Yeah yeah, flag it and move on...

July 28, 2010 3:18 PM

I think allowing this post to continue to exist sets a horrible precedent. I could make a post like this every day till the end of time and I'm sure other MeFites could as well, but this is not what MetaFilter is for. Is it?
posted by dobbs to Etiquette/Policy at 3:18 PM (248 comments total)

Apparently it is for randomly snarking at other people and being a general fucking asshole.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 3:20 PM on July 28, 2010 [12 favorites]

Butter, salt . . . .check.
posted by fourcheesemac at 3:21 PM on July 28, 2010 [4 favorites]

Parmesan? Maybe some fresh grated telicherry pepper?
posted by elizardbits at 3:22 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

You forgot the beer.
posted by ericb at 3:24 PM on July 28, 2010

My previous post with the exact same format went down just fine. Precedent was set over a year ago.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 3:26 PM on July 28, 2010

All I have is this bucket of oil-based "carnival" topping.
posted by blue_beetle at 3:26 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Sorry, 10 months ago.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 3:27 PM on July 28, 2010

It stood. It's not the greatest post in the world. However, neither is it the worst. You said it already. FIAMO.
posted by josher71 at 3:29 PM on July 28, 2010

posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist it is for randomly snarking at other people and being a general fucking asshole.

No, it's for protecting Apple from the iHaters!
posted by mattdidthat at 3:31 PM on July 28, 2010 [3 favorites]

Oh, oh, I think I know the answer! Is it Rusty Bottoms?
posted by loquacious at 3:33 PM on July 28, 2010 [7 favorites]

No real dog in this fight, but Anti, your previous post actually took time to discuss the artist and art you were presenting. You didn't really do that here so much as provide a news update, which is why the threadshit brigade felt justified in jumping in. Not that they need an excuse or anything, but the two posts do seem to have a significant difference in that respect. It's tough to balance describing a fave band's music with "this is great and you should think so!" but you did kinda do it better last time.
posted by mediareport at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

It's tough to balance describing a fave band's music without "this is great and you should think so!"
posted by mediareport at 3:39 PM on July 28, 2010

Is it Rusty Bottoms?

Might as well be.
posted by dobbs at 3:39 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

I think MeFi will survive the time we all learned about that one band.
posted by inturnaround at 3:40 PM on July 28, 2010 [7 favorites]

How is that the "exact same format"? The older post was descriptive, and gave a few details of what people might like about the band in question, but this new post reads like a press release, as several people (including Jessamyn) said.

(I flagged it, but with little real hope that anybody else would.)
posted by Gator at 3:44 PM on July 28, 2010

Which one band? Is it...Ghostbusters II?
posted by infinitywaltz at 3:44 PM on July 28, 2010

posted by inturnaround I think MeFi will survive the time we all learned about that one band.

But as Pretty Flowers discovered, that band may not survive the time MeFi learned about it.
posted by mattdidthat at 3:44 PM on July 28, 2010 [4 favorites]

All I have to say about this post is that there was a big enough dash of Blue Pepsi in its thin sauce that I flagged it and moved on. No big thing if the mods decide to leave up.
posted by bearwife at 3:45 PM on July 28, 2010

dobbs: "this is not what MetaFilter is for"

Well, what do you mean?
posted by boo_radley at 3:45 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

MetaFilter is for sharing stuff we think is cool, yes.
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:48 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

I just don't get what the point of the post is. "Hey this band exists." Okay. And? So? Have they done anything particularly noteworthy or interesting? Most MeFi posts have some kind of hook- something interesting to draw in your attention or.

They play music. Great. So do thousands of other artists. Why should anybody care? If you can't come up with a reason why this band in particular is one people should care about, why make a post that is just "this band exists"?
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:49 PM on July 28, 2010 [14 favorites]

And I am not sure we have to worry about precedent. This isn't law. It's Thunderdome, and there are very few rules, and even they can be broken if Auntie Entity chooses.
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Everyone should check out Gator's user page. "The gator saw my sudden movement, stopping its forward motion, sinking into the water until just its eyes and snout were visible." Love that. Takes me back. It was a sad day when it was announced that you could no longer customize your page. :(
posted by mlis at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2010 [3 favorites]

Well, what do you mean?

He means Metafilter is the best of the web, not the best new album that's just been released. Usually complaints that if everyone did X, Metafilter would suck are stupid, because not everyone will do X. But allowing people to put up posts that are basically just advertisements for little-known bands (or commercial photographers, or comedy DVDs, or indie movies, or whatever) seems like a bad idea to me.
posted by Dasein at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2010

I defended it in thread, because I really don't understand the problem with it. Every other day we see posts like "_____ is a ______. Their work is sometimes been called _______, or even _____. "

Music is a bit less approachable than a photographer or sculptor because it takes a bit longer to determine the quality, but I don't believe it's very different at all.
posted by Think_Long at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2010

My previous post with the exact same format went down just fine.

I don't think it was at all the same format.

Your previous post described the artist with: "He merges a performance and video art approach with the aesthetic sensibilities of film. He explores subjects such as gender roles, sexual identity, and interpersonal relationships. The stories are usually ambiguous, unresolved, and quite haunting."

This one said that there was a band with an new album and that they had toured.

I got a little more interested later on in the comments when you said that they combined punk and electronica, but the original post said literally nothing about the band's music.
posted by dfan at 3:55 PM on July 28, 2010

shit-i-like.metafilter.com

And we're done.
posted by fourcheesemac at 3:58 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

No, it's for protecting Apple from the iHaters!

Do you ever tire of being a troll?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2010

"No, it's for protecting Apple from the iHaters!

Do you ever tire of being a troll?"

Apple. It's like the Migs Signal, only shitty.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 4:02 PM on July 28, 2010 [24 favorites]

Do you ever tire of rising to the bait every single time?
posted by proj at 4:02 PM on July 28, 2010 [25 favorites]

He means Metafilter is the best of the web

Well, sometimes it's the worst of the Web.
posted by Astro Zombie at 4:02 PM on July 28, 2010 [3 favorites]

It's not Scottish.
posted by Babblesort at 4:04 PM on July 28, 2010

Y'know, BP, just because someone says "jump!" doesn't mean you have to.
posted by rtha at 4:04 PM on July 28, 2010 [6 favorites]

Dasein: "He means Metafilter is the best of the web, not the best new album that's just been released."
I will quote directly: "not best of the web" is not a reason we delete posts ever - do not use this flag. take a walk. The "best of the web" idea can be used to shoot down any post in the most nebulous way possible. There is no "best" consensus, therefore no post can meet this criterion, ever. It is a codified dogwhistle way to say "I do not like this post".

"Usually complaints that if everyone did X, Metafilter would suck are stupid, because not everyone will do X. But allowing people to put up posts that are basically just advertisements for little-known bands (or commercial photographers, or comedy DVDs, or indie movies, or whatever) seems like a bad idea to me."

A fun exercise for you: How many posts on the front page right are a bad idea under these criteria?

I don't mean to antagonize you, or even really to defend Antidisestablishmentarianist's post -- I have no horse in this race -- but this seems like pointless complaining. Just look at this MeTa's title if you're in doubt.
posted by boo_radley at 4:05 PM on July 28, 2010

proj: "Do you ever tire of rising to the bait every single time?"

*pant pant* What'd I miss?.
posted by boo_radley at 4:08 PM on July 28, 2010 [12 favorites]

The immediately previous post on The Divine Comedy is a good example of what a "here's an artist that just released a new album" post can be.

Granted there's more back-catalog to work from there, but still.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 4:10 PM on July 28, 2010

Do you ever tire of being a troll?

Do you?
posted by banshee at 4:11 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

horrible precedent?
Dred Scott, Citizens United, there's some horrible precedent for ya
shiiiiiiiiiiiiit, man, jeez
posted by angrycat at 4:13 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

I'm about to throw my monitor at a wall because of this post. I mean, what the fuck man. They're cartoons. People make cartoons. Big fucking whoop. I could make a post about cartoons every day. And so what if it's the 70th anniversary of Bugs and Elmer. I mean, the cartoon has been around for 70 years. It's not like we haven't seen them.

This sets a terrible precedent, one that will certainly cause the site to collapse in on itself, KILLING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

Also, Apple sucks.
posted by eyeballkid at 4:18 PM on July 28, 2010 [3 favorites]

I am not in favor of posts like:

Hey, I like this band!

or

Hey, this song rules!

Unless either:

A) there's a shit load of interesting material on the band that's been collected into one huge post.

B) The video/song/band is notable for something other than just being a good song or band(in the posters opinion.)

---

If you're going to make a song about a band or a song, at least figure out why it should be generally relevant to people who don't follow that particular scene.

We all like lots of bands. If we all just started posting videos from our favorite bands, metafilter would fucking suck.

Like, here's an example of how you make a post about a band (sorry, using an example from my own posting history because it's the first thing I thought of).

I posted a link to a 3 hour documentary about the band, and links to videos and live performances from Kraftwerk and other bands that were mentioned in the documentary. Even if you're not a fan of Kraftwerk and electronic music, there's a lot there to chew on.

There was also a post that was just a link to a mediocre mashup on youtube a few days ago that I also thought really sucked and should have been deleted. We really need a higher bar for music-centered posts, imo.

Please, give us some context, give us some history, tell us why we should care.
posted by empath at 4:20 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Pope Guilty writes "They play music. Great. So do thousands of other artists. Why should anybody care? If you can't come up with a reason why this band in particular is one people should care about, why make a post that is just 'this band exists'?"

Pope Guilty what differentiates this post from "Nine Inch Noels. From MeFi's own." or "The Miami-Dade County Justice Department presents the 1988 Miami-Dade County Sex Offender Registry performing "The Sex Offender Shuffle""?
posted by Mitheral at 4:23 PM on July 28, 2010

and yes, his previous post was much better.
posted by empath at 4:24 PM on July 28, 2010

Usually complaints that if everyone did X, Metafilter would suck are stupid, because not everyone will do X

I know, right? I mean I've never touched the stuff, and when I used to go to raves with my friends that did, they all acted so dumb and sucked on lollipops and smelled like vaporub and all wanted massages and stuff and I really don't want metafilter to become like those places where all of us who don't do X are outcasts that sit on the sofa in the corner alone with a beer while techno music blasts and kills the prospect of any conversation even if someone decided they needed a break from dancing and wanted to chill with you for a minute.
posted by Kirk Grim at 4:24 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

This has happened before and I asked this question then. It did not go well for me and I don't expect it will go well for you either.

Someone told me to actually make an FPP out of my snarky responses and I actually thought about it because I really liked Land of Talk, and if someone else gets to hype up their favourite band for no reason, why couldn't I? But a comment in the post the OP mentions has a good reason why not: I, too, get tons of music-related press releases in one of my inboxes (despite the fact that the MP3 blog I used to maintain has been dormant for two years now). Much of it reads pretty much like the referenced post, and doesn't really do anything to tell me why I should care about the band.

I dunno. It's obviously not the end of the world or anything, and I don't care nearly as much now as I did when I made my snarky comment way back when. I just think that if we wanna talk about our favourite bands, we've got plenty of places to do so. You can even do it here, if you can give me a convincing narrative about what makes them interesting.

In summary, *shrug*
posted by chrominance at 4:24 PM on July 28, 2010

"The Miami-Dade County Justice Department presents the 1988 Miami-Dade County Sex Offender Registry performing "The Sex Offender Shuffle""?

You really need to ask that?
posted by empath at 4:25 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

I think allowing this post to continue to exist sets a horrible precedent. I could make a post like this every day till the end of time and I'm sure other MeFites could as well, but this is not what MetaTalk is for. Is it?
posted by eschatfische at 4:29 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

chrominance: I thought the regina spektor was fine because it at least put the music in context as representative of a scene (whatever anti-folk is). That kind of thing I don't mind as long as it's not an every day thing.

But I literally could post music links all day everyday like the post that's been called out here. The post is basically, hey I like this band that exists. Hell, it wasn't even "I like this band." It was just: "This band exists."

Well, I mean, no shit. We all like bands. There are billions of them. Why should I care?
posted by empath at 4:31 PM on July 28, 2010

I gotta get my Michael Gira post together one of these days. He's reforming Swans, how badass is that?
posted by turgid dahlia at 4:33 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

Pope Guilty what differentiates this post from "Nine Inch Noels. From MeFi's own." or "The Miami-Dade County Justice Department presents the 1988 Miami-Dade County Sex Offender Registry performing "The Sex Offender Shuffle""?

So the one post is "this band exists".

The other post is a funny reworking of Nine Inch Nails lyrics mixed with Christmas songs.

The third is a comedy video which mocks our culture's attitudes toward sex offenders.

So one post is nothing more than "this band exists", and the other two are links to things that are funny.

I can see how you could have a hard time seeing the difference.
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:34 PM on July 28, 2010

I want to say for the record that what eschatfische just did is the laziest and most annoying thing that people do on this site, and it's about time that people who engage in this practice catch hell for it. You Know Who You Are. It makes FTFY look clever. Do you know how hard that is? It's pretty damn hard, all.

The post is kinda bad because it doesn't tell you anything about the band. I don't think it's delete-worthy, but it's not something I would have looked at twice, either. There's a lot of stuff here I don't look at, though.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 4:35 PM on July 28, 2010 [6 favorites]

> I think allowing this post to continue to exist sets a horrible precedent. I could make a post like this every day till the end of time and I'm sure other MeFites could as well, but this is not what MetaTalk is for. Is it?

You can only post a metatalk once a week.
posted by cjorgensen at 4:41 PM on July 28, 2010

We could try that chemical where if you pee in the pool, your pee turns blue, but The Blue is already blue, so I think that wouldn't work. Other than that, I'm fresh out of ideas.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:42 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Apparently it is for randomly snarking at other people and being a general fucking asshole.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 10:20 AM on July 29 [+] [!]

Wow...so calling someone "general fucking asshole" for disagreeing with you is totally acceptable on metafilter, huh?
posted by hal_c_on at 4:46 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

I didn't like it much but it didn't seem to be so terrible that it was deleteworthy. cortex is camping. I'm trying not to delete much in his absence. And yeah "this is a band" isn't a great sort of post and it's now sort of over the threshhold of "flags where we have to make an editorial decision" Sorry for being wishy-washy earlier.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 4:47 PM on July 28, 2010

This is Metatalk. General Fucking Asshole [salute!] is the Fucking Commander-In-Chief.
posted by qvantamon at 4:48 PM on July 28, 2010

(and before someone reads that wrong, I better clarify that I meant that in an abstract "this is what reigns here" and not in reference to people in particular)
posted by qvantamon at 4:51 PM on July 28, 2010

Well dang, I just finished putting together a snappy comment about a great Vancouver band, the Inhabitants, who also just released a new album, and are playing at the Cobalt tomorrow night.
posted by jokeefe at 4:52 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

The third-most popular post I ever made was a "check out this contemporary musician" thing.

But then I have awesome taste in music.
posted by Joe Beese at 4:52 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Wow...so calling someone "general fucking asshole" for disagreeing with you is totally acceptable on metafilter, huh?

You seem to be confused between the difference between MeFi proper and MetaTalk, but no it's not that great of a thing to do, generally speaking.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 4:53 PM on July 28, 2010

Well, I flagged it, and then I moved on, but seeing as dobbs has braved the slings and arrows of outraged Mefites and posted to MeTa I might as well say that, aside from the fact I didn't much care for the main song, couldn't care less what pitchfork says, and usually hate concert videos, this post suffered from the cardinal sin of being bland, pointless PR.

God damn it, babies - you've got to be interesting!
posted by Sparx at 4:57 PM on July 28, 2010 [3 favorites]

Wow...so calling someone "general fucking asshole" for disagreeing with you is totally acceptable on metafilter, huh?

More acceptable than posting a ridiculous Meta thread asking for advice you should certainly know at this point and then proclaiming you're not coming back to that thread.
posted by gman at 5:00 PM on July 28, 2010 [7 favorites]

MetaFilter: calling someone "general fucking asshole" for disagreeing with you is totally acceptable

munch, munch, mmm, more salt please.

The Inuit languages have only one word for salt: tagiuq.
posted by fourcheesemac at 5:01 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Pitchfork still sucks.

(it's been awhile. Indulge me.)
posted by jonmc at 5:03 PM on July 28, 2010 [5 favorites]

I don't know what you would call the gesture that Mariska Veres of The Shocking Blue does right here while performing "Venus" (link goes directly to the gesture in the middle of the video) but oh little lad tutelary does it ever work for me. Does that gesture have a name? I want to know exactly what to ask for.
posted by vapidave at 5:05 PM on July 28, 2010

General Fucking Asshole is my Juggalo name.
posted by BeerFilter at 5:06 PM on July 28, 2010 [19 favorites]

We all like lots of bands. If we all just started posting videos from our favorite bands, metafilter would fucking suck.

Unless it's One Of The Greatest Moments In The History Of Recorded Sound, and you're jonmc, then it would rock.
posted by Devils Rancher at 5:13 PM on July 28, 2010

It's been 4 years. Let it go.
posted by jonmc at 5:14 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

cortex is camping
With the railgun, picking off bad posts at the spawn point?
posted by Abiezer at 5:17 PM on July 28, 2010 [14 favorites]

I guess here's as good a place as any to post this video of Justin Bieber on a Segway, being chased by a mob of teenage girls.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:18 PM on July 28, 2010 [4 favorites]

The Beatles were chased by mobs of teenage girls and they didn't need a Segway to outrun them. This Bieber kid's a wuss.
posted by jonmc at 5:20 PM on July 28, 2010 [5 favorites]

It's been 4 years. Let it go.

What. I'm not being sarcastic. I loved the post. I love the song. Played it at Raul's the night I graduated from high school. One of the 10 greatest moments of my life.
posted by Devils Rancher at 5:24 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

cortex is camping
With the railgun, picking off bad posts at the spawn point?

Thought the exact same thing. I had to remember what the other use for that word is. I need to get out more.
posted by eyeballkid at 5:27 PM on July 28, 2010

the line between "don't editorialize" and "tell us why we should care" sometimes seems pretty thin at the moment of creating a post. i usually trash mine at that stage (which isn't always a bad thing, but maybe sometimes is).
posted by nadawi at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2010

Pitchfork still sucks.

(it's been awhile. Indulge me.)

Sure! Today I stumbled upon a list compiled by Rolling Stone of the 500 best songs "of all time." #2 was Satisfaction by....The Rolling Stones and #1 was .....Like a Rolling Stone, by Bob Dylan.

I surmised that when Pitchfork builds up the gall to rate the Nth number of songs "of all time" #1 will be Pitchfork by The Pitchforks.
posted by hellojed at 5:42 PM on July 28, 2010 [14 favorites]

The Beatles were chased by mobs of teenage girls and they didn't need a Segway to outrun them. This Bieber kid's a wuss.

I have a feeling if Segways existed back then they'd be on Segways. I'm certain they'd be on Segways on the Abbey Road album cover.
posted by birdherder at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2010

Usually complaints that if everyone did X, Metafilter would suck are stupid, because not everyone will do X.

I didn't do X, I just kissed John Doe on the cheek, okay?
posted by desuetude at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2010 [15 favorites]

I think allowing this post to continue to exist sets a horrible precedent. I could make a post like this every day till the end of time and I'm sure other MeFites could as well, but this is not what MetaTalk is for. Is it?

Actually, this is exactly what MetaTalk is for.
posted by Jaltcoh at 6:11 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

don't worry about the deletion, shii will fix it tomorrow.
posted by cjorgensen at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2010

You seem to be confused between the difference between MeFi proper and MetaTalk, but no it's not that great of a thing to do, generally speaking.

Not confused, and you kinda validated what I said. Thanks.
posted by hal_c_on at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2010

More acceptable than posting a ridiculous Meta thread asking for advice you should certainly know at this point and then proclaiming you're not coming back to that thread.

Oh, ok. Then consider this post to be me telling you to be that specific "something more acceptable" than posting a ridiculous Meta thread asking for advice I should certainly know at this point.
posted by hal_c_on at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2010

That was already a deleteworthy post IMO and the self-policing borders on a temporary timeout.
posted by DU at 6:19 PM on July 28, 2010

The Inuit languages have only one word for salt: tagiuq.

Well that begs the question: how many words does the English language have for salt? Brine is salt dissolved in water so that doesn't count because it is no longer salt, it is salt and liquid. Smelling salts, common salt, table salt, epsom salts all use use the word salt so they are just specific varieties. Season could mean to use salt but it could also mean to use pepper and other spices. Really the other other word I can think of for salt is Sodium Chloride or NaCl which seems like cheating as it is a chemical formula rather than another English word for salt.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2010

Bummer. i guess this means an FPP on this summer's k-pop girl group invasion of Japan won't fly.

Well, here's Kara doing a Japanese version of their Korean hit "Mister", better known as the butt-dance song.
posted by needled at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Well, here's Kara doing a Japanese version of their Korean hit "Mister" , better known as the butt-dance song.

Awwwwwww lookit all the cute lil tummies! I want to rub all the tummies! Does somebody wanna tummy rub? Does ums? Does ums?


Shit, I've spent too much time with just a cat for company.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 6:44 PM on July 28, 2010

Devils Rancher: Unless it's One Of The Greatest Moments In The History Of Recorded Sound, and you're jonmc, then it would rock.

jonmc: It's been 4 years. Let it go.

BISMILLAH
posted by zarq at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2010 [5 favorites]

That was already a deleteworthy post IMO and the self-policing borders on a temporary timeout.

A couple comments saying people can click on the links to see if they like the music, and another comment very briefly explaining the motivation for posting. That's hardly policing. The whole post was inappropriate, but those comments weren't the problem.
posted by Jaltcoh at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2010

Well, it has been deleted.

I don't think it made sense, but the hive mind has spoken. My last post about a funky little band I liked went very well.

The quality of the content was identical, both were random video, album, and record label links.

The difference is I didn't do some cute schtick. If I had done a [single link you tube] to one of the videos, it may well have stuck.

Metafilter is not the best of the web, no-one gave a fuck if the content was good or not, it seems to have become the best written links to whatever-the-fuck on the web. Oh, well you don't have to write a goddamn thing if you put some crap about multi-link-not-youtube-or-vimeo

To some degree this place has become an echo chamber. Crap is completely acceptable if it fits an accepted meme. A decent post that is a tad boring is axed because everybody knows if it reads like a press release you gotta axe it.

My post was so-so I explained further three posts in. It would seem that would fix the issue. Maybe I'll try again and make it all cutesy and use lots of buzzwords and pancakes and plates of beans and hamburgers. Then again, maybe I'll skip it.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Hey, I love everybody (seriously - my wife sprinkled a whole bunch of MDMA on my Peanut Butter Cap'n Crunch this morning HUG ME) but this whole popcorn/waiting for the flameout stuff really bums me out.
posted by mintcake! at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2010 [4 favorites]

A decent post that is a tad boring is axed because everybody knows if it reads like a press release you gotta axe it.

Look, I'm sorry this didn't go your way. I tried. It was clear some people liked it. That said, your other post was totally different, explained why the band was quirky and interesting, why someone who hadn't heard of them might be interested in clicking the links. Today's post... didn't. The question isn't really whether people will find something of value in any particular post, it's "Why did you decide to tell us about this?" and I felt that your older post answered that question significantly better.

Again, I apologize, I definitely could have personally handled this better. That said, you may want ot just walk this off instead of staying here to fight about it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2010

I'm going to read this thread now but first I just wanted to say that I lived in the dorm freshman year with three of the members of Mahjongg back in the day. They were in a ska band. Mid-90s, you know.
posted by Bookhouse at 7:39 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

I, like Antidis, get frustrated when I see that some subset of users has heard 'flag it and move on' so often that they do, instead of doing what they should do if they don't like a particular post, which is Stay Out Of It. Has the verb flagshitting been coined yet? No one is making you read posts you don't like folks.
posted by baserunner73 at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

They were in a ska band. Mid-90s, you know.

"Father, may I ask you a question?"
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2010 [2 favorites]

The post wasn't fabulous but it wasn't any worse than any number of "check out this band/music" type of posts, a few of which are on the frontpage right now. It should've stayed. The threadshitting was the problem.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2010 [7 favorites]

I like Eleh a lot.

But I don't usually tell anybody, because I figure that they might not dig it, and plus most of their releases are limited editions, or out of print and expensive, and I don't need the goddamn competition.
posted by box at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2010

Jessamyn, no need for an apology. You are the enforcer of the local mores, you have to do what everyone thinks is best, I understand.

Yes, the post was nowhere near my best, but it was nowhere near as bad as pretty much every [m]slyt post, where is the editorial content there?

I'm not here to fight, I just wanted to comment on the behavior of the people that had a cheerio pissing festival, and move on.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 7:52 PM on July 28, 2010

I'm not here to fight, I just wanted to comment on the behavior of the people that had a cheerio pissing festival, and move on.

Translation: I wanted to run past and slap some people, not fight with them, and I was quite astonished when they slapped back!
posted by thedaniel at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2010 [3 favorites]

Have the recipes started to show up in this thread yet?
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2010

Let this frood be your inspiration.
posted by gomichild at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Yeah, this thread is anger heavy and food and bizarro free, so far.
posted by angrycat at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2010

Antidisestablishmentarianist: “I'm not here to fight, I just wanted to comment on the behavior of the people that had a cheerio pissing festival, and move on.”

Dude, I think first of all you shouldn't take this too personally. Posts get deleted. It happens all the time. I know you've generally posted stuff of such quality and care that this doesn't happen to you a whole lot, but trust me - it happens to some of us all the time. And that's okay.

Second, I want to say - sorry, but it really wasn't a great post at all. The previous post you say had the "exact same format" was nothing like this post. This post was the name of the band, some relatively brief, cut off, or otherwise inaccessible examples of some odd moments during their live shows, a link to their record label, a link to the Pitchfork review, and a link to the main site for the Pitchfork Music Festival. (And there's another really weirdly-formatted link right after the Pitchfork Music Festival one where you manage to squeeze a link to a Youtube video into apparently empty space. I'd like to know how the hell that even works, but anyway...) That's not a good post. It doesn't really have good examples of the band's music (I find them interesting, and have been sort of keeping tabs on them for a while) and it doesn't expose people to them. It's basically just a Youtube interview, a few live clips, and a Pitchfork review.

And yes, I could do a post like this every day of the week. More to the point: we're not a music trackback blog or a review site. I look at Pitchfork just about every other day or so (know thy enemy) and I see interesting or strange or odd things like this there every day; do we need a repost of all of them? I hear about really neat bands all the time from Pitchfork and Resident Advisor and Perfect Sound Forever all the time; does every really neat band that I discover that I love really need to be brought up here?

Sorry; I know you found them really interesting, and I get that, but I don't think it warrants a post, because I'm almost certain that what you found interesting about Mahjongg isn't in the post there. What you found interesting is you saw them live and they were really great, or you got their record and it was awesome. But nobody reading the post can see that. All they can see is that Pitchfork liked it. Yeah, "best of the web" is an awkward and inaccurate way to say it, but the whole point of the "focus on the links" mentality here is that, unless there are links in a post, there's really not much. In your post, I didn't see much in the links. And I don't see how anybody could go over those meager clips or the brief, nonsensical review (it is Pitchfork) and come away a fan of Mahjongg.

Finally, unfortunately I have a feeling that what people really hated was that you linked to Pitchfork in the post just as many times as you linked to performances by the band. And people hate Pitchfork. That's just how it is. They love to hate Pitchfork. Mentioning Pitchfork once in a post is generally the kiss of death; linking to them twice pretty much sealed that post's doom. And honestly, while I think threadshitting is awful, I did hover for a while over the "post" button on a snarky comment for that thread; to wit:

If Mahjongg has gotten a favorable review from P-Fork and a spot in their music festival, and yet "have not achieved widespread fame as yet" ... well, wait five minutes. We'll all hear about them plenty then. Which is why the post wasn't really necessary at all.

I know this seems harsh, but again, it's just Metafilter; it's not personal. You post good stuff so often that I have a feeling you're just not used to having people react like this, but trust me, it's pretty common here. And as long as you ignore the extremists and take it in stride, it shouldn't be a big deal.
posted by koeselitz at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2010 [5 favorites]

Maybe I'll try again and make it all cutesy and use lots of buzzwords and pancakes and plates of beans and hamburgers.

I pretty much tried to stay out of it once I said my peace but if this is what you take away from this... ?!

I, like Antidis, get frustrated when I see that some subset of users has heard 'flag it and move on' so often that they do, instead of doing what they should do if they don't like a particular post, which is Stay Out Of It. Has the verb flagshitting been coined yet? No one is making you read posts you don't like folks.

Maybe you don't understand the point of MetaTalk. I posted this under Policy for a reason--because I wanted a clarification on whether posting press releases to the Blue was now acceptable. Maybe you think I should have just ignored it, but obviously, I don't agree with you. Which is why I used MetaTalk for the purpose for which it was created.

In addition to calling me an asshole for doing so, Anti is in here barking about mlyt and slyt posts. Well, guess what: those didn't used to be on MeFi either. And when they started, people made MeTa posts about them to complain and ask if they were an appropriate use of Metafilter. They were shouted down, for the most part. Same goes for Newsfilter. And now newsfilter and youtube posts are bread-and-butter.

Personally, I don't like press release posts and would rather not see them all over the blue every day. You're welcome to disagree, but don't cry that MeTa was used properly and you weren't happy with the results.
posted by dobbs at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2010 [4 favorites]

Really, this meta thread will get many more people to look at that post than would have if it had scrolled down the front page and disappeared, so no worries there.

It wasn't a press release, it was a poorly written fan post. There is a difference.

It got deleted, such is life, I'll try again or I won't. C'est la vie.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Since I can't start my own metatalk thread right now, can I piggy back on this one to call out Aelfwine's obnoxious argumentation in nearly every thread he participates in?
posted by empath at 8:55 PM on July 28, 2010

No. Piggybacking on other people's MeTa threads gives the mods total brainfreeze. Flag the stuff that's totally out of line or email us and we'll handle it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:59 PM on July 28, 2010

> Piggybacking on other people's MeTa threads gives the mods total brainfreeze.

Get those mods some ice cream instead.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:02 PM on July 28, 2010

Really, this meta thread will get many more people to look at that post than would have if it had scrolled down the front page and disappeared, so no worries there.

Yes, and far more of us will have negative associations with your username than would have it if the post had scrolled down the front page and disappeared. So no worries.

People are allowed to dislike your posts, dislike your comments, dislike you as a person, like your mother, etc. Nobody is universally liked. Combatively engaging with every person who dares criticize you, both in your original thread and here, is not going to win a lot of points.
posted by resiny at 10:21 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

To some degree this place has become an echo chamber.

An echo chamber?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:33 PM on July 28, 2010 [15 favorites]

Also, 123 comments between this MeTa and MeFi, and 0 usages of 'Your Favourite Band Sucks'? You are slipping, people.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:39 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

chamber chamber chamber
posted by Meatbomb at 11:24 PM on July 28, 2010 [1 favorite]

Everyone needs a Huguenot.
posted by pracowity at 11:47 PM on July 28, 2010

Devils Rancher: "We could try that chemical where if you pee in the pool, your pee turns blue, but The Blue is already blue, so I think that wouldn't work. Other than that, I'm fresh out of ideas"

Did that chemical ever actually exist? I always assumed it was an urban legend to frighten kids into using the toilet.
posted by the latin mouse at 11:58 PM on July 28, 2010

Pope Guilty writes "So the one post is 'this band exists'.

"The other post is a funny reworking of Nine Inch Nails lyrics mixed with Christmas songs.

"The third is a comedy video which mocks our culture's attitudes toward sex offenders.

"So one post is nothing more than 'this band exists', and the other two are links to things that are funny.

"I can see how you could have a hard time seeing the difference."

Your complaint with Antidisestablishmentarianist's post is "Why should anybody care?" encapsulated in your "...and?" a mere minute after the post went live (IE: obviously too quickly to have actually have perused and contemplated the links). Your two posts also give us no reason for caring. In your opinion they are awesome, I guess or you wouldn't have posted them, but that doesn't tell the readership "Why should anybody care?". On that metric I see no difference.

To be clear I don't think there was anything wrong with either Antidisestablishmentarianist's post or either of yours (though the Noel's one is a touch mystery meatish). I don't tend to read posts where the OP can't be bothered to describe the links but they are popular and I've come to terms with that. It just appears to me that you are holding Antidisestablishmentarianist to a different standard than you hold yourself. And instead of FIAMO you drop a first comment derail demanding the poster defend the post; and we all know how crappy that usually goes whether the OP responds or not.
posted by Mitheral at 12:03 AM on July 29, 2010

I gotta get my Michael Gira post together one of these days. He's reforming Swans, how badass is that?

I've got a signed copy of Sountracks for the Blind, and also of his book, The Consumer, from when I saw them in Amsterdam on their farewell tour.

I was considering offering them up for the loquacious auction, but thought there mightn't be any takers, and it's expensive to send stuff overseas on spec like that...

I'd have to check, but I think Jarboe also signed the CD.
posted by UbuRoivas at 12:05 AM on July 29, 2010

Mitheral, my posts have content- something interesting or unique. What gets me about the post in question is that it is, as a post, complete shit. It's a couple of Pitchfork reviews and a couple of links to songs. You can complain about my framing, but I link to interesting things. This is some random-ass band that not only are we given no reason to care about, but there's no there there. I literally do not see any reason for the post to have gone up. It's nothing but an advertisement for a band.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:44 AM on July 29, 2010

Damn you to hell, Ubu.

The Consumer really squicked me out - it's brilliant. I considered giving Gira a few hundred bucks to go towards the new record, and he'd send me a little signed picture, but really what I want is the book and the albums signed, and sending those over to New York and actually expecting them back the way I want them just strikes me as a recipe for disaster, so in the end I just sat there and did nothing.
posted by turgid dahlia at 12:48 AM on July 29, 2010

Wait...I'll give you fifty bucks and a slab for the record and the book.
posted by turgid dahlia at 12:52 AM on July 29, 2010

Since I can't start my own metatalk thread right now, can I piggy back on this one to call out Aelfwine's obnoxious argumentation in nearly every thread he participates in?

You fucking asshole. Can I do that here without Jessamyn deleting my post? I'm claiming precedent. Does this mean I get my very own meta thread when you can post? OH JOY!!!

On topic why was this deleted? Granted it was kinda of poorly written but it's not like there aren't a bunch of worthless SLYT post everyday that don't get deleted.
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 12:56 AM on July 29, 2010

fucking asshole
Just because you're a native speaker there's no need to show off with the Anglo-Saxon, AElfwine.
posted by Abiezer at 1:19 AM on July 29, 2010 [5 favorites]

Oh no! Not another fucking elf!
posted by loquacious at 1:57 AM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Is it okay if, sometimes, I move on without even flagging?
posted by anotherpanacea at 4:06 AM on July 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

Really, this meta thread will get many more people to look at that post than would have if it had scrolled down the front page and disappeared, so no worries there.

This. I always wonder if people realize this when they post callouts in MeTa.
posted by Jaltcoh at 4:09 AM on July 29, 2010

Finally, unfortunately I have a feeling that what people really hated was that you linked to Pitchfork in the post just as many times as you linked to performances by the band. And people hate Pitchfork. That's just how it is. They love to hate Pitchfork. Mentioning Pitchfork once in a post is generally the kiss of death; linking to them twice pretty much sealed that post's doom.

I really don't think this is true. There have been other FPPs about Pitchfork, and people liked them because they were interesting.
posted by Jaltcoh at 4:16 AM on July 29, 2010

this is not what MetaFilter is for

I paid $5 for MetaFilter. MetaFilter is for me.
posted by doublehappy at 4:35 AM on July 29, 2010

You know, too much popcorn makes you feel sick.
posted by fourcheesemac at 5:32 AM on July 29, 2010

Why is it always popcorn, anyway? I get Junior Mints when I go to the movies!
posted by Astro Zombie at 5:42 AM on July 29, 2010

You fucking asshole.

You must be great at parties.
posted by empath at 5:47 AM on July 29, 2010

Wait...I'll give you fifty bucks and a slab for the record and the book.

So, like cost price plus some awful XXXX?

I checked again, and I have no idea what the thing under Michael's signature is. It's like an elaborate pictogram. There's something that looks like a 'b' and something that looks like an 'o', so I'm going with the theory that it was Jarboe. Either her, or maybe it was a doodle by Anselm Adams.

I didn't have much luck verifying the signature, though - a search for "jarboe's signature" turns up some strange shit.
posted by UbuRoivas at 5:56 AM on July 29, 2010

Clearly , the only way to get what you want ...is to become a moderator yourself.
posted by The Whelk at 6:21 AM on July 29, 2010

Let's see, I post quality content, my comments are generally well liked, if I get called out on shaky• grounds I go slightly postal. Sounds pretty average for this place. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

• the complaints had merit, I give you that, but bad enough for a "metafilter is doomed!" callout?
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 6:29 AM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Everyone will get a MeTa callout eventually, don't sweat it.
posted by empath at 6:43 AM on July 29, 2010

Metafilter is domed.
posted by ob at 6:52 AM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Why is it always popcorn, anyway? I get Junior Mints when I go to the movies!

If we had the bulletin board thing going on, I'd totally post a poll because hey, Raisinets!
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:55 AM on July 29, 2010

Clearly , the only way to get what you want ...is to become a moderator yourself.

Six years into my stealth campaign I can inform you it's going really, really slowly.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:57 AM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

The Whelk: "Clearly , the only way to get what you want ...is to become a moderator yourself"

So, according to the Principa Discordia, are we all mods as well as popes?
posted by charred husk at 7:07 AM on July 29, 2010

Jaltcoh: “I really don't think this is true. There have been other FPPs about Pitchfork, and people liked them because they were interesting.”

Well... maybe, I guess. I think it's possible to mention Pitchfork. I was just trying to figure out why what is (for its very real faults) just another very mediocre post got a whole bunch of flags and nasty comments, and Pitchfork is the only reason I can come up with. And I do remember a bunch of Pitchfork hate on the blue, though I'm not going to google it up right now.

Basically, I think it boils down to the fact that mentioning Pitchfork is a hairs-breadth away from mentioning Hipsters; and when you mention Hipsters on the blue, people begin to foam at the mouth and mutter obscene threats, and if somebody doesn't step in quickly they're likely to commence tearing apart small animals in their pullulating incandescent rage. I have a feeling the rabid wolves were just gathering around this one because they smelled hipster blood.
posted by koeselitz at 7:18 AM on July 29, 2010

Everyone will get a MeTa callout eventually, don't sweat it.

That's not what they told me when I paid for the policy.
posted by vapidave at 7:22 AM on July 29, 2010

If Flag It And Move On is too complicated for you, try just Move On.
posted by tommasz at 8:14 AM on July 29, 2010

You could also try to move on up.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:16 AM on July 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

What is a "hipster?" Like, a jazz cat?
posted by jtron at 8:45 AM on July 29, 2010

No, no. It's "hep cat" and "jizzster".
posted by Burhanistan at 8:50 AM on July 29, 2010

Metafilter: Continuing to exist sets a bad precedent.
posted by Ironmouth at 9:05 AM on July 29, 2010

Basically, I think it boils down to the fact that mentioning Pitchfork is a hairs-breadth away from mentioning Hipsters; and when you mention Hipsters on the blue, people begin to foam at the mouth and mutter obscene threats, and if somebody doesn't step in quickly they're likely to commence tearing apart small animals in their pullulating incandescent rage. I have a feeling the rabid wolves were just gathering around this one because they smelled hipster blood.

The monolithic "they" also like to name anything remotely trendy that they hate as a hipster, regardless of how well that designation might fit.

I never thought that "emo" would be replaced as the nails-on-chalk-board word to describe people, but here we are.
posted by codacorolla at 9:05 AM on July 29, 2010

Pitchfork is a completely different creature than what they were 10, even 5 years ago. They are now simply a depository of informed but mostly unsurprising reviews. PitchforkTV is awesome, and they do a decent job of ferreting out unique new sounds and interesting bands, even if most of that comes from semi-sketchy payola relationships with the PR companies, they still at least provide original coverage for a wide-variety of brand new music. It's not in-depth criticism, but it's not horribly written pretentious garbage anymore and it hasn't been for a while.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 9:07 AM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Is there a "worst of pitchfork" site that has collected some of the more egregious snobbery? Some days I'm in the mood for some schadenfreude.

Although I guess that wouldn't technically be schadenfreude, but the false rhyme was nice anyway.
posted by Think_Long at 9:13 AM on July 29, 2010

Think_Long: "Is there a "worst of pitchfork" site "

Here you go.
posted by boo_radley at 9:18 AM on July 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

egregious snobbery

Yeah that's what I used to think, in like 2002. Around 2007-08 once they became pretty much the dominant site for reviews of new music, the snobbery started to be replaced by helpful, informative blandness. Now they are essentially the Wikipedia of recent releases. You can hate them for being middle-of-the-road and predictable, but they aren't posting single-image hate reviews or useless stacks of obscure 80s no-fi 7" references instead of addressing the album at hand.

Nevertheless, this was pretty funny if you're into hating pitchfork.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 9:39 AM on July 29, 2010

Bummer. i guess this means an FPP on this summer's k-pop girl group invasion of Japan won't fly.

Well, here's Kara doing a Japanese version of their Korean hit "Mister", better known as the butt-dance song.

I have a sneaking feeling that those girls were chosen less for their talent than their looks, somehow. Just a hunch. (I actually think that such an FPP would be interesting, personally.)

There's a kind of "the worst of Pitchfork" site called Ripfork.
posted by jokeefe at 10:11 AM on July 29, 2010

Quick amendment-- Ripfork trashes all sorts of online music reviews, but has a special category just for Pitchfork.
posted by jokeefe at 10:13 AM on July 29, 2010

Ripfork is either very meta or far more annoying than Pitchfork itself.
posted by josher71 at 10:57 AM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

You must be great at parties.

You're the one trying to piggyback everybody you fucking asshole. :) Being an empath I would have thought you'd be able to sense that shit up in da house like Deanna Troi and shit.
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 12:33 PM on July 29, 2010

> eing an empath I would have thought you'd be able to sense that shit up in da house like Deanna Troi and shit.

Perhaps MeFi should be 21 and up to prevent this kind of comment?
posted by Burhanistan at 12:34 PM on July 29, 2010

I'm not calling you a fucking asshole because I actually think you're a fucking asshole I'm just kinda jazzed that I can do that here and not get my post sniped by a mod. I'm actually flattered by all the attention. In a southern belle accent: A meta post....Fah meh. Why empath you shouldn't have.
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 12:36 PM on July 29, 2010

what in the world
posted by boo_radley at 12:39 PM on July 29, 2010 [6 favorites]

> I'm just kinda jazzed that I can do that here and not get my post sniped by a mod.

I actually hope they do delete those. Just because you have a bit of leeway to be an ass doesn't mean you have to take it.
posted by Burhanistan at 12:40 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

The quality of the content was identical

Yeah, you know, sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalala I can't hear you" really doesn't play in your favor. More than one commenter has already pointed out that there is a world of difference between your older post and this one. Instead of pointedly ignoring those posts, how about giving them some consideration and trying to learn from that?

Or else you can continue being such a special snowflake that your posts should go unquestionned and unflagged and that not following that edict means we're all assholes. I mean, either way, right?
posted by splice at 12:41 PM on July 29, 2010

What a ridiculous turn for this to take.
posted by SpiffyRob at 12:51 PM on July 29, 2010

I actually hope they do delete those.

We're not going to. The basic drill is: people should be more decent to each other than they are being in this thread. This thread contains many wonderful examples of what not to do anywhere else but this thread.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:53 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

The give-'em-enough-rope nature of MetaTalk is a blessing and a curse, or perhaps a cure and a disease.
posted by box at 12:58 PM on July 29, 2010

Well, I mean, he's been obnoxious in pretty much every thread I've seen him participate in, why stop now.
posted by empath at 1:00 PM on July 29, 2010

*gives everyone a hug*
posted by UbuRoivas at 1:01 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Splice, I lost my cool, and if you read above, I have admitted it wasn't the best post, but I am still saying the callout was a bit over the top. I think that is a fair position to take, and will make sure my next post is better.

What would you bid me do, lash myself with a cat of nine tails and post a video? MeFi needs a shake up now and again, takes a guy with a thick skin to do that and come out smiling.

reminds me of that old adage: Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty but only the pig will enjoy it.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 1:44 PM on July 29, 2010

Yes, I'm the pig.

Group hug time!

What do you mean I smell?
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 1:45 PM on July 29, 2010

Calling people assholes and saying you're doing it because you love the attention is what passes for trolling 'round most parts. These parts aren't so different in that regard.
posted by rtha at 1:53 PM on July 29, 2010

I like to watch the pig wrestle.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 1:55 PM on July 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

Reading comprehension much? I am saying a) I lost my cool b) argued with people c) admitted I made a mistake and came out smiling.

Trolling is if I did it on purpose, loosing my cool means I'm not a troll. I didn't plan for a shakeup, but it happened anyway. I can feel bad or learn from it and move on.

Learning from it, moving on. Try the moving on part, its nice.

Go far young man, go far.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 1:58 PM on July 29, 2010

What would you bid me do, lash myself with a cat of nine tails and post a video?

I'm sure you'll just declaw the cat so the lashes don't hurt.
posted by qvantamon at 2:01 PM on July 29, 2010

I love you to empath. I also love Antidisestablishmentarianist his cool name and taste in music. Group hug.
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 2:02 PM on July 29, 2010

Antidisestablishmentarianist: “Reading comprehension much?”

(Er – he's totally not talking about you, my friend. Look to the elf.)
posted by koeselitz at 2:10 PM on July 29, 2010

Antidisestablishmentariast, I'm pretty sure that rtha's comment was not directed at you.
posted by malocchio at 2:11 PM on July 29, 2010

rtha is a she not a he. Or a hawk.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:13 PM on July 29, 2010

Ah, I did misread. Very funny of me to call out reading comprehension when not comprehending.

Sorry rtha!
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 2:15 PM on July 29, 2010

... and I'm sorry, too – "he?" Yeesh. Many apologies, rtha.
posted by koeselitz at 2:18 PM on July 29, 2010

I'm totally a hawk! You take that back, Burhanistan!

(It's cool, Anti - I think the "do you have a reading comprehension problem??!" comment while having a reading comprehension problem is one of those things that happens, like snarking about someone's spelling or grammar and making with the typos. I was really confused for a minute, though!)
posted by rtha at 2:21 PM on July 29, 2010

And I'm going to apologize for spelling "Antidisestablishmentarianist" wrong! My fingers started to get tired towards the end, there.
posted by malocchio at 2:21 PM on July 29, 2010

*gives everyone a hug*

NSFW. I just got fired.
posted by Elmore at 3:22 PM on July 29, 2010

oi, giving hugs is my special snowflakeyness ;p
posted by infini at 3:25 PM on July 29, 2010

Getting fired is my special snowflakeyness. Or as my ex bosses put it, my flakiness.
posted by Elmore at 3:28 PM on July 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

Hey, I just got fired last week! We can be job-hunting buddies!

Let's get high.
posted by BeerFilter at 4:26 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I've been fired forever. The hugs, they do nothing!
posted by Splunge at 4:36 PM on July 29, 2010

Last weekend, crossing the pedestrian bridge over Geary at Steiner a big bird flew just inches over my head and disappeared high into a pine tree in the Kimbell Playground. I stood on the bridge until I could find it, it was a beautiful Red Tailed Hawk, standing on a branch stalking the pigeons.

I wanted to see it kill so I stayed there for 20 minutes or so until it flew away.

A lot of people walked by, saw me staring, glanced at the tree for a second or two and continued walking. A couple with a dog spotted the hawk and sat down to look at it. A drunk homeless dude saw it too and yelled "Red Assed Hawk".

I had one of those altered consciousness moments where time flows differently. The hawk, the couple, the homeless dude and me were all still and calm and in the moment, while around us thousands of cars and bicycles and people where running around in a blur. Even the sound of traffic went away and I could hear the pigeons and the blackbirds and the wind in the pine needles.

The point of this story is twofold.

First, since rtha mentioned a crow's nest in the Skechers sign in the Mission and I went to see it, I've been paying a lot more attention to what happens over my head in the city. It is beautiful, I owe her that.

Second, go outside, take a walk, it beats the hell out of winning arguments on metafilter.
posted by dirty lies at 4:40 PM on July 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

UNEMPLOYMENT PARTY

BYOB
posted by The Whelk at 4:40 PM on July 29, 2010

Bullshit callout/deletion...I mean, WHAT THE FUCK? Have you all been chugging haterade and peeing in each other's wheaties all week?

This post was just as good if not better than the average music post on metafilter, but I guess haterz gotta hate.
posted by schyler523 at 4:43 PM on July 29, 2010

So, where's the beer?
posted by ericb at 5:03 PM on July 29, 2010

BYOBBB

The extra B is for Better Beer!

the other B is a typo
posted by The Whelk at 5:04 PM on July 29, 2010

BYOMONOYOUDIDNT
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 5:07 PM on July 29, 2010

Oy, a protest post. Cut this crap out.
posted by argybarg at 5:11 PM on July 29, 2010

You know, I get that you wanted to make a point there, but you could also have made a little effort to make a good post in the process. Or, you know, not done anything. Either way.
posted by Gator at 5:11 PM on July 29, 2010

a long long time in the hull below ..long time ago
posted by The Whelk at 5:17 PM on July 29, 2010

schyler523, please do not ever do that again.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:35 PM on July 29, 2010

reminds me of that old adage: Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty but only the pig will enjoy it.

Not if it's a hot blooded SEX PIGGY!

Sex Piggy
Shakin' and Quakin'
So smokin' hot like smokey bacon
C'mon piggy, pork loins for tea
You're my sex piggy, sex piggy

Sex Piggy
You know what I am
I'm just a guy who likes slammin' some ham
gammon piggy, squealin' for me
You're my sex piggy, sex piggy

Sex piggy
I gotta applaud
Wanna do you with my big pork sword
C'mon piggy, oink when we boink
You're my sex piggy, sex piggy
Sex Piggy, Sex Piggy!

With apologies to Foreigner and all exposed to my damaged, damaged psyche
posted by Sparx at 8:04 PM on July 29, 2010 [2 favorites]

If I hear or see the lame, mundane, miserable and plainly ignorant phrase:

Haters gotta/gonna hate one more time.

One more ignorant, brainless, clueless, childish time.

One more placeholder and forget what I said time.

One more I haven't got a clue but you don't like what I do time.

I'm just going to stew in my own anger for a while. Because I can't make you understand the level, the fury of my hate.

I rarely hate anything. I dislike things. I may even mention my dislike of a thing. I may step upon your toes, in an ego annoying way.

I may even elucidate, and explain my dislike.

But when some mouth-breathing, adenoid afflicted, clueless individual goes that way.

Haters gotta hate.

I hate!

I fucking hate that.

Do you have an opinion? Then speak it.

Do you disagree with me? The explain.

Fuck that haters crap. People will disagree. How does that work for you?

Morons.
posted by Splunge at 8:14 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I have a redtailed hawk pal. My office faces a leafy campus quad with a few big trees. We've had a red-tail pair hunting on campus for several years now (although they actually nest in a nearby park, I think the tame squirrels, pigeons, and possibly rats of an urban college campus are easy pickings). Once in a while the male decides to take a different position from the tree he's usually in and will park himself on my window sill for as long as 10 or 20 minutes, literally inches from my chair. It always adds a magical note to the day when it happens.

He doesn't even seem to know I exist. Even when I make noise behind the glass (it's never happened when the window's been open) he barely stirs.

I love raptors. They're so fucking other.
posted by fourcheesemac at 8:21 PM on July 29, 2010 [3 favorites]

I don't know if I agree with Splunge or if I was called a moron.
posted by cjorgensen at 8:23 PM on July 29, 2010

haters gonna hate
haters gotta hate
taters gonna tate
posted by Burhanistan at 8:23 PM on July 29, 2010

Sorry for the "stunt" post, I didn't actually see it as a stunt post, I was trying to salvage a post from the deleted post that wasn't press releasey. I guess it didn't look good that I posted it a few minutes after i posted my last comment in this thread. We've had so many single and multi post youtube posts that are just music that I thought that would fly (seriously, I didn't think it would get deleted.)

If posts that rely on introducing a lesser well known band to metafilter are not kosher then why did these (1, 2, 3) stand?

Searched tags for "music", looked for posts with several youtube links and pressreleasey text.

I think I've just grown tired of average posts getting the axe because a small group of people decide that they are going to be squeaky wheels.

Mahjongg on the KEXP live show podcast.
posted by schyler523 at 8:30 PM on July 29, 2010

cortex is camping

I just read Christopher Dickey's book about his relationship with his dad, so I'm thinking of Deliverance.
posted by lukemeister at 8:33 PM on July 29, 2010

“You can run and tell that... homeboy.”
posted by koeselitz at 9:32 PM on July 29, 2010

schyler -- 1 and 2 both sucked and should have been deleted, too. Post 3 was more substantial.
posted by empath at 9:35 PM on July 29, 2010

schyler523: “If posts that rely on introducing a lesser well known band to metafilter are not kosher then why did these (1, 2, 3) stand?”

Because they had quality links of the band actually, y'know, playing music. This post didn't. Like I said, there is literally no way you could go through the links in this post and come away a fan of Mahjongg, and I say that as someone who listens to them and likes them. Even one good link to a band playing a full song is a great Mefi post, if it's not a terrible song and people want to hear it. But this post didn't even have that.

This isn't some kind of anti-music-post elitism. The problem was that that wasn't a music post. The post was clearly about something that wasn't in the post, and it didn't give people any easy way to find that something. Anti clearly heard their record, or saw them live, and thought they were great – which is perfectly legitimate – and then expressed that through a couple of really weak links. It'd be the same way if I made a post about William Faulkner that consisted entirely of a three-line biography of him on a Geocities site, three blurry 300x300 photos of him I found on images.google.com, and the Amazon page for Go Down, Moses! There'd be nothing there but enthusiasm for William Faulkner, and while that's great, I should at least, y'know, link to his writing, since he was after all a writer. Otherwise there's no way for people to actually get what it is you're talking about without doing a lot of digging.
posted by koeselitz at 9:44 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

I love raptors. They're so fucking other.

There are a pair of Swainson's Hawks that have nested in one my trees for the last three years. Here's the male trying to eat his lunch. When there are chicks in the nest the female will dive bomb me from behind when I go outside. There's a very specific noise the local sparrows make when she does it so I usually have a second or two of warning before I feel the whoosh of her attack go over my head.
posted by Tenuki at 11:17 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Christopher Dickey's book about his relationship with his dad
Some erudite and perspicacious member here once made a post of an essay by Dickey.
posted by Abiezer at 11:31 PM on July 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

Bullshit callout/deletion...I mean, WHAT THE FUCK? Have you all been chugging haterade and peeing in each other's wheaties all week?

This post was just as good if not better than the average music post on metafilter, but I guess haterz gotta hate.

what is it like to be wrong about things
posted by Mikey-San at 2:00 AM on July 30, 2010

Splunge: "Haters gotta hate.
I hate!
I fucking hate that.
Do you have an opinion? Then speak it.
Do you disagree with me? The explain.
Fuck that haters crap. People will disagree. How does that work for you?
Morons."

I don't know if it was your intention Slpunge, that actually pretty poetic. Someone from MefiMusic get to recording this!
posted by charred husk at 6:15 AM on July 30, 2010

Splunge: "Haters gotta hate.
I hate!
I fucking hate that.
Do you have an opinion? Then speak it.
Do you disagree with me? The explain.
Fuck that haters crap. People will disagree. How does that work for you?
Morons."

U MAD
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:51 AM on July 30, 2010 [3 favorites]

So, like cost price plus some awful XXXX?

I would go as far as Cascade. Premium. Light.
posted by turgid dahlia at 7:04 AM on July 30, 2010

So, the solution is to join the squeaky wheel brigade? Every post that isn't perfect gets flagged? That's a shitty way to impose your preferences on a community.

Mikey-san, Go Hug Yourself.
posted by schyler523 at 7:22 AM on July 30, 2010

Sincere question: In light of the recent metathreads, is there going to be an attempt to set the bar for posting a little higher now?

I won't complain, mind you, but that means I'm going to have to put my "kitty eats broccoli" post on the back burner for now . . .
posted by Think_Long at 7:30 AM on July 30, 2010

So, the solution is to join the squeaky wheel brigade?

You may be in a different platoon than the others, but it's pretty clear you've enlisted.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 7:41 AM on July 30, 2010 [2 favorites]

I would go as far as Cascade. Premium. Light.

So here we are, now whaddawe get?
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
And it's just like...breathing.
It's just like...breathing...water.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:19 AM on July 30, 2010

whoops, link.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:24 AM on July 30, 2010 [1 favorite]

it beats the hell out of winning arguments on metafilter.

That happens?
posted by Trochanter at 9:25 AM on July 30, 2010

You can win arguments on Metafilter?
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:48 AM on July 30, 2010

You can win arguments on Metafilter?

On rare occasions. Losing them is far more likely, though.
posted by zarq at 10:08 AM on July 30, 2010

I win all my arguments on Metafilter in the comfort of my own mind.
posted by rtha at 10:11 AM on July 30, 2010

No you don't.
posted by Think_Long at 10:15 AM on July 30, 2010

Imam Shafii used to pray that a debate would be won on the lips of his opponent. He was just interested in getting to the heart of the matter rather than snarky one-upmanship.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:17 AM on July 30, 2010 [1 favorite]

“You can run and tell that... homeboy. ”

Thanks for ruining my keyboard Koeselitz it's now gummed up with the mouthful of soda i just spat all over it.

On rare occasions. Losing them is far more likely, though.

How do you know if you won or not? Do you get some kind of congratulatory mefi mail from one of the mods?
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 10:21 AM on July 30, 2010

Yeah, you've never received one?
posted by Think_Long at 10:22 AM on July 30, 2010

How do you know if you won or not?

The Mortal Combat theme plays.
posted by zarq at 10:36 AM on July 30, 2010 [1 favorite]

Yeah, you've never received one?

My last one came with a suitable-for-framing PDF certifying my victory, a coupon for a discount on a toaster oven and a free* two-week time share in Cabo!
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:37 AM on July 30, 2010

You can win arguments on Metafilter?

Shelby Foote says this about Abraham Lincoln:

Asked how he enjoyed his office, he told of a
tarred and feathered man out West, who, as he was
being ridden out of town on a rail, heard one among
the crowd call to him, asking how he liked it, high up
there on his uncomfortable perch. "If it wasn't for the
honor of the thing," the man replied, "I'd sooner
walk."

posted by Trochanter at 10:39 AM on July 30, 2010 [1 favorite]

Or perhaps, Pyrrhus of Epirus:

"Another such victory and I am undone."
posted by Trochanter at 10:45 AM on July 30, 2010

WOPR sez that the only way to win is not to play.

We are talking about global thermonuclear war, right?
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 10:51 AM on July 30, 2010 [1 favorite]

I won't complain, mind you, but that means I'm going to have to put my "kitty eats broccoli" post on the back burner for now . . .

Is it a hipster kitten?
posted by zarq at 11:37 AM on July 30, 2010

Is it this broccoli?
posted by EvaDestruction at 11:43 AM on July 30, 2010

is it this kitten?

That kitten fucking LOVES Broccoli
posted by The Whelk at 11:46 AM on July 30, 2010 [2 favorites]

. . . you fucking post jacker you.
posted by Think_Long at 11:59 AM on July 30, 2010

The Mortal Combat theme plays.

Which version?
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 12:14 PM on July 30, 2010

I maintain that MK I is a legitimately good movie that can be viewed several times.
posted by Think_Long at 12:51 PM on July 30, 2010

Mikey-san, Go Hug Yourself.

i think we should be BFF
posted by Mikey-San at 1:01 PM on July 30, 2010

I just want to say I really really like the re-cut/autotuned song version of that brain-roasted dude freaking out about seeing a double rainbow. (There are several autotune-the-rainbow type parodies, I mean the good one with million and a half plays as of yesterday.) I believe it really was best of the web there for a couple of nanoseconds but it's clearly not fpp material so I'll just bury this down here where nobody but cat scanners will ever see it.
posted by jfuller at 2:46 PM on July 30, 2010

. . . you fucking post jacker you.

Dude you say Kitten eating Broccoli and I'm gonna look for it. I'm not a robot.
posted by The Whelk at 6:17 PM on July 30, 2010 [1 favorite]

Kitten eating robot.

Can't wait to see what The Whelk finds!
posted by cjorgensen at 8:03 PM on July 30, 2010

WARNING DO NOT HYPHENATE KITTEN AND EATING IN THAT SEARCH
posted by Devils Rancher at 9:23 PM on July 30, 2010 [2 favorites]

Mikey-San: Totez for realz. BFFs.

P.S. I'm sorry for the slow-burn flameout...I'd take a non-ironic real hug now.

Sorry for ruining Metafilter for a few minutes.
posted by schyler523 at 12:05 AM on July 31, 2010

I just want to say I really really like the re-cut/autotuned song version of that brain-roasted dude freaking out about seeing a double rainbow.

It sounds just like Bon Iver!
posted by Karlos the Jackal at 2:10 AM on July 31, 2010

Did y'all know there's a reality show wherein Paris Hilton tortures schlubs who want to be her BFF?

I was fucking glued to the TV. I watched three episodes before I realized that if I watched anymore my brain might have started eating itself in desperation
posted by angrycat at 8:01 AM on July 31, 2010

I've been paying a lot more attention to what happens over my head in the city

dirtylies, I was thinking of you when I was standing at the car wash at 16th and South Van Ness, just a little while ago. All the pigeons started freaking out. A minute later, an enormous peregrine shot overhead; she didn't appear to be hunting - she was Going Somewhere. But every pigeon vanished as if it had never existed.
posted by rtha at 9:19 AM on July 31, 2010

http://www.metafilter.com/94281/Sisyphean-box stays but Antidisestablishmentarianist's post gets deleted? I don't understand.
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 4:12 PM on July 31, 2010 [1 favorite]

yeah that box is so fucking awesome u take that back
posted by angrycat at 4:44 PM on July 31, 2010

Another
posted by unSane at 6:31 PM on August 1, 2010

yeah.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:16 AM on August 2, 2010

Yep, it's amazing what happens when the first comment isn't someone dumping in the thread a minute after posting.
posted by Mitheral at 9:10 AM on August 2, 2010

That's a matter of etiquette, and doesn't really have any bearing on whether it should be a FPP or not (in the abstract.)

I thought mrgrimm's answer in the Gonzalez thread (the linked free EP adding substance, making it more than PR for My Favorite Band) was a good point.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:17 AM on August 2, 2010

snuffleupagus, there were lots of additional links in my thread. Bzzt, try again.

I think it goes back to that whole thing about mob rule being eeeeee-vil.

I take it upon myself to throw the mud back harder than it hit me in the face, hopefully that either helps, or at least is fun to watch or something.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 2:53 PM on August 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

You're responding to a comment from eleven days ago, dude.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:54 PM on August 13, 2010

I know. I know. You can't trade an eye for an eye like a pokemon for a digimon, but we can all keep trying.
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 2:56 PM on August 13, 2010

Pope, you are responding to a response to a comment from eleven days ago, dude. What is your fucking point?
posted by Antidisestablishmentarianist at 2:56 PM on August 13, 2010