had more divorces than I've had hot meals.
She divorces more before 7am than most people do all day.
She was getting divorced when I was merely a twinkle in my father's eye.
Etc.
posted by Dr-Baa at 7:21 AM on October 16, 2008
Meaning, she's had more divorces than I've had hot meals.
She divorces more before 7am than most people do all day.
She was getting divorced when I was merely a twinkle in my father's eye.
Etc.
posted by Dr-Baa at 7:21 AM on October 16, 2008
I met Madonna once. She was short. And very pretty in person. I was pretty sure she was not robotic, but she was wearing a baseball uniform, which tends to cover one's non-human parts.
posted by SuperSquirrel at 7:28 AM on October 16, 2008
posted by SuperSquirrel at 7:28 AM on October 16, 2008
Popbitch coverage is disapointingly bland:
>> The Sun goes down on Madge & Guy <> How to really read the tabloids, pt 183
"Madonna and Guy to split" stories have been all
over the media, not least here, for ages. So why
was yesterday's Sun front page about it reported
everywhere - including the BBC - as if it was
as good as an official comment? Well, the media
knows that Madonna's mouthpieces, Liz
Rosenberg and Barbara Charone, like to use the
tabloid when they want a hotline straight
to the public. Even the "exclusive" denials of
the divorce from Guy Ritchie to Gordon Smart in
the paper not long ago were likely to have been
stage-managed by her people. Keep reading The Sun
to see how Madonna tells her side of the story.
(p.s. Guy - a famous lawyer tells us that you
are "worth more than she is currently spinning"
so email us if you want his number).
posted by Artw at 8:30 AM on October 16, 2008
>> The Sun goes down on Madge & Guy <> How to really read the tabloids, pt 183
"Madonna and Guy to split" stories have been all
over the media, not least here, for ages. So why
was yesterday's Sun front page about it reported
everywhere - including the BBC - as if it was
as good as an official comment? Well, the media
knows that Madonna's mouthpieces, Liz
Rosenberg and Barbara Charone, like to use the
tabloid when they want a hotline straight
to the public. Even the "exclusive" denials of
the divorce from Guy Ritchie to Gordon Smart in
the paper not long ago were likely to have been
stage-managed by her people. Keep reading The Sun
to see how Madonna tells her side of the story.
(p.s. Guy - a famous lawyer tells us that you
are "worth more than she is currently spinning"
so email us if you want his number).
posted by Artw at 8:30 AM on October 16, 2008
What I'm going to be interested in is the point on the graph where Madonna starts looking less like a baseline human than Cher does. It seems to be approaching fast.
posted by Artw at 8:32 AM on October 16, 2008
posted by Artw at 8:32 AM on October 16, 2008
Madonna is the new Liz Taylor.
Madonna is the new zsa zsa gabor.
* hides from wrath of madonna fans *
posted by sgt.serenity at 9:06 AM on October 16, 2008
Madonna is the new zsa zsa gabor.
* hides from wrath of madonna fans *
posted by sgt.serenity at 9:06 AM on October 16, 2008
No, Zsa Zsa's public outbursts were vastly entertaining. And she had better taste in men.
posted by The Whelk at 9:37 AM on October 16, 2008
posted by The Whelk at 9:37 AM on October 16, 2008
I met Madonna once. She was short. And very pretty in person. I was pretty sure she was not robotic, but she was wearing a baseball uniform, which tends to cover one's non-human parts.
A lot of people mistake seeing A League of Their Own with meeting Madonna. She's not really that short, she just, like everybody else, looks short next to Gina Davis.
posted by shmegegge at 10:26 AM on October 16, 2008
A lot of people mistake seeing A League of Their Own with meeting Madonna. She's not really that short, she just, like everybody else, looks short next to Gina Davis.
posted by shmegegge at 10:26 AM on October 16, 2008
Y'know, I was never a big fan of Madonna's music (although "Beautiful Stranger" was a terriffic single) and sometimes she can be embarassing (the whole faux-Brit accent thing), but I've always thought she'd be an interesting person to spend an evening listening to music and discusing the world with.
posted by jonmc at 11:21 AM on October 16, 2008
posted by jonmc at 11:21 AM on October 16, 2008
Madonna is the new Liz Taylor.
Madonna is the new zsa zsa gabor.
funny, when I saw her wearing that massive belt, I thought she was the new Mr. T.
posted by krautland at 11:30 AM on October 16, 2008
Madonna is the new zsa zsa gabor.
funny, when I saw her wearing that massive belt, I thought she was the new Mr. T.
posted by krautland at 11:30 AM on October 16, 2008
Would that make Sandra Bernhardt the New Murdoch? or something?
posted by jonmc at 11:57 AM on October 16, 2008
posted by jonmc at 11:57 AM on October 16, 2008
I'm thinking the new Murdock is either Dennis Rodman or Vanilla Ice.
posted by box at 12:47 PM on October 16, 2008
posted by box at 12:47 PM on October 16, 2008
A lot of people mistake seeing A League of Their Own with meeting Madonna.
I was an extra - hence the meeting of Madonna.
She's not really that short, she just, like everybody else, looks short next to Gina Davis.
Geena is a tall woman, yes. But I got her beat by half an inch. :-) Everybody looks short from up here.
And the weather is fine too, thanks for asking.
posted by SuperSquirrel at 2:34 PM on October 16, 2008
I was an extra - hence the meeting of Madonna.
She's not really that short, she just, like everybody else, looks short next to Gina Davis.
Geena is a tall woman, yes. But I got her beat by half an inch. :-) Everybody looks short from up here.
And the weather is fine too, thanks for asking.
posted by SuperSquirrel at 2:34 PM on October 16, 2008
That I think America's Next Top Model and Project Runway are entertaining as all hell is not a reason to post their main sites...
Heh.
posted by Artw at 5:32 PM on October 16, 2008
Heh.
posted by Artw at 5:32 PM on October 16, 2008
Yeah, see, that feels like a weak update/newsfilter post, mostly because of the focus on the main site. The actual Fashionweek site is the interesting part for me, and I wish there was more there (plus highlighting of other designers who showed for the first time, but who weren't on PR).
But, y'know, since it's a matter of degrees and I don't really care, I wouldn't delete that post (were I a mod). Also, because I've been unnecessarily jerkish to you in the past, and lobbying to have something deleted that I don't have strong feelings about would feel like, I dunno, too much of an asshole move.
posted by klangklangston at 5:51 PM on October 16, 2008
But, y'know, since it's a matter of degrees and I don't really care, I wouldn't delete that post (were I a mod). Also, because I've been unnecessarily jerkish to you in the past, and lobbying to have something deleted that I don't have strong feelings about would feel like, I dunno, too much of an asshole move.
posted by klangklangston at 5:51 PM on October 16, 2008
Interetsing point there re: the link to the main site, because it's really not the meat of the post.
posted by Artw at 5:57 PM on October 16, 2008
posted by Artw at 5:57 PM on October 16, 2008
Though of course a propper deletion canvaser would be all upset that the real meat of the post was a youtube post, in propper "aiie, it links to wikipedia/google/common site of some kind" fashion.
posted by Artw at 5:59 PM on October 16, 2008
posted by Artw at 5:59 PM on October 16, 2008
"Interetsing point there re: the link to the main site, because it's really not the meat of the post."
Yeah, but because I'm gay for the inverted pyramid, I always read the first link as the most important one unless it's really obvious that another is intended. So, I kinda thought the actual official link to PR was unnecessary or should have been supporting the rest of the content by coming after it. I also realize that people do disagree with me about this, and it's not a big deal.
posted by klangklangston at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2008
Yeah, but because I'm gay for the inverted pyramid, I always read the first link as the most important one unless it's really obvious that another is intended. So, I kinda thought the actual official link to PR was unnecessary or should have been supporting the rest of the content by coming after it. I also realize that people do disagree with me about this, and it's not a big deal.
posted by klangklangston at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2008
Inverted pyramid is neat and all, but I'm not really sure it works at the sub-paragraph level. As soon as I start resorting to weird sentence structures to move a link around I stop (so all my weird sentence structureas are just a result of their own naturalistic weirdness)
anyway...
The Sun sez the moment Madonna fell off that horse, the marriage was doomed!
posted by Artw at 9:12 PM on October 16, 2008
anyway...
The Sun sez the moment Madonna fell off that horse, the marriage was doomed!
posted by Artw at 9:12 PM on October 16, 2008
Yeh, I'm not a big fan of celebrity gossip crap either, but if the post had just stayed, at least we'd know whether it garnered 19 snarky comments or 9,000.
Heck, maybe 120+ comments in the hidden-away MetaTalk thread says something.
posted by rokusan at 6:29 AM on October 17, 2008
Heck, maybe 120+ comments in the hidden-away MetaTalk thread says something.
posted by rokusan at 6:29 AM on October 17, 2008
Heh. Madonna looks like a granny and can't act, according to Ritchie, according to Madonna.
posted by Artw at 8:55 PM on October 18, 2008
posted by Artw at 8:55 PM on October 18, 2008
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