Got my goatse?

April 24, 2010 8:19 AM

Maybe this site is in poor taste, but I really hope Mefites aren't responsible for uploading NSFW gross images to it.

But unfortunately it looks like we might be the culprits. Haha, yeah, goatse, we've all seen it before....do we really need to see it again? I know the site was poorly built if it has no moderation, but I really hope we aren't doing the griefing here.

posted by melissam to Etiquette/Policy at 8:19 AM (198 comments total)

I guess we could at least mark the post NSFW now...
posted by melissam at 8:20 AM on April 24, 2010

Damn That Goatse.
posted by gman at 8:21 AM on April 24, 2010

The worst part is I sent the link to my MOM before the goatse incursion. FAIL.
posted by melissam at 8:23 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Posting goatse is a total /b/ move. I would have hoped that mefites would be more creative when griefing.
posted by Dr-Baa at 8:23 AM on April 24, 2010

Yeah, the site sucks. It'll be nice when they check their logs and see this thread. Way to go, MeFi.
posted by fixedgear at 8:24 AM on April 24, 2010

Ugh. I don't know if that was Damn That Television following through or someone elsewhere running with or independently developing the idea, but, yes: not cool. Not something I have any interest in seeing people doing on behalf of metafilter. If you think a website is shitty, let that website be shitty and leave it at that.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:24 AM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

Yeah, this is a really, really bad line to cross. We shouldn't need to add warnings to posts because of the lulzy things that Mefites did after things got posted to Metafilter.
posted by roll truck roll at 8:27 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

(I guess my prior comment might read as condoning griefing like this. I'd just like to clarify that I do not. I find it irritating and passive aggressive.)
posted by Dr-Baa at 8:28 AM on April 24, 2010

What a horrendous, disgusting site to send to one's mother. With or without goatse.
posted by koeselitz at 8:28 AM on April 24, 2010

(Not that that excuses DTT's silliness - honestly, we shouldn't do anything like that, and the last think we should do is talk about it here, for heaven's sake.)
posted by koeselitz at 8:30 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

yes: not cool. Not something I have any interest in seeing people doing on behalf of metafilter.

If I were to read something linked here that pissed me off, I'd be pissed off all for myself, not on metafilter's behalf.

I imagine whoever's posting those images feels much the same way.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 8:31 AM on April 24, 2010 [3 favorites]

Stay classy, metafilter.
posted by fuq at 8:34 AM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

Wait. Is anyone actually posting goatse to that sleazy public shaming site? Or do we just have an angry comment there to the effect that someone might? It seems like we're sort of jumping to conclusions.

Damn That Television just went over the line in expressing frustration. I see no reason to assume that it went beyond that at all. And it's good for us all to affirm that we wouldn't do something like posting griefer goatse (what is this, 1998?) but the question is more academic right now, right? The unfortunate thing is endorsing such stuff in a comment. Which, again, was done in a (pretty justified) moment of anger, I think.
posted by koeselitz at 8:36 AM on April 24, 2010

Man, goatse ruins everything it doesn't make better.

Wait. Is anyone actually posting goatse to that sleazy public shaming site?

They were. They were deleted.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:37 AM on April 24, 2010

Oh no koeselitz, there were some gaping assholes on that site, and I don't mean the people who post the 'violations' of the site founder. I mean real gaping assholes. They dissipated quickly, which confirms my suspicions that the site maintainer has no life and nothing to do.
posted by fuq at 8:38 AM on April 24, 2010

koeselitz, the images did start getting posted just after Damn That Television said that. I suppose it's possible that someone else saw the comment and decided to run with it. But either way, yuck.
posted by roll truck roll at 8:39 AM on April 24, 2010

They removed the goatse.
posted by delmoi at 8:39 AM on April 24, 2010

Ah. That's another matter entirely, then.
posted by koeselitz at 8:40 AM on April 24, 2010

Christ, what an asshole!
posted by gman at 8:40 AM on April 24, 2010 [6 favorites]

The owner of that site must be busier than a one armed paperhanger right now. It's whack a mole all the way. The goatse images were there, and are now gone.
posted by fixedgear at 8:41 AM on April 24, 2010

You know what, maybe the post should just go. That website is so far from best-of-the-web, and pretty far from interesting, that I think it would be better if metafilter didn't send them any more traffic or trouble.
posted by fuq at 8:42 AM on April 24, 2010 [3 favorites]

Is this the right place to request the reinstatement of the IMG tag?
posted by mazola at 8:43 AM on April 24, 2010 [4 favorites]

Yeah, I flagged it, fuq. Not the greatest post to begin with. If I wasn't such a cheapskate I'd pony up five bucks for a Grant Gold
posted by fixedgear at 8:46 AM on April 24, 2010

Sock puppet account.
posted by fixedgear at 8:46 AM on April 24, 2010

Yeah, I think it should be deleted. It takes the issue out of the public eye. Sure, the site maintainer over at Violation Report might get pissed off when she or he sees the server logs, but if she or he clicks over and sees a deleted thread with one much-deprecated griefer comment in it, she or he will know that we did the best we could to contain it.
posted by koeselitz at 8:48 AM on April 24, 2010

I deleted that comment. Damn That Television seems to be on a jerkish roll lately and that needs to stop.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:49 AM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

If I were to read something linked here that pissed me off, I'd be pissed off all for myself, not on metafilter's behalf.

And if you went off and made a mess somewhere for yourself and by yourself, I don't have any control over that. Talking up those intentions on metafilter makes it look like something on mefi's behalf, and that's ugly bullshit that we're not okay with. That's the issue.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:51 AM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

It seems like we're sort of jumping to conclusions.

I've honestly no idea who posted those goatse pictures, but you know, if someone had posted a photograph and a call out of me to a site like that, that webmaster would be deleting goatse and tubgirl pics 24/7.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 8:51 AM on April 24, 2010 [3 favorites]

But I do acknowledge that the time span between Damn That Television's post and the appearance of serial goatse's makes him look like the culprit. But he might have seen himself on there and got furious about it was my point.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 8:54 AM on April 24, 2010

the site maintainer over at Violation Report might get pissed off when she or he sees the server logs

Given that they now appear to be blocking requests with metafilter.com as the referrer (at least to the "files"), I think we're already there.
posted by asterix at 8:58 AM on April 24, 2010

But he might have seen himself on there and got furious about it was my point.

Maybe. Or, more likely just given the raw odds of random mefite showing up on random website, he may have just thought the site was shitty and mean-spirited and gotten furious. Or he might have thought the site was shitty and mean-spirited and decided it be funny to pretend to be angry. All of those are understandable reactions of a sort.

In any case, it looks like what he did regardless of his motivation was declare on mefi that he was gonna go upload a bunch of goatse to someone else's site, and then proceeded to upload a bunch of goatse to someone else's site. I don't care about motivation at that point; I care about him fucking up Metafilter's reputation by declaring his intent to do something stupid and then doing it.

I appreciate that you're gaming out some of the human motivation angle, I do get that. I just really, really don't care once the shoe drops. It was a foolish, bullshit thing to do. I don't want people pulling that kind of crap.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:00 AM on April 24, 2010 [12 favorites]

This is also the second DTT callout this week. It's entirely possible that the things that inspired the two callouts are totally coincidental and unrelated, but as mods one of the things we do is see if this sort of thing seems to be trending up [in case there's a larger problem in the works] and try to adjust a little before someone goes off the deep end. Again, maybe DTT is just feeling impish lately, but this sort of button pushing is not so great for the site and if that's some sort of limit-testing well, here's the limit.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:10 AM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

I just saw chewbacca and tubgirl.
posted by andoatnp at 9:15 AM on April 24, 2010

How are they, these days?
posted by Greg Nog at 9:18 AM on April 24, 2010 [25 favorites]

Oh dear fucking lord.

WTF, people. Do I now have to start posting a damned disclaimer that people shouldn't spam linked sites when I make a fucking post? Holy shit.
posted by zarq at 9:23 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

The site is down
posted by KokuRyu at 9:24 AM on April 24, 2010

What a dingaling.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:26 AM on April 24, 2010

I care about him fucking up Metafilter's reputation by declaring his intent to do something stupid and then doing it.

And I can see why you wouldn't want people doing it. I'm just don't think that when a single person reacts like that, that it reflects on the site that they saw the link at.

Which was really the only point that I wanted to make, I suppose.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 9:27 AM on April 24, 2010

You know what? As the person who made the post I have the right to request this:

Would a mod please delete my whole fucking post? If one or two members here are incapable of acting like adults, then I don't want the post inciting them. And I'll try to keep that in mind in the future when and if I submit a post here again.
posted by zarq at 9:29 AM on April 24, 2010

Thank you, cortex.
posted by zarq at 9:33 AM on April 24, 2010

Klassy with a K!
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:34 AM on April 24, 2010

As the person who made the post I have the right to request this

Actually we were just going back and forth about this with another poster this week. While we will almost always remove someone's AskMe questions if they're having second thoughts, we have mixed feelings about taking down a MeFi post because someone thinks better of it. I mean we'll do it once, but after the first few times, we really really don't want to do it. The post was called "public shaming" and linked to a site where people are publicly shamed. The fact that someone from MeFi decided to head over there and be a jerk is actually not at all surprising to me.

You can say what you want about people acting like adults or not, but at the end of the day there are a lot of teenagers on this site, a lot of middle aged people who act in various ways, and a lot of older people. While I think what DTT did was crappy, I think these sorts of "look at these assholes" posts have a tendency to get people pissed off and then they sometimes go act pissed off elsewhere.

Looks like cortex already removed this post, but this is just my $.02
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:36 AM on April 24, 2010 [5 favorites]

Klassy with a K!

Fancy like ketchup!
posted by The Whelk at 9:37 AM on April 24, 2010

And I can see why you wouldn't want people doing it. I'm just don't think that when a single person reacts like that, that it reflects on the site that they saw the link at.

Which was really the only point that I wanted to make, I suppose.

I hear you. And I agree that, in principle, what what member of the site says on the site about what they intend to do elsewhere shouldn't be read as some official statement by the site as a whole.

In practice, people outside of the situation rarely have that kind of generosity about such things. It can reduce pretty rapidly—in the eyes of the target of the bullshit, in the eyes of people getting a breezy report of what happened—to "metafilter users do shitty thing x" or "metafilter launches shitty action x". Fair? Not really, especially when it's one person in a crowd of thousands choosing to behave badly. But practically speaking, it happens. And I don't want it to.

And we've done work on a number of occasions to try and keep such things from potentially happening, and doing what you could call ambassadorial work trying to help keep the occasional cross-site interactions that have happened from spinning out of control and getting ugly/petty/etc. I care a great deal about this place and don't like seeing it represented badly by volunteer jerks. It's not something we do or condone here; mefites overwhelmingly do a good job of checking those occasional goonish instincts, which I really, really appreciate; and it pisses me off to see someone undermine that like Damn That Television seems to have.

Would a mod please delete my whole fucking post?

Done.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:39 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

I mean we'll do it once, but after the first few times, we really really don't want to do it.

Right. Nothing personal, zarq, random misjudgement happens so it's not really a big deal as a one off, but partly I was pretty much ready to nix the thing in any case.
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:40 AM on April 24, 2010

Do I now have to start posting a damned disclaimer that people shouldn't spam linked sites when I make a fucking post? Holy shit.

As far as I know, nobody spammed YouTube after seeing that impressionist doing the bad-singers-version of "Bohemian Rhapsody." So that's something.
posted by FelliniBlank at 9:44 AM on April 24, 2010

Whoops, insert omitted italics.
posted by FelliniBlank at 9:44 AM on April 24, 2010

Shame Roulette!
posted by Artw at 9:46 AM on April 24, 2010

Wheel Of Pain! Wheel Of Pain!
posted by The Whelk at 9:48 AM on April 24, 2010

Grilled cheese sandwich!
posted by koeselitz at 9:56 AM on April 24, 2010

Bunny Pancakes!
posted by The Whelk at 9:56 AM on April 24, 2010

Actually we were just going back and forth about this with another poster this week. While we will almost always remove someone's AskMe questions if they're having second thoughts, we have mixed feelings about taking down a MeFi post because someone thinks better of it. I mean we'll do it once, but after the first few times, we really really don't want to do it. The post was called "public shaming" and linked to a site where people are publicly shamed. The fact that someone from MeFi decided to head over there and be a jerk is actually not at all surprising to me.

You can say what you want about people acting like adults or not, but at the end of the day there are a lot of teenagers on this site, a lot of middle aged people who act in various ways, and a lot of older people. While I think what DTT did was crappy, I think these sorts of "look at these assholes" posts have a tendency to get people pissed off and then they sometimes go act pissed off elsewhere.

I'm really rather infuriated about this right now, so I apologize in advance if this seems more fighty than it should. That's not my intention.

The name of my post or my editorial stance did not directly lead to DTT becoming a one man vigilante. There is no way I somehow turned him into an instant asshole merely by posting to Metafilter. He's wholly responsible for the way he acts, and I've posted about far more contentious topics (abortion, racism, I/P, religious fundamentalism, etc., etc) that to the best of my knowledge have never inspired such behavior. Although they may have given rise to a MeTa or two (or three, or five....)

I'd also like to point out that most of the text of the post's first sentence was quoted directly from their website. And I thought I framed the post in a pretty low-editorialized manner.

The text of the post was:

Public Shaming
April 24, 2010 10:02 AM RSS feed for this thread Subscribe
Violation Report is a New York-based bulletin board for "the public shaming of discourteous people to procure a community that is more aware of the people around them." Includes submitted photos of offenders, "Courtesy manuals," and fake tickets. Via: 1, 2.

Related:
* The Web is still the Wild, Wild West when it comes to defamation, and it's not all in fun
* Previously on MeFi
* BusinessWeek Editorial: The Era of Behavior is "a time when what we do and how we do it is under greater scrutiny and is essential to our ability to succeed in business and in life."
* Public Shaming of Prostitutes Misfires in China (From 2006)

I contributed very little in the way of editorial content in my comments, except to say that I thought it was passive aggressive, and that the tickets were a tool for them to avoid confrontation.

I do think it's important to point this out. I don't censor myself when posting here, but I'm usually very careful about the way I frame things, so I don't take too much of one side or another. The site in this case says it's a public shaming site, so that's what I called the post.

As for this happening again.... this obviously isn't something I intend to become a habit. If this had been my first post I might have decided to never post here again. But since it isn't, I'll chalk it up to one or two people's stupidity.
posted by zarq at 10:01 AM on April 24, 2010

And melissam, thank you for making this MeTa. After posting I thought I could make french toast for my kids and have a relaxing morning with 'em. :P
posted by zarq at 10:03 AM on April 24, 2010

fuq said:

Stay classy, metafilter.

Amen.

Worthless sites like Violation Report die in their first year. MetaFilter is here to stay. Why do something that could harm MetaFilter's good reputation?

Trust me. A year from now the domain will resolve to a "this person has not renewed their domain name" ad page.

The public shaming website "idea" is as old as the blink tag and just as ill-conceived. It will go the way of the blink tag, too. No need to invoke the [prolapsed-distended-anus-stretched-beyond-decency-that-shall-not-be-named]. Such things should be saved for bandwidth thieves who hotlink your images.

So, again:

Stay classy, MetaFilter.

For fuq's sake.
posted by stringbean at 10:09 AM on April 24, 2010

And just because I really, really don't want to be misinterpreted... what I'm infuriated over is not your comment, Jessamyn, but what was done by DTT (and others?) after I made the post.
posted by zarq at 10:10 AM on April 24, 2010

The name of my post or my editorial stance did not directly lead to DTT becoming a one man vigilante.

No one said that it did. I'm sorry you took what I said in that way, it wasn't my intention. Go hang out with your family.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:11 AM on April 24, 2010

zarq, your first Related link mentioned The Dirty and how it started as a local gossip site.

Somewhere along the line, I came to know about the website "The Dirty".

Most of the targets of Nik Richie are Myspace models, but he also goes after "cougars", "trouts" (older guys with money who chase younger women), and minorities. Mostly the posters are enemies of the people who are being put up for humiliation. Strangely enough, sometimes people self post.

I consider it my civic duty to occasionally pop on there and chime in with the nicer part of the the DA (Dirty Army) and post complimentary comments to the women (not hard, these women are lovely) and say that, yes, Nik, you are lame as hell.

His FAQ, explaining how these people get away with it...

A discussion was possible, but I'm sure libel has been done to death.

Possibly a better spam could have been pictures of people with their ponytails cockeyed or the wrong colored book bag, just to show how utterly shallow and ridiculous it is to pick people apart based on a few seconds of observation.
posted by Grlnxtdr at 10:15 AM on April 24, 2010

WOW.. W.T.F.?

this pretty much ruined my life....this is a BIG DEAL and I don't think I can believe in the possibility of the internet as a tool of peace and spreading open-source philosophy...what a farking scum,,,,
posted by Optimus Chyme at 10:20 AM on April 24, 2010 [3 favorites]

(Also I don't know if it was DTT or someone else but seriously let's try to get some perspective here).
posted by Optimus Chyme at 10:21 AM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

No one said that it did. I'm sorry you took what I said in that way, it wasn't my intention.

OK. I'm sorry for misreading you.

Go hang out with your family.

Will do.
posted by zarq at 10:29 AM on April 24, 2010

As far as I know, nobody spammed YouTube after seeing that impressionist doing the bad-singers-version of "Bohemian Rhapsody."

Well, finding spam in youtube comments is kinda like finding straw in a pile of straw.
posted by inigo2 at 10:34 AM on April 24, 2010 [5 favorites]

Now the site is down, which is upsetting, because I wanted to upload a picture of a hooligan I encountered who was unable to identify a common portobello mushroom.
posted by planet at 10:38 AM on April 24, 2010 [7 favorites]

The site is not down, but if you click a link from MeFi to get to the site, it will look like it is down.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:46 AM on April 24, 2010

The site isn't down. Just copy and paste the link. Prepare to be blown away by the gall of some people. I mean seriously; running around with a sunburned head in public? How ANNOYING!! God what a horrible, piece of shit site that is. I don't even know where to begin.

I'm still not tracking how it was one of us who posted the image.
posted by Kskomsvold at 10:49 AM on April 24, 2010

zarq, your first Related link mentioned The Dirty and how it started as a local gossip site.

Holy shit, that's a degrading site. Sadder still, it's from Vancouver.
posted by KokuRyu at 10:56 AM on April 24, 2010

I'm still not tracking how it was one of us who posted the image.

The comments have been deleted, but a MeFi user basically said "I'm going to post Goatse on that site" and then those images started appearing.
posted by KokuRyu at 10:57 AM on April 24, 2010

Comments
Grant Gold:
THIS IS A SCHOOL PROJECT, the fact that it ended up on a ton of blogs was somewhat happenstance. Sorry for not being able to control gawker, gothamist, etc.

Please re-evaluate your reason for doing this. Is it simply for attention?
Comments
Grant Gold:
what are your names please?
posted by fixedgear at 11:04 AM on April 24, 2010

KokuRyu: "I'm still not tracking how it was one of us who posted the image.

The comments have been deleted, but a MeFi user basically said "I'm going to post Goatse on that site" and then those images started appearing"

Ah! Thank you. Wow.
posted by Kskomsvold at 11:05 AM on April 24, 2010

I didn't see the original post or anything that happened after, but this has made me sort of uncomfortably concerned about a post I was considering making on the blue but I was worried it might attract some harmful attention/traffic to the website/provider.

I guess anyone runs the risk of problems if they have a website on the internet, but has anyone ever contacted a website provider in advance and said, "Hey, I'm going to post this to metafilter, you just might want to be aware of it?" I'm new, so maybe this is a stupid question.
posted by Wuggie Norple at 11:22 AM on April 24, 2010

No one said that it did. I'm sorry you took what I said in that way, it wasn't my intention. Go hang out with your family.

Whoa. What's going on? I feel like I'm missing some sort of backstory to the Jessamyn-GRAR-age at zarq. I mean, maybe the post wasn't the best of the web, but it was far from the most offensive thing on Metafilter.

DTT on the other hand... well that was just embarrassing and I'm glad the thread was deleted because he ruined it.
posted by fermezporte at 11:25 AM on April 24, 2010

(Also I don't know if it was DTT or someone else but seriously let's try to get some perspective here).

Does this mean you'll stop getting pissy about dumb ass comments on the site 'cause they're not as bad the Rwandan Genocide?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 11:27 AM on April 24, 2010 [7 favorites]

I feel like I'm missing some sort of backstory to the Jessamyn-GRAR-age at zarq.

Sometimes an apology is just an apology. zarq had said he wanted to go have pancakes with his family and I suggested that was a good idea.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:30 AM on April 24, 2010

I deleted that comment. Damn That Television seems to be on a jerkish roll lately and that needs to stop.

You don't say.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 11:33 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

I feel like I'm missing some sort of backstory to the Jessamyn-GRAR-age at zarq.

Jessamyn is a brown coat.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 11:37 AM on April 24, 2010

Jessamyn hates French Toast.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:38 AM on April 24, 2010

Now where do we go to publicly shame Damn That Television?
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:41 AM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

Movies.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 11:43 AM on April 24, 2010

The Posting feature has been temporarily disabled. Sorry.

Looks like he's taking his ball and going home. Temporarily.
posted by fixedgear at 11:43 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Louis C.K. - I like to hate people
posted by KokuRyu at 11:46 AM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Anti-Nowhere League - I hate people
posted by Sailormom at 11:51 AM on April 24, 2010

*runs in with a bucket of hugs and throws it over the GRAR*

*runs back out again*
posted by infini at 12:09 PM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

And, of course, The People Who Hate People Party by Bill Hicks.
posted by miss-lapin at 12:09 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

It was Stuffed French Toast, actually.

20 min | 10 min prep

SERVES 2 , 4 toasts

* 4 slices challah, about 1 inch thick (You can use Italian or French if you'd like)
* 4 tablespoons fruit spread, of your choice
* 4 tablespoons mascarpone cheese or ricotta cheese
* 2 large eggs, beaten lightly
* 1/2 cup milk
* 1 teaspoon pure vanilla extract
* 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon
* 1/4 teaspoon nutmeg (freshly ground, if possible)
* 2 teaspoons butter
* 2 teaspoons vegetable oil

1. Pre-heat oven to 350 degrees F.
2. Cut a pocket in each slice of bread by using a serrated knife to cut to about a half inch of the sides& bottom of each slice.
3. Mix together the fruit spread & cheese & fill pockets with a tbsp of the fruit/cheese mixture each.
4. Mix the eggs, milk, vanilla, cinnamon & nutmeg together in a bowl or baking pan large enough to hold all the slices in a single layer.
5. Soak the slices on one side for a few minutes, repeat once with the other side.
6. Heat a large fry pan on med/low heat and add 1 tsp each of the butter& oil.
7. Cook the bread two at a time for approx. 5-7 minutes; turn the slices a number of times until both sides are evenly browned.
8. Place on baking sheet in oven for 2-3 minutes to finish. DON'T OVERBAKE!
9. Meanwhile, repeat steps 5, 6 & 7 with the remaining slices.
10. Serve warm & top with pure maple syrup. These are also delicious plain.

© 2009 Recipezaar. All Rights Reserved. http://www.recipezaar.com

I made two batches. The first used the last of my pumpkin preserves from Halloween, which really wasn't an ideal fruit choice. It tasted okay, but the second was made with sugar-free strawberry preserves and tasted much better.

I have been informed by a couple of very short and picky critics that they were "yummy yummy challah toast." Which is really the best reception I could hope for. ;-)


And fermezporte, just to second Jessamyn, there is and was no GRAR between us. She was kind enough to clarify what she meant, and I was smart enough to leave the thread before I stuck my foot further into my mouth.

French Toast tastes much better anyway.
posted by zarq at 12:33 PM on April 24, 2010 [20 favorites]

She's trying to make him hang out in the real world with his family!

This is TOO FAR.
posted by graventy at 12:44 PM on April 24, 2010 [5 favorites]

look: I'm tired of the idea that french toast must be a sugar bomb, topped with glutinous canned cherries, whipped cream and enough powdered sugar to make Tony Montana blush.

Try this: Make a basic french toast recipe. The above is good, but leave out the vanilla and cinnamon. Then stuff it with duxelle, garnish with a mayonnaise, scallions and pink sea salt. Serve with asparagus tips and a salad.
posted by boo_radley at 1:11 PM on April 24, 2010 [6 favorites]

Asparagus and French Toast? Oh, hell no. Ye ken have me cholesterol-laden breakfast when ye pry it from me cold....
posted by zarq at 1:12 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

I just saw chewbacca and tubgirl.

Together? I hope he's got plenty of shampoo.
posted by homunculus at 1:13 PM on April 24, 2010 [4 favorites]

boo_radley's got a point. the classic french toast I grew up on (with a grandfather who liked his mushrooms fried in butter on hot toast) was barely sweetened
posted by infini at 1:15 PM on April 24, 2010

Even if the sites themselves aren't best of the web, I think it's interesting that such things exist, and found value in the post for that reason. It sucks that someone had to go too far and ruin it for everyone. It's so completely 10000% obvious that Metafilter doesn't want people doing this exact type of thing to the point where I don't get how any user who has been on the site for more than, oh, maybe an hour, would think it was cool to do that. This is supposed to be the classy, smart part of the internet, dammit!
posted by ishotjr at 1:17 PM on April 24, 2010

We can batter and fry the aparagus too, zarq.
posted by boo_radley at 1:17 PM on April 24, 2010

I remember when someone posted a link about a super-low price on cameras, and a bunch of Mefites went to the site and bought some cameras at the too-good-to-be-true price, knowing it was most likely a mistake, and that has become part of Metfilter lore and even spawned its own catch-phrase.

I think that probably reflected as poorly on the site as this incident did - or even more so, but maybe I'm the only one.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 1:42 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

I think you might be conflating two incidents, crash. I could be wrong but I though " we have cameras" was hundreds of unsecured security cameras.
posted by fixedgear at 1:58 PM on April 24, 2010

No, we have cameras is very very much from the Amazon thing. I htink the title was added after the fact.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:02 PM on April 24, 2010

Mea cupla, it was before I was a member, in the dim recesses of time.
posted by fixedgear at 2:05 PM on April 24, 2010

zarq writes "I contributed very little in the way of editorial content in my comments, except to say that I thought it was passive aggressive, and that the tickets were a tool for them to avoid confrontation.

"I do think it's important to point this out. I don't censor myself when posting here, but I'm usually very careful about the way I frame things, so I don't take too much of one side or another. The site in this case says it's a public shaming site, so that's what I called the post. "

There are pretty well three reasons people make posts to Metafilter. Usually it's "This is awesome/cool/interesting/noteworthy and everyone should know about it." Less often it's "This is interesting and something I want to talk intelligently about." And occasionally "This is outrageous and I want everyone to know about it so they can be outraged too.". With no enthusiasm in the post it's not surprising some people figured it was option three. The site in makes me sad (I think cake wrecks and it's ilk are mean spirited excuses for strangers to point and laugh too) and wishing for a kinder, gentler internet but what can you do; there are small minded people everywhere you go. The dozen or so photos I looked at didn't show any wrong doing so we're left with nothing but the story as proof. Wouldn't surprise me if 50% of the people featured are the victims of vendettas rather than deserving of public shaming.
posted by Mitheral at 2:08 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

If we are talking about poor taste and absolute crap, we already have another winner. And yes I flagged it and I'm moving on.
posted by adamvasco at 2:12 PM on April 24, 2010

mr_crash_davis is not the only one to note the raging hypocrisy of this call out. This community allows bigoted, hateful comments to stand ON THE SITE ITSELF and yet takes it as a personal affront when one member mentions spamming another unrelated site and then MAYBE, PROBABLY BUT NOT PROVABLY does. Which incident actually makes a reflection on the community as a whole? And which one should we actually care enough to do something about?

Boo fucking hoo some pretentious, libelous BFA thesis project got goatse'd. Bigger internets to fry.
posted by Juicy Avenger at 2:14 PM on April 24, 2010

we already have another winner.

Wow. I stepped away to take a shower and get a cup of coffee. Never again.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:19 PM on April 24, 2010

Juicy Avenger that comment is being discussed here. Spamming comments on open posts into other threads is generally considered bad form.
posted by Mitheral at 2:21 PM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

This community allows bigoted, hateful comments to stand ON THE SITE ITSELF

If you've got a problem, go to the MeTa thread where people are discussing it and say your piece. cortex and I have both responded in detail about why that comment is still there and how no we don't allow most bigoted and hateful expression actually.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:21 PM on April 24, 2010 [4 favorites]

adamvasco writes "If we are talking about poor taste and absolute crap, we already have another winner. And yes I flagged it and I'm moving on."

From zarq's comment I'm oh so glad I generally avoid mystery meat.
posted by Mitheral at 2:23 PM on April 24, 2010

Try to stay on topic(s) here. How to behave on the subway/sidewalk or French toast. That's it.
posted by fixedgear at 2:25 PM on April 24, 2010

I think that probably reflected as poorly on the site as this incident did - or even more so, but maybe I'm the only one.

Holy crap, you've been carrying that around for a while.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 2:35 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Spamming comments on open posts into other threads is generally considered bad form.

I don't understand what this means. I know it has it's own Metatalk, but it's still a standing comment worth linking to to prove my point. The background contention is just sound and fury to any future mefite coming across the comment, coloring their opinion of the community as a whole. I'm just comparing the levels of "community reflection". Goatse spam on outside sites can't be controlled by the mods, unfortunately, even if the intention was communicated here. It's a really stupid thing to do, but baffling to me that it is getting this much attention. That's all I'm saying.
posted by Juicy Avenger at 2:37 PM on April 24, 2010

*feels around for bucket under the table*
posted by infini at 2:37 PM on April 24, 2010

Mmm...French Toast.
posted by ericb at 2:44 PM on April 24, 2010

I think it's interesting that such things exist, and found value in the post for that reason. It sucks that someone had to go too far and ruin it for everyone.

Eh. If only the site in question were ruined. Granted, going around posting goatse is always a pretty doltish thing to do. But, the site is pretty terrible. There are pictures of people's license plates, faces without permission, et cetera. One sided rant/shaming sites are pretty much bad news all around except for people who like cheap and coarse yuks. No fault on zarq for posting it, really. It seemed he was doing a fairly comprehensive post about such things and their social conceits and this one was the newest/latest.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:46 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Even if the sites themselves aren't best of the web, I think it's interesting that such things exist, and found value in the post for that reason. It sucks that someone had to go too far and ruin it for everyone.

I think the site that was posted was straight-up terrible! I would hope that it does get ruined for everyone!

The site in question purports to encourage proper etiquette, but it attempts this by posting pictures of people who don't know they're being photographed. That's a dick move, right there.

It's unfortunate, because a lot of the described behaviors are things that I also dislike seeing on the subway, and I think it might have been an interesting project had it been restricted to the "courtesy manuals" on the site. But posting random photos of other people as exemplars of incorrectness? That's intensely mean-spirited; I don't think metafilter should be a jumping-off site for trolling, but frankly, I think the uploading of clipart and goatse is a fairly innocuous response to such a nasty, judgey, privacy-violating website.
posted by Greg Nog at 2:52 PM on April 24, 2010 [7 favorites]

baffling to me that it is getting this much attention

If a MetaFilter member announces their intention to grief or hassle an outside party, it certainly reflects badly upon MeFi as a whole and implies that that sort of thing is encouraged or abetted by 'the community' or the site's proprietors and employess.

If a MetaFilter member says some stupid shit on the site, and a 250+ discussion regarding ensues, it's evidence that while MeFi isn't some utopia of enlightenment, its members aspire to some sort of ideal level of discourse, even if it's ultimately unattainable or results in a whole lot of swearing.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 2:53 PM on April 24, 2010

or even, as the case maybe, debate over the correct amount of sugar in the french toast mix
posted by infini at 2:59 PM on April 24, 2010

Just to make sure I'm clear on what's going on here,

1. zarq links a public web site where anyone on the Internet can post any image they want.
2. DTT, a MeFite who is well-known for his use of hyperbole and references to lowest-common-denominator Internet tropes (someone else already "comment stalked" him to point it out in the Phillies thread) (also, wasn't that supposed to be not cool on MeFi anymore?) responds using hyperbole and reference to incredibly common Internet trope that other communities are well-known for spamming.
3. Anonymous uploader somewhere uploads said common Internet trope to public web site.
4. Everybody just... kind of takes it as proven that DTT is the one who did it?

The guy isn't even around to respond to all this. Delete his comment from the thread, sure, but is he automatically a "one man vigilante," "fucking up Metafilter's reputation" because an open site got attacked by one of the most common forms of attack that there is on open Internet sites? It's just what, inconceivable that someone on 4chan or Something Awful could have happened to find the same website that zarq did?

I don't want to turn this into a discussion of the AIDS thread again, but let me confirm that this is the policy:
- If a poster with a history of saying bigoted things says something bigoted, it is too hasty to call him a bigot
- If a poster with a history of unserious parody of what stupid assholes do on the Internet says something unserious involving what assholes do on the Internet, then an asshole does something on the Internet, and the only link between the two is that the latter happened later, it is NOT too hasty to blame the poster for the inevitable ruination of MetaFilter's good name for all time
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 3:03 PM on April 24, 2010 [4 favorites]

People assume DTT did it because he posted that he was going to do it.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:08 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

It's just what, inconceivable that someone on 4chan or Something Awful could have happened to find the same website that zarq did?

Inconceivable!
posted by Greg Nog at 3:09 PM on April 24, 2010

I don't know if DTT did it or not. We definitely didn't apply any modly sanctions to him as if he did it. He can show up and say he didn't do it if he wants to.

Comment stalking is against the rules on MeFi proper. Sometimes people do it on MeTa where it's not great but not against the rules.

So no cobra_high_tigers, what you said isn't policy. That said, saying "I'm going to spend the next hour uploading goatse to his site." puts you in pretty shady territory when someone uploads goatse to the site within a few hours of your saying that.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:16 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

It's just what, inconceivable that someone on 4chan or Something Awful could have happened to find the same website that zarq did?

It's not that, it's where there is smoke there is fire. DTT: think I'll go spam this site, 30 seconds later, spam. Yeah, it's probably 4chan.
posted by fixedgear at 3:23 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Does this mean you'll stop getting pissy about dumb ass comments on the site 'cause they're not as bad the Rwandan Genocide?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 11:27 AM on April 24

If you think goatse is worse than concentration camps I don't know what to tell you bro
posted by Optimus Chyme at 3:24 PM on April 24, 2010

oh hey, a thread about DTT. I wonder if it'll have people from philly dragging their tired grudge in here.
...
I see it does!
posted by shmegegge at 3:28 PM on April 24, 2010

I'm gonna spend the next hour uploading pics of goatse to Metafilter and then the next hour trying to figure out why the pics appeared in preview but failed to actually post to the site. The hour after that I plan on eating dinner and having a quick nap, then it'll be three straight hours of crying while holding myself in the fetal position.
posted by item at 3:32 PM on April 24, 2010 [4 favorites]

it is NOT too hasty to blame the poster for the inevitable ruination of MetaFilter's good name for all time

Well, as furiousxgeorge says, he claimed he was going to goatse the site, and minutes later, it was goatsed. (yes, that's a verb now, shaddup. :) ) And the site has blocked Metafilter as a referrer. It's certainly not cut-and-dry, but it appears the site mod thought shenanigans were emanating from here, and we have an active statement describing vandalism that did indeed take place shortly thereafter.

Taken in tandem, that's certainly enough evidence to look askance, even if it's not enough to convict.
posted by Malor at 3:33 PM on April 24, 2010

How do you hide/block users here again?
posted by fixedgear at 3:36 PM on April 24, 2010

frankly, I'd just rather sit and moon about this cute guy ...
posted by infini at 3:36 PM on April 24, 2010

If you think goatse is worse than concentration camps I don't know what to tell you bro

Aw, can't we think that malicious spammery and spouting off ignorant and insensitive horseshit are equally craptastic?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 3:37 PM on April 24, 2010

Wanna see something funny? I can't link to the specific pictures because he doesn't use static links and the links keep changing as posts to the site are made and he deletes them immediately, but if you go to the site in question and look towards the bottom right of the first "violations" page you'll see two pictures of men on the train sitting with their legs slightly spread. One of them is of a big guy in gray sweatpants and the other is of a guy in a blue and white jacket.

On the website they are listed as coming from two different days, two different submitters, and two different trains. But if you look closely you can see that not only are the men sitting next to each other on the same train, but hey, who is that reflecting in the window behind the men as he takes their pictures? Why, it looks like site creator Grant Gold himself! Awesome! I wonder how long it will be before he sees this and deletes those pictures too.

I do agree with the idea of not wanting to engage in shenanigans can be traced back to mefi, but holy cow, if that's what actually did happen it couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.
posted by Balonious Assault at 3:37 PM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

oh hey, a thread about DTT. I wonder if it'll have people still trying to defend an obvious troll who posts pointless shit by attacking those who complain about it.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:41 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

How do you hide/block users here again?

The mondo meta greasemonkey script does the trick pretty well.
posted by ludwig_van at 3:45 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Klassy with a K!

Ya' know what gets my goat? When people name their businesses things like 'Kiddie Korner,' 'Kangaroo Korner' or 'Kitty Korner,' Don't get me started on 'Ye Olde Shoppe' and other pseudo-cutesy company names here in the States. I'm looking at you, "Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe' and 'King Richard's Faire,' among others.
posted by ericb at 3:48 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Krusty Komedy Klassic.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 3:49 PM on April 24, 2010

On the website they are listed as coming from two different days, two different submitters, and two different trains. But if you look closely you can see that not only are the men sitting next to each other on the same train, but hey, who is that reflecting in the window behind the men as he takes their pictures? Why, it looks like site creator Grant Gold himself!

Wouldn't the images' respective URLs remain the same? Anyhoo, poor form, Grant Gold!
*Files an Honesty Violation Report*
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 3:50 PM on April 24, 2010

Why, yes they would. Thanks!
posted by Balonious Assault at 3:57 PM on April 24, 2010

Grant Gold, stop trying to make "Violation Report" happen.

It's not going to happen.
posted by hermitosis at 3:57 PM on April 24, 2010

It was Stuffed French Toast, actually....I made two batches.

Now, that's a great Dad!
posted by ericb at 4:02 PM on April 24, 2010

I am totally making a vegan version of zarq's stuffed French toast. If it's good, I'm then going to make a savory one, per boo_radley. Raw cashew nuts might be involved somehow.
posted by zinfandel at 4:07 PM on April 24, 2010

Well, I guess if joking about something means that you will be responsible if anyone happens to actually do that thing within some unspecified period afterwards, I'm glad that nobody cast that ancient Friendster curse on Jessamyn, because I'm glad that we have posters like DTT around. (That comment in today's thread excepted)

and the brotherly love between fixedgear and furiousxgeorge in this thread IS pretty cute, now that shmegegge pointed it out
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 4:44 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

the brotherly love between fixedgear and furiousxgeorge in this thread IS pretty cute

Yeah, it's almost as adorable as you playing DtT's lawyer/Greatest Hits compiler.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 4:50 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

and the brotherly love between fixedgear and furiousxgeorge in this thread IS pretty cute, now that shmegegge pointed it out

In all fairness, we do live in the city of brotherly love. We're just jealous, as Philadelphians, being the sixth borough and all. When we grow up we aspire to have more than two subway/elevated lines to bitch about. Oh, yeah, and sidewalks.
posted by fixedgear at 4:50 PM on April 24, 2010

Why, it looks like site creator Grant Gold himself!

The website is Gold's art thesis and as such, encourages others to invade people's personal privacy without first getting their consent.

If I were Damn That Television, I'd claim that I was simply responding to the invitation to interact with that particular interactive artwork by making my own ironic but pointed comment about the artistic validity of the use of non-consensual rudeness as a strategy to encourage increased civility and the contradictions inherent in such an approach.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 4:53 PM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

"Holy crap, you've been carrying that around for a while."

I'm not carrying anything around, Alvy Ampersand, I've just been here a long time, participated in a lot of threads, and that one seemed germane to the subject at hand.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 4:53 PM on April 24, 2010

I just hope no 11 year old girls were intentionally exposed to extreme pornography when visiting an otherwise SFW website, just so someone could make a point on the internet.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 4:57 PM on April 24, 2010

Furiousxgeorge, I'm a Philly resident and I agree with you that the Philly thread was kind of tasteless, but here you're being obtuse and more than a little begrudging of DTT.

The bridge from "somebody did something stupid" to "somebody is ACTIVELY ENDANGERING 11-YEAR-OLD GIRLS" is kind of silly. This is not a web site specifically marketing to 11-year-old girls, so it's not like goatse is here malevolently and capriciously attacking youth. Meanwhile, I don't think goatse's going to scar anybody for life. The Internet has long gotten over thinking shock images will permanently scar anybody.
posted by Rory Marinich at 5:10 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Injoke or no, I don't remember the amazon camera thing ever being uncontroversial, but it is ancient history at this point. The site has grown up in some ways since then, and I don't think you'll see another "let's raid the etailer!" post fly these days.

And, yes, there are fundamentally worse things in the world than website griefing, but that's a foolish non-starter of an argument. By that standard we ought to shut mefi down and replace it with a single page that reads "go do some charity". Life is complicated and has a lot of things going on at once, both off mefi and on.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:11 PM on April 24, 2010 [3 favorites]

Alvy Ampersand: Yeah, it's almost as adorable as you playing DtT's lawyer/Greatest Hits compiler.

Son,
a) I appreciate your take on the guilt-by-fanboy approach to avoid making a substantive response, but you may be overreaching with "greatest hits compiler" for someone who linked a single comment, to support a point.
b) I've had plenty of run-ins that have left me touchy about people getting blamed for things they didn't do just because they came to pass later. Here's one example. It happened to DtT this time, but it could have been anyone and I'd still get a shitty vibe about it.
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 5:12 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Son?
posted by gman at 5:19 PM on April 24, 2010

Cobra, aren't you jumping the gun on the anger about false accusation since no one knows either way who actually did it?
posted by furiousxgeorge at 5:20 PM on April 24, 2010

Oh, it's gonna get good now.
posted by fixedgear at 5:21 PM on April 24, 2010

Strongbad called you "son".
posted by Burhanistan at 5:34 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

And yeah, can we maybe skip the throwdown in here? It's been kind of an awful few days and I'm not keen to see us start up a fresh batch of GRAR for Saturday night as well.

As far as the griefing thing goes: circumstantial evidence suggests pretty strongly that DTT was doing the goatseing, but if he shows up and swears up and down that he's the victim of an unlikely coincidence, fine, I'll take him at his word. It's done now either way, so the point is more or less moot.

My concern is that it be clear that this kind of cross-site griefing is just absolutely not okay from mefites. As I said earlier, that's something that's really important to me, and not a policy that is up for debate. If nothing else, DTT needs to not ever even suggest he'd do it in the future; a bad moment is one thing, a repeat of this sort of escapade would be a whole different scale of problem.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:41 PM on April 24, 2010

Son... I appreciate your take on the guilt-by-fanboy approach to avoid making a substantive response...

Thanks, Mumsy, but I honestly didn't think that your weak yet charmingly insistent defense of DtT warranted a substantive response (Though I am sorry that the police bullied you and took your camera, that's some totally egregious bullshit on their part).

Sure, it's possible that DtT didn't spam the site with Goatse pics minutes after declaring his intention to do so, and it's not unpossible that the blocking of links from MeFi could be chalked up to Grant Gold's inability to hack MeFi's snark about his little project, rather than, say, a site admin checking their logs and noticing that a spammer had originally come to his site via MetaFilter.com/*. Or it could be an SA Goon has hacked DtT's account.

Or - of course! *Snaps fingers* - it could be that it's YOU who made with the gaping anus, and now you're feeling bad that DtT took the fall! It all makes sense now!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 5:41 PM on April 24, 2010

it's YOU who made with the gaping anus

For some reason, I momentarily interpreted that as one who made something with the gaping anus. Like, the Gaping Anus tool in Photoshop next to the crop tool or something. It's best left not thought about.
posted by Burhanistan at 5:51 PM on April 24, 2010

furious: the whole point is that I don't know whether DtT did it or not, and neither does anyone in this thread. Yeah, there are good reasons to suspect it was him, and it also could have been literally anyone else. The direction this thread was moving in earlier, without him even being around to respond, was just making me uncomfortable. I didn't mean in my comment to Alvy to assert that he didn't do it, just that I could see this situation as one of those ones that gives me a bad vibe.

Alvy: Well... for certain values of "made with the gaping anus." Just not ones that involve posting goatse

and in case it ruffled anyone's feathers, I was being sincere about the fixedgear/furiousxgeorge thing being kind of heartwarming. I saw that you guys had favorited a few of each others' comments in here but didn't make the Philly connection. When I put it together, I smiled because on one level I pictured geographical kinship, but on another level I had this mental image of you guys like grizzled veterans, all "We had each others' backs through some rough shit back in /19158. That's the kind of bond you never forget."
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 6:15 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

19158=The ZIP Code you entered could not be found in our database.
Please confirm the ZIP Code and try again.

But point taken.
posted by fixedgear at 6:23 PM on April 24, 2010

or even, as the case maybe, debate over the correct amount of sugar in the french toast mix

There's no need to add sugar to the french toast batter even if you're making the sweet kind.

Of course, the real mystery of french toast is its relationship to snowstorms. What do people run out and buy when a snowpocalyse is threatened? Milk, eggs, and bread. What are the core ingredients of french toast? Milk, eggs, and bread. Co-incidence?
posted by Karmakaze at 6:28 PM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

SUNSHINE! LOLLIPOPS! RAINBOWS!


WHAT ABOUT THIS IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE?
posted by The Whelk at 6:36 PM on April 24, 2010 [2 favorites]

The "SUNSHINE! LOLLIPOPS! RAINBOWS!" part.
posted by gman at 6:41 PM on April 24, 2010

fixedgear: it was the thread id for the barfing fans MeTa
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 6:41 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

Son, shine!
posted by item at 6:42 PM on April 24, 2010

The Barfing Fans, band name, etc.
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:49 PM on April 24, 2010

like a reverse-Gallagher? Plastic sheets on the stage to protect the performers?
posted by furiousxgeorge at 6:52 PM on April 24, 2010

SUNSHINE! LOLLIPOPS! RAINBOWS! WHAT ABOUT THIS IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE?

Lesley Gore shot my dog, you insensitive monster.
Well, technically, I shot it, but Lesley Gore drove me to it.


Now, let's set aside our gaping anii, and enjoy some french toast!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 6:57 PM on April 24, 2010

As your attorney I advise you to huff this ether.
posted by Meatbomb at 7:15 PM on April 24, 2010

YAY ETHER!
posted by The Whelk at 8:06 PM on April 24, 2010

Instead of sugar, put a couple of tablespoons of honey into the microwave for about fifteen or twenty seconds before stirring that into the egg mix. Makes for good French toast.

Anus.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 8:34 PM on April 24, 2010

Clover honey adds a bit of grass-y, which is good for meat stuff.
posted by The Whelk at 9:11 PM on April 24, 2010

For your Consideration
posted by The Whelk at 9:12 PM on April 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

I just hope no 11 year old girls were intentionally exposed to extreme pornography when visiting an otherwise SFW website, just so someone could make a point on the internet.

Is goatse really "pornography"? I don't think vary many people who see it are getting off on it, and the image itself was for BME, a magazine about body modification. The image itself isn't necessarily sexual.
posted by delmoi at 9:55 PM on April 24, 2010

goatse was/is used primarily to shock unsuspecting people.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:08 PM on April 24, 2010

I can't define pornography, but I know it when I GOOD GOD WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?
posted by lore at 11:05 PM on April 24, 2010 [4 favorites]

Listen to The Whelk, he's got a point here

*sprays content of hugbucket over GRARRING threaders*
posted by infini at 1:25 AM on April 25, 2010

*sprays content of hugbucket over GRARRING threaders*

So is this AskMe referring to that godforsaken "schmoopy" you kids are always going on about? I think we're finally connecting some dots here, infini... 'Cause that's certainly a hug you can measure in gallons.

_{NSFW NSFW NSFW not goastse but NSFW}
posted by Juicy Avenger at 2:15 AM on April 25, 2010 [2 favorites]

A lady never reveals her secrets
posted by infini at 2:30 AM on April 25, 2010

Really, I'm filthy and loathsome. Just mentioning my name might give you tongue herpes or something. But, if you need me, I'll be in my van torturing kidnapped children.
posted by Schmoopy at 5:05 AM on April 25, 2010 [1 favorite]

Hey, husky-headed children need websites too!
posted by Wuggie Norple at 5:25 AM on April 25, 2010

We can batter and fry the aparagus too, zarq.

I've never liked asparagus in any form. Fresh definitely tastes better than store-bought, but it's still not ever my first veg choice. I'd be okay with some sort of side salad next to my french toast, instead. :)
posted by zarq at 7:34 AM on April 25, 2010

Hugbucket.

Good idea. Disconcerting mental picture. :)
posted by zarq at 7:34 AM on April 25, 2010

Isn't just about anything?
posted by h00py at 8:05 AM on April 25, 2010

Don't give me that look zarq, just get in the hugbucket already.
posted by Cold Lurkey at 8:55 AM on April 25, 2010 [4 favorites]

It puts the lotion on its skin....

*shudder*
posted by zarq at 9:11 AM on April 25, 2010 [1 favorite]

Hugbucket and the Schmoopys
Friday May 2nd
Elk Lodge off I-75, take exit 3
Bring taters.

posted by hellojed at 9:24 AM on April 25, 2010

HUG-DANCE THE PAIN AWAY!
posted by The Whelk at 9:40 AM on April 25, 2010

DANCE-HUG SOUNDTRACK
posted by The Whelk at 9:50 AM on April 25, 2010 [1 favorite]

Dance your cares away, worries for another day!

Down in Fraggle Rock!
posted by Night_owl at 10:42 AM on April 25, 2010

let the fraggles play!
posted by The Whelk at 10:46 AM on April 25, 2010

This hugbucket needs to get built. We'll split into two teams. Right-brain, creative, squirmy-huggy types go inside the bucket. Left-brain, logical types erect the bucket and shove people in.

We'll have world peace by sundown.
posted by mccarty.tim at 10:48 AM on April 25, 2010 [1 favorite]

UK MeFites: I'd like to thank your country for MORO bars (the ones in the blue wrapper), which are my latest nutritional crack.
posted by jonmc at 11:57 AM on April 25, 2010 [2 favorites]

*eh eh eh he said erect*

k, that's my impersonation done for the day

*wonders if she should reveal what the word 'hug' means in hindi*
posted by infini at 1:16 PM on April 25, 2010

besides, I'm a whole brain type, I get to spray it around ;p
posted by infini at 1:16 PM on April 25, 2010

Does it mean something like this?
posted by Burhanistan at 1:18 PM on April 25, 2010

embarrassed blush hidden by self renewing tan

not quite, actually its worse ;p can't find a translator that works - google just transliterates it back though I use the gmail devanagri to write it

later, i'll look for it, right now, I just felt an angel fly over me (badly paraphrased danish proverb that I can't find either, my googlefu skills are off today methinks)
posted by infini at 1:35 PM on April 25, 2010

While there are a lot of very good points in this thread, in my own defense, I have to point out that I never even uplo-**slips on banana peel, tumbles head over heels down Grand Staircase, lands facefirst in wedding cake as pants rip, revealing frilly girly underwear**
posted by Damn That Television at 1:43 PM on April 25, 2010 [3 favorites]

My concern is that it be clear that this kind of cross-site griefing is just absolutely not okay from mefites

i understand your position, and agree that it's good for metafilter. But also, sometimes Goatse is lol. Maybe everyone should take a step down from their loud ladder and look at the guy. Take a good hard look.








See it?








Jk lol you just looked at goatse.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 2:29 PM on April 25, 2010 [4 favorites]

I have to point out that I never even uplo-**slips on banana peel

Honestly, if you want to go on the record about it go ahead and do it, and if you don't then don't, but as jessamyn said upthread we've been a little bothered by some of the stuff you've been doing lately on the site in terms of how you interact with other folks and this sort of intentionally-ambiguous refusal to give a straight answer about something we're expressing concern about feels like you're just jerking us around for laughs.

If that's fundamentally the way you want to and intend to be here, that's your call but it makes it really hard for us to have a reason to continue giving you the benefit of the doubt when trouble comes up.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:24 PM on April 25, 2010 [1 favorite]

I know we don't generally post shock images to other sites, but maybe we could make a shock image for intrasite usage only called Hugbucket? If it escapes, we'll just create an equally happy image to cancel it out.
posted by mccarty.tim at 4:48 PM on April 25, 2010

cortex: Honestly, if you want to go on the record about it go ahead and do it, and if you don't then don't, but as jessamyn said upthread we've been a little bothered by some of the stuff you've been doing lately on the site in terms of how you interact with other folks and this sort of intentionally-ambiguous refusal to give a straight answer about something we're expressing concern about feels like you're just jerking us around for laughs.

He expressed an intent to do something, and within minutes it was done.

It's a shame he doesn't have the balls to either take responsibility for his actions or deny his involvement. But really, what does it matter? If he's incapable of acting like an adult, that's his business. And now we know to lower our expectations about him in the future.
posted by zarq at 5:23 PM on April 25, 2010

...or at least, I do. Can't speak for anyone else.
posted by zarq at 5:47 PM on April 25, 2010

>Meanwhile, I don't think goatse's going to scar anybody for life. The Internet has long gotten over thinking shock images will permanently scar anybody.

I don't know who "the internet" is but there are a number of images that I wish I'd never seen. Scarred for life? Probably not. Still, until someone invents a device that eradicates specific memories (NEED UNSEE) I like to be able to choose what I register, insofar as that's possible.
posted by generalist at 6:26 PM on April 25, 2010

Wait, am I late to my own call-out thread?
posted by Mountain Goatse at 8:46 AM on April 26, 2010

Isn't anybody worried that a bucket of hugs might be a choking hazard?

Wait, maybe that was a bucket of something else.
posted by nickmark at 11:19 AM on April 26, 2010

BIG bucket o hugs... SuperSized bucket... no chokee coffee saar just fuzzy wuzzy huggy
posted by infini at 11:35 AM on April 26, 2010

wait... wrong thread ;p

I meant to say,

I know we don't generally post shock images to other sites, but maybe we could make a shock image for intrasite usage only called Hugbucket? If it escapes, we'll just create an equally happy image to cancel it out.

give the man what he needs to create this image...
posted by infini at 11:36 AM on April 26, 2010