MeFi Auctions July 27, 2009 7:14 PM Subscribe
A dude set up a tiny auction site designed to sell to a small, trusted community. I think something similar would work well for MeFi. (via DF)
I searched old MetaTalks and I didn't see anything discussing an idea for MeFi Auctions before so I'm proposing it myself. The creator talks a little more about it on his blog if you are interested. I just think that an auctions site as well maintained and added to as the rest of MeFi would be great.
I know that this might be a bit of a slog to set up, and to moderate once it's up, so I'm not expecting it anytime soon. Still, I would use it.
I searched old MetaTalks and I didn't see anything discussing an idea for MeFi Auctions before so I'm proposing it myself. The creator talks a little more about it on his blog if you are interested. I just think that an auctions site as well maintained and added to as the rest of MeFi would be great.
I know that this might be a bit of a slog to set up, and to moderate once it's up, so I'm not expecting it anytime soon. Still, I would use it.
MeFi doesn't have to be all things to all people.
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2009 [4 favorites]
Too too much.
posted by From Bklyn at 7:27 PM on July 27, 2009
posted by From Bklyn at 7:27 PM on July 27, 2009
I'm all for it, but only if the three things we're allowed to buy or sell are beans, taters and grilled cheese sandwiches.
posted by iamkimiam at 7:34 PM on July 27, 2009
posted by iamkimiam at 7:34 PM on July 27, 2009
We can't even agree that a plate of beans is, in fact, a plate of beans, let alone agree on what it might be worth.
"I ordered a plate of beans from philip-random and received, after several days, approximately 50 beans of average to poor quality. Despite the description, NO PLATE WAS INCLUDED - when I sent a completely appropriate and civil inquiry regarding the missing plate, I was rudely informed that a 'plate' was a unit of measurement, and that I was at fault for assuming that I would get an actual plate with my order of beans.
F-F-F-F-F-F- WOULD NOT ORDER BEANS FROM THIS USER EVER AGAIN
Also, I am going to sue your ass off, 'Thowie."
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 7:37 PM on July 27, 2009 [10 favorites]
"I ordered a plate of beans from philip-random and received, after several days, approximately 50 beans of average to poor quality. Despite the description, NO PLATE WAS INCLUDED - when I sent a completely appropriate and civil inquiry regarding the missing plate, I was rudely informed that a 'plate' was a unit of measurement, and that I was at fault for assuming that I would get an actual plate with my order of beans.
F-F-F-F-F-F- WOULD NOT ORDER BEANS FROM THIS USER EVER AGAIN
Also, I am going to sue your ass off, 'Thowie."
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 7:37 PM on July 27, 2009 [10 favorites]
One person's junk is another person's snark. I'm thinking Craigslist with Comments. Brilliant.
posted by carsonb at 7:41 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by carsonb at 7:41 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
I am thinking of a MetaFilter commune / psychedellic drug distribution business. I am pretty sure I can get jessamyn on board, not sure where matt or josh stand on it.
posted by Meatbomb at 8:04 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Meatbomb at 8:04 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
I don't see why an auction is any different than a classified add site, or a swap site, or whatever.
The mechanics of online trading were discussed here pretty thoroughly. In another post, OpenID was suggested, so that users could create subsites for themselves. Not that you need an OpenID like system, MetaChat/MonkeyFilter/SportsFilter all appear to do fine without it.
posted by Chuckles at 8:16 PM on July 27, 2009
The mechanics of online trading were discussed here pretty thoroughly. In another post, OpenID was suggested, so that users could create subsites for themselves. Not that you need an OpenID like system, MetaChat/MonkeyFilter/SportsFilter all appear to do fine without it.
posted by Chuckles at 8:16 PM on July 27, 2009
Meanwhile, jobs isn't even working that well for me...
posted by Chuckles at 8:17 PM on July 27, 2009
posted by Chuckles at 8:17 PM on July 27, 2009
MeBay!
posted by nickyskye at 8:24 PM on July 27, 2009 [8 favorites]
posted by nickyskye at 8:24 PM on July 27, 2009 [8 favorites]
MeSued j/k
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:31 PM on July 27, 2009
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:31 PM on July 27, 2009
Why won't anyone buy my popcorn? I've put it into little snap-lock bags and everything!
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 8:36 PM on July 27, 2009 [12 favorites]
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 8:36 PM on July 27, 2009 [12 favorites]
If they're not coming out of a car trunk, Fiasco, I don't want it.
posted by deborah at 8:41 PM on July 27, 2009
posted by deborah at 8:41 PM on July 27, 2009
I can't imagine that the hassle will be worth the effort required for Matt, pb and the mods. A flame out is hard enough to deal with just imagine what a flame out with money on the line would be like.
Are you imaging a cement truck full of shit dumping its content into a lake of piss, tears and bleeding puppies? Kind of like that except worse and involving volcano of vomit, bile and the death of all human happiness.
posted by Kattullus at 8:51 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Are you imaging a cement truck full of shit dumping its content into a lake of piss, tears and bleeding puppies? Kind of like that except worse and involving volcano of vomit, bile and the death of all human happiness.
posted by Kattullus at 8:51 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Can't we just leave money out of this?
That is not the first time I've said that.
posted by JaredSeth at 9:00 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
That is not the first time I've said that.
posted by JaredSeth at 9:00 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Can't we just leave money out of this?
Hey, if you'd like to be my Ameri-friend sans money, I'm happy with that too! You can even pay for the shipping, just to demonstrate your utter disdain for currency as a medium of exchange.
posted by Chuckles at 9:06 PM on July 27, 2009
Hey, if you'd like to be my Ameri-friend sans money, I'm happy with that too! You can even pay for the shipping, just to demonstrate your utter disdain for currency as a medium of exchange.
posted by Chuckles at 9:06 PM on July 27, 2009
Probably not something we're going to spend much time looking into. There are all kinds of neat problems with bolting an explicit, generalized marketplace onto a community, and so far we've only flirted with edge cases (like the Mefi Christmas Store stuff in the last couple years).
It'd be interesting, certainly, but it looks like a really far thing from a slamdunk in practice so I would advise against holding your breath, basically.
Apparently, on the same piece of paper, I also wrote down "MUSICAL COLLECTIVE -- ODD INSTRUMENTS."
I feel so close to you right now.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:18 PM on July 27, 2009
It'd be interesting, certainly, but it looks like a really far thing from a slamdunk in practice so I would advise against holding your breath, basically.
Apparently, on the same piece of paper, I also wrote down "MUSICAL COLLECTIVE -- ODD INSTRUMENTS."
I feel so close to you right now.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:18 PM on July 27, 2009
"I searched old MetaTalks"
The correct pluralization is "MetasTalk."
posted by Eideteker at 9:30 PM on July 27, 2009 [6 favorites]
The correct pluralization is "MetasTalk."
posted by Eideteker at 9:30 PM on July 27, 2009 [6 favorites]
I would advise against holding your breath, basically.
As your lawyer, I advise you to hold your breath, and liveblog the experience. Book deal, motion picture... sky's the limit.
posted by Eideteker at 9:32 PM on July 27, 2009
As your lawyer, I advise you to hold your breath, and liveblog the experience. Book deal, motion picture... sky's the limit.
posted by Eideteker at 9:32 PM on July 27, 2009
I sort of wish sixcolors was still here. Finally I could sample some of that fine bbq she was hocking out of the trunk of her car. Or was it cookies out of a plastic bag in an alley behind a frat house? I never can remember...
posted by whoaali at 10:32 PM on July 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by whoaali at 10:32 PM on July 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
MetasTalk
No, that's done by compulsively checking someone's posting history. The correct pluralisation is of MetaTalk is "MetaTalken".
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 10:40 PM on July 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
No, that's done by compulsively checking someone's posting history. The correct pluralisation is of MetaTalk is "MetaTalken".
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 10:40 PM on July 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
Chocolate Pickle: MeFi doesn't have to be all things to all people.
My friend, Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay didn't spend years reconnoitering, studying and training to climb Mount Everest because they had to.
posted by koeselitz at 11:10 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
My friend, Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay didn't spend years reconnoitering, studying and training to climb Mount Everest because they had to.
posted by koeselitz at 11:10 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Metafilter, you're doing it wrong.
posted by eyeballkid at 11:41 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by eyeballkid at 11:41 PM on July 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
It might be more feasible to just combine all of the subsite pony requests into one large megapony. How could there not be room for a market-gig-dating-auction-meetup-productreview super subsite? We could finally have a devoted place for members to advertise special services, offer and bid on private access meetups, and rate prostitutes!
posted by TwelveTwo at 12:06 AM on July 28, 2009
posted by TwelveTwo at 12:06 AM on July 28, 2009
I think a gambling/obit sub-site would be the real winner here.
posted by YoBananaBoy at 12:26 AM on July 28, 2009
posted by YoBananaBoy at 12:26 AM on July 28, 2009
It might be more feasible to just combine all of the subsite pony requests into one large megapony.
AKA Pony Force Voltron
posted by Dr Dracator at 2:58 AM on July 28, 2009 [3 favorites]
AKA Pony Force Voltron
posted by Dr Dracator at 2:58 AM on July 28, 2009 [3 favorites]
OpenID has to be one of the most disappointing technologies of the past few years... And if I don't completely understand it without pulling up their FAQ, how is Aunt Millie in Idaho going to feel about it?
It's getting simpler for end-users -- you can now just put up a 'Log in using your Yahoo! account' button and have the software handle all the negotiation. I agree, though, the experience is still pretty alien-feeling.
Assuming that we don't get OpenID on MetaFilter, though, it's still possible for a third-party to do identity checking. For instance, I made an anonymous Valentine's site for MetaChat that confirmed users' identities by asking them to put a random code into their MetaChat profile.
Ooh yes, let's make mefi even more US-centric.
No reason this has to be restricted to the USA.
posted by chrismear at 3:09 AM on July 28, 2009
It's getting simpler for end-users -- you can now just put up a 'Log in using your Yahoo! account' button and have the software handle all the negotiation. I agree, though, the experience is still pretty alien-feeling.
Assuming that we don't get OpenID on MetaFilter, though, it's still possible for a third-party to do identity checking. For instance, I made an anonymous Valentine's site for MetaChat that confirmed users' identities by asking them to put a random code into their MetaChat profile.
Ooh yes, let's make mefi even more US-centric.
No reason this has to be restricted to the USA.
posted by chrismear at 3:09 AM on July 28, 2009
Is there anyway we can enhance this by massively over-engineering it with software? Because unless we can architect some OpenID/JavaBeans/Silverlight/gears/AJAX/Ruby hybrid it just won't be appealing.
posted by bystander at 5:12 AM on July 28, 2009
posted by bystander at 5:12 AM on July 28, 2009
EBay works because it features every kind of item you can think of and a worldwide pool of buyers. Craigslist works for larger items and in person services because it's localized. Etsy works because it's niche and operates on a carefully defined mandate.
MeBay would involve limited items and a limited pool of buyers both internationally and locally, would not be special purpose like Etsy, and what other qualities would it have that would compensate for the limitations? I suppose the idea is that, because we're an established community, the interactions are less risky, but I don't think that necessarily follows. I'd rather sell or buy in a larger arena, and rely either on the person's history of good feedback or an in-person evaluation.
posted by orange swan at 5:16 AM on July 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
MeBay would involve limited items and a limited pool of buyers both internationally and locally, would not be special purpose like Etsy, and what other qualities would it have that would compensate for the limitations? I suppose the idea is that, because we're an established community, the interactions are less risky, but I don't think that necessarily follows. I'd rather sell or buy in a larger arena, and rely either on the person's history of good feedback or an in-person evaluation.
posted by orange swan at 5:16 AM on July 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
I'm not saying I'm categorically against any kind of MeFi sales or classified ad section ever, but I think we need to come up with a structure or concept for it that really works for this community and offers kind of service that is not currently available elsewhere before it's worth doing.
posted by orange swan at 5:22 AM on July 28, 2009
posted by orange swan at 5:22 AM on July 28, 2009
Speaking of mefi commerce, I got my shirt today - Thanks.
posted by bystander at 5:27 AM on July 28, 2009
posted by bystander at 5:27 AM on July 28, 2009
Please buy my papercraft pony and jewellery made from old bits of RAM.
posted by fire&wings at 5:37 AM on July 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by fire&wings at 5:37 AM on July 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
I'm all for it, but only if the three things we're allowed to buy or sell are beans, taters and grilled cheese sandwiches.
What, no mushrooms?
posted by terrapin at 5:39 AM on July 28, 2009
What, no mushrooms?
posted by terrapin at 5:39 AM on July 28, 2009
What about an escort service?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:57 AM on July 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:57 AM on July 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
designed to sell to a small, trusted community. I think something similar would work well for MeFi
before you go tinkering with a community it probably pays to spend a bit more time in it. This is a terrible idea. Once you start throwing money on the table everything changes.
posted by caddis at 5:58 AM on July 28, 2009
before you go tinkering with a community it probably pays to spend a bit more time in it. This is a terrible idea. Once you start throwing money on the table everything changes.
posted by caddis at 5:58 AM on July 28, 2009
Hey, here is a great meta description tag for the new site:
MetaFilter: Bid on Private Access Meetups, and Rate Prostitutes!
posted by Mister_A at 6:32 AM on July 28, 2009
MetaFilter: Bid on Private Access Meetups, and Rate Prostitutes!
posted by Mister_A at 6:32 AM on July 28, 2009
Hahaha, wow. I expected that some of you guys would think that this was pointless, and I can understand their point, but I didn't expect that anyone would think that it would ruin the community forever. I guess Metafilter is a house of cards waiting to topple over at any second.
Anyway, commence argument for MeFi Auctions that I probably should have brought up in the first place! Conceder the fact that people buying things on eBay are generally looking for a specific thing in a big pool of stuff. A seller aren't likely to get noticed by people who aren't looking specifically for what you are selling, not necessarily a bad thing but roll with me. A hypothetical Mefi auction site would feature a bit more serendipity. A buyer could find something that they never have thought to look for, the same way MiFi brings up subjects that you never thought you would be interested in.
I site like this is certainly not essential, but it would be cool.
posted by The Devil Tesla at 7:00 AM on July 28, 2009
Anyway, commence argument for MeFi Auctions that I probably should have brought up in the first place! Conceder the fact that people buying things on eBay are generally looking for a specific thing in a big pool of stuff. A seller aren't likely to get noticed by people who aren't looking specifically for what you are selling, not necessarily a bad thing but roll with me. A hypothetical Mefi auction site would feature a bit more serendipity. A buyer could find something that they never have thought to look for, the same way MiFi brings up subjects that you never thought you would be interested in.
I site like this is certainly not essential, but it would be cool.
posted by The Devil Tesla at 7:00 AM on July 28, 2009
carsonb: One person's junk is another person's snark. I'm thinking Craigslist with Comments. Brilliant.
Mmm, yeah, snark my junk. Snark it good.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:07 AM on July 28, 2009
Mmm, yeah, snark my junk. Snark it good.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:07 AM on July 28, 2009
To be fair, a Mefi Auction site probably could work in one form or another, but mapping out the details and being responsible for it is a whole 'nother level beyond "this would be cool, someone else should build it".
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:17 AM on July 28, 2009
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:17 AM on July 28, 2009
To be fair, a Mefi Auction site probably could work in one form or another, but mapping out the details and being responsible for it is a whole 'nother level beyond "this would be cool, someone else should build it".
It's not like I said it would be trivial to implement (in fact I said the opposite). I merely wanted to express my interest, that's all.
posted by The Devil Tesla at 7:35 AM on July 28, 2009
It's not like I said it would be trivial to implement (in fact I said the opposite). I merely wanted to express my interest, that's all.
posted by The Devil Tesla at 7:35 AM on July 28, 2009
You're obviously unaware that Metafilter LLC holds a controlling interest in HyperGlobalMega Ventures, who in turn is the major shareholder in LittleFluffyBunnies Corp, sole owners and operators of one eBay.com.
Do some research, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!
posted by blue_beetle at 7:59 AM on July 28, 2009
Do some research, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!
posted by blue_beetle at 7:59 AM on July 28, 2009
A hypothetical Mefi auction site would feature a bit more serendipity. A buyer could find something that they never have thought to look for, the same way MiFi brings up subjects that you never thought you would be interested in.
I am in the process of making an exciting line of camera phones, and this is your opportunity to be in on the ground floor of an exciting trend! Up next: coffee grinding citrus juicers! Who knows what wackiness I'll think of next?
posted by filthy light thief at 8:42 AM on July 28, 2009
I am in the process of making an exciting line of camera phones, and this is your opportunity to be in on the ground floor of an exciting trend! Up next: coffee grinding citrus juicers! Who knows what wackiness I'll think of next?
posted by filthy light thief at 8:42 AM on July 28, 2009
The correct pluralization is "MetasTalk."
With all these potential subsites, I'm more inclined to say it's The correct pluralization is "metastasizing"
posted by dash_slot- at 9:23 AM on July 28, 2009
With all these potential subsites, I'm more inclined to say it's The correct pluralization is "metastasizing"
posted by dash_slot- at 9:23 AM on July 28, 2009
Can't we just leave money out of this?
Twenty bucks, same as in town.
posted by loquacious at 9:50 AM on July 28, 2009
Twenty bucks, same as in town.
posted by loquacious at 9:50 AM on July 28, 2009
We could make a Meta TBSAIT site, where everything was priced at $20.
See loquacious beat me to it, damnit.
posted by misha at 10:05 AM on July 28, 2009
See loquacious beat me to it, damnit.
posted by misha at 10:05 AM on July 28, 2009
I think a gambling/obit sub-site would be the real winner here.
Metapony: WIN DIE OR DATE!
posted by The Whelk at 10:37 AM on July 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
Metapony: WIN DIE OR DATE!
posted by The Whelk at 10:37 AM on July 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
So wait, MeFi is selling cases of Edge now?
You cabal-tastic buncha cards! I can't ever keep up with your jive talk.
posted by everichon at 12:12 PM on July 28, 2009
You cabal-tastic buncha cards! I can't ever keep up with your jive talk.
posted by everichon at 12:12 PM on July 28, 2009
A hypothetical Mefi auction site would feature a bit more serendipity. A buyer could find something that they never have thought to look for, the same way MiFi brings up subjects that you never thought you would be interested in.
Send me some money, and I'll give you something you never thought to look for.
More helpfully, it seems like you might enjoy Etsy.
posted by box at 12:40 PM on July 28, 2009
Send me some money, and I'll give you something you never thought to look for.
More helpfully, it seems like you might enjoy Etsy.
posted by box at 12:40 PM on July 28, 2009
What I would like is a MeFi API that would allow people to create their own MeFi-members only site. I thought of an idea for a site the other day, one that I'd like to make available to MeFi members only. I wish there was a way I could make it and let people log into my site with their MeFi usernames and passwords.
If such a system existed, someone who wanted this could make their own MeFi auction site, open to MeFi members but not an official part of Metafilter.
posted by grumblebee at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2009
If such a system existed, someone who wanted this could make their own MeFi auction site, open to MeFi members but not an official part of Metafilter.
posted by grumblebee at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2009
In theory, this is a great idea-- it's a very clever notion-- ... but I wouldn't want to actually see it implemented.
To me, Money and MeFi are two great tastes that would taste god-awful together.
YMMV.
posted by darth_tedious at 9:28 PM on July 28, 2009
To me, Money and MeFi are two great tastes that would taste god-awful together.
YMMV.
posted by darth_tedious at 9:28 PM on July 28, 2009
To me, Money and MeFi are two great tastes that would taste god-awful together.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you, or are you not, a $5 noob?
posted by Chuckles at 10:22 PM on July 28, 2009
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you, or are you not, a $5 noob?
posted by Chuckles at 10:22 PM on July 28, 2009
Please, attack away! I'd really like to understand why people have these strange ideas about MetaFilter and money being bad for each other. MetaFilter is already, and very plainly, about money. Perhaps you could pick holes in my reasoning?!?!
Too much of a hassle, not a good enough chance for success, MetaFilter is good enough like it is.. Those are perfectly sensible reasons not to implement an idea. MetaFilter and money don't mix though.. That is both false, and hopelessly naive.
posted by Chuckles at 10:53 PM on July 28, 2009
Too much of a hassle, not a good enough chance for success, MetaFilter is good enough like it is.. Those are perfectly sensible reasons not to implement an idea. MetaFilter and money don't mix though.. That is both false, and hopelessly naive.
posted by Chuckles at 10:53 PM on July 28, 2009
Metafilter is a great community as evidenced by the awesome 10th meeup parties held all over the world. But it only costs $5 to join. Might seem like a lot to some people but apparently there were/are a significant number of cash giving scammers who try to lure people to their scam via askme. I honestly don't think it would take long for some scammed to figure out ways to exploit a Metafilter auction/swap site.
posted by silkygreenbelly at 12:30 AM on July 29, 2009
posted by silkygreenbelly at 12:30 AM on July 29, 2009
Can we auction off accumulated favorites? Like carbon credits.
Also: bacon.
posted by fourcheesemac at 9:43 AM on July 29, 2009
Also: bacon.
posted by fourcheesemac at 9:43 AM on July 29, 2009
Chuckles: MetaFilter is already, and very plainly, about money. Perhaps you could pick holes in my reasoning?!?!
You're reasoning seems to be that Metafilter exists for the entrance fee, which I'd argue is entirely missing the point. The fee exists as a filter, to keep the total fuckward population to a minimum. They could have asked for a hand-written haiku sent to PO Box 123 to gain an account instead, the effect would be the same.
posted by Static Vagabond at 10:33 AM on July 29, 2009
You're reasoning seems to be that Metafilter exists for the entrance fee, which I'd argue is entirely missing the point. The fee exists as a filter, to keep the total fuckward population to a minimum. They could have asked for a hand-written haiku sent to PO Box 123 to gain an account instead, the effect would be the same.
posted by Static Vagabond at 10:33 AM on July 29, 2009
Shitcock.
posted by Pollomacho at 12:01 PM on July 29, 2009
posted by Pollomacho at 12:01 PM on July 29, 2009
Additionally - some of us didn't even pay to get in here.
posted by Julnyes at 1:32 PM on July 29, 2009
posted by Julnyes at 1:32 PM on July 29, 2009
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posted by philip-random at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2009 [2 favorites]