It is Sisyphus with cameraphone hoping to wave the drinks cart his way.

November 12, 2010 6:44 PM

clavdivs: our personal Joyce, or Burroughs, or what?

I should'nt even be doing this. By doing so I reveal meself as not havin the memo but damn if it ain't some kinda nearin tide or somethin. Seaspawn or input error? Better near than he was, all I'm sayin.

posted by yesster to MetaFilter-Related at 6:44 PM (619 comments total)

I took my cue on this issue from the "move over clavdivs!" comment from this classic thread. Says it all, really.
posted by Gator at 6:45 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Go drunk to Dad, bed, you're back.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:46 PM on November 12, 2010 [16 favorites]

He's my personal Joyce Burroughs. You know, that lady at the end of the bar who would get all incohenrent /profound after her 7th gin & rootbeer and then she'd ask for donations to her fund for planetary colonization. Fun, she was.
posted by jonmc at 6:48 PM on November 12, 2010 [5 favorites]

It's pronounced Clav-DIVES.
posted by BeerFilter at 6:49 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

This makes almost as much sense as a bug report filed by my QA team in China. PLEASE TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL!
posted by sanko at 6:51 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

Markov Chains, people...they make look sophisticated, but after a while, anyone can spot em.
posted by hellojed at 6:54 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

clavdivs the god
posted by DU at 6:55 PM on November 12, 2010 [10 favorites]

we had af ling and i got the clapdivs :(
posted by boo_radley at 7:08 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

aye, clavdivs
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:10 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

clavdivs has a page follow him around and remind him that he'll die in california: "Sacramento mori", he whispers into the divine ear, "Sacramento mori".
posted by boo_radley at 7:12 PM on November 12, 2010 [21 favorites]

Aye, clavdivs.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:18 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

We need a Caligvla.
posted by Sailormom at 7:19 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

i'll go to frisco buy a wig and sleep on clavdvsddvvsdvvsdvvdsvsvsss floor
posted by mintcake! at 7:20 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

what am i chopped liver to you people?
posted by The Whelk at 7:29 PM on November 12, 2010 [4 favorites]

Go drunk to Dad, bed, you're back.

You know, for once I am pretty drunk, and not a single one of the comments in this thread so far have made sense. I mean, usually I don't get the Whelk's comments anyhow, but tonight they're like . . . wha?
posted by Think_Long at 7:37 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

I AM THE DISEASE INSIDE OF YOU
posted by The Whelk at 7:39 PM on November 12, 2010 [4 favorites]

clavdivs: our personal Joyce, or Burroughs, or what?

I've voting for 'what'.
posted by malibustacey9999 at 7:39 PM on November 12, 2010 [4 favorites]

OR WHAT
posted by carsonb at 7:41 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

amen stacey
posted by carsonb at 7:41 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

AND HOW
posted by boo_radley at 7:42 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

WHEN

WHERE

WHICH?
posted by The Whelk at 7:42 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

HOW MUCH?
posted by carsonb at 7:43 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

I done me best when I was let.
posted by Joe Beese at 7:47 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

what is this I don't even
posted by jquinby at 7:49 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

To parse, or not to parse. That's always the question.
posted by Trochanter at 7:49 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Hey what's up are you guys on metatalk too
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 7:52 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

I am so metatalk right now.
posted by The Whelk at 7:54 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

I mixed all the remaining absinthe into a super drink and now it's nearly gone. But I still don't get this.
posted by jquinby at 7:55 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Metatalk needs to close up shop on weekends.

Then we can throw a crazy party in the closed up shop!!!!!
posted by MadamM at 7:57 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

INTERNETS PARTY
posted by The Whelk at 8:00 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

yesster: "By doing so I reveal meself as not havin the memo but damn if it ain't some kinda nearin tide or somethin. Seaspawn or input error? Better near than he was, all I'm sayin."

YOU ARE BECOME CLAVDIVS, EMPLOYER OF WORDS
posted by Rhaomi at 8:03 PM on November 12, 2010 [15 favorites]

I took a metatalk and after 30 minutes I wasn't feeling it so I took another and oh you guys are all so awesome I love everybody.
posted by sanko at 8:10 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

I think it's obvious yesster is under the influence of a Stomach Worm.
posted by Sailormom at 8:12 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

IMAGINARY INTERNETS PARTY
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 8:12 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Oh hey it's this week's Friday fun mod thread. Wheeeee!
posted by gingerbeer at 8:12 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Does clavdivs wear a mvvmvv while he vacvvms?

If not, he totally shovld.
posted by amyms at 8:16 PM on November 12, 2010 [12 favorites]

As your lawyer I advise to post a few comments to metatalk.
posted by The Whelk at 8:19 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

As your bartender I advise you to put your damn phone away and go talk to that one, over there.
posted by carsonb at 8:27 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

are you from history?
posted by The Whelk at 8:28 PM on November 12, 2010 [7 favorites]

I was hoping I could be your personal Joyce DeWitt. And three's company too.

Maybe if I brought back "vvendell"?
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:29 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Hey, I want an incoherent callout too!
posted by The Lady is a designer at 8:32 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

clavdivs is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful MeFite I've ever known in my life

not all a post by wctvrs
posted by victors at 8:33 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Maybe if I brought back "vvendell"?

then it'd be a nevver ending story
posted by The Lady is a designer at 8:33 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

lacks underground depravity in burroughs. Joyce was that Irish clap eh? Dynomite good times.
posted by Dano St at 8:41 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

NOW THIS IS MY KIND OF FRIDAY NIGHT
posted by klangklangston at 8:44 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

clavdivs is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful MeFite I've ever known in my life

Did I fall asleep?

Wait why is there all this blood?
posted by The Whelk at 8:44 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

With exquisite languor they tilth the gray fields for nought but beans
posted by loquacious at 8:52 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Because you're comprehensible to the masses
posted by The Lady is a designer at 8:52 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

And I get yelled at for random droppings in grey threads, move over eyeballkid, its my turn to seethe
posted by The Lady is a designer at 8:53 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

I've seen things
posted by The Whelk at 8:57 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

I didn't drop my acid at the predesigated time coordinate.
posted by wv kay in ga at 8:58 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

predesignated, that is.
posted by wv kay in ga at 8:59 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

then why are you an evil dragon?
posted by The Whelk at 9:02 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

Somehow I read that as prestidigitated time coordinate and it still made perfect sense.
posted by loquacious at 9:02 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

my personal Joyce Burroughs

I saw her on Phil Donahue!
posted by octobersurprise at 9:02 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Prosseco, with an absinthe float. That is all.
posted by alltomorrowsparties at 9:03 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

then why are you an evil dragon?

A boy lying on skins behind our back tunes the knobs to a small transistor radio. Now bring me some tacos and a whore.
posted by loquacious at 9:04 PM on November 12, 2010 [5 favorites]

Don't remind me of Joyce, I'm still furiously blushing (like a lady) from the last FPP
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:04 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

predesigated time beats preundesigated time every time. Todd Lokken
posted by Dano St at 9:04 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

I know you're not going to get a real answer here, but I'm glad you asked the question. I have wondered what the deal is, too.
posted by amro at 9:04 PM on November 12, 2010 [4 favorites]

It's been so long. You wouldn't believe what I've been through.
posted by The Whelk at 9:05 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Also, I've said it before but I'll say again... if I didn't know better I'd swear that clavdivs and ethylene are the same person.
posted by amro at 9:06 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

What are you saying, The Whelk?

I have wondered what the deal is, too.

Sibyl?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:07 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

I spent my evening feeling like an X-Man putting out an Imaginary Internet Fire.
posted by The Whelk at 9:08 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

And I get yelled at for random droppings in grey threads, move over eyeballkid, its my turn to seethe

Yeah, you've likely got a callout headed your way, too.
posted by amro at 9:10 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

I hope you get some sleep/rest then. I woke up after just 4 hours ~ it was disturbing nightmare yet it was someone else's, I was simply the confused bystander. Then I get online and see this...

wha...?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:11 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Yeah, you've likely got a callout headed your way, too.

Yeah, the Imaginary Internet Police
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:12 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

he put his disease in me
posted by shakespeherian at 9:23 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

And I get yelled at for random droppings in grey threads, move over eyeballkid, its my turn to seethe

Having a schtick of dropping random lines into threads, over and over again, does not make one charming.

I mean, this is apparently Random Thread, so what the hell, go nuts. But in general, on the site as a whole, don't be surprised if people are annoyed if you're randomly writing whatever comes into your head. This isn't an art space. It's conversation, sometimes on fairly narrowly defined topics. Random speech violates the norms of conversation, and even if you have some internal artist-statement rationale about how you're doing it for the sake of shaking people up or whatever, you're still blundering around in a conversation about something else, and you're effectively trying to make it about you or your artistic goals of randomness. You can't be surprised that people are like "cut it out." Join the conversation or don't, but don't just hang around in the room shouting random stuff.
posted by LobsterMitten at 9:31 PM on November 12, 2010 [32 favorites]

IS EVERYBODY DRUNK?

No? Just me?
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:31 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

My answer is, uncharacteristically, I don't know.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:38 PM on November 12, 2010 [9 favorites]

....I'm confused about fingers. I never see them fing.

but i do see them fnord.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:39 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Having a schtick of dropping random lines into threads, over and over again, does not make one charming.

I mean, this is apparently Random Thread, so what the hell, go nuts.

Wasn't a schtick, this was snark in this thread for the very reason you articulate. It was stopped after the gman/gator gang up, check with the mods. Or would you rather run me out of town ? I guess the reputation schtuck. Best to stay away from the grey, enjoy.
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:42 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

does he have a masterplan, will he create a school of american wizardry,
posted by salvia at 9:44 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Vikings do it on a boat.
posted by Dano St at 9:45 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Wasn't a schtick, this was snark in this thread for the very reason you articulate. It was stopped after the gman/gator gang up, check with the mods. Or would you rather run me out of town ? I guess the reputation schtuck. Best to stay away from the grey, enjoy.

Seriously, what are you talking about?
posted by amro at 9:46 PM on November 12, 2010 [6 favorites]

I'm speaking in general terms, not meaning any kind of fightyness. Generally speaking -- I can understand why someone might be drawn to the random art-commenting spree, feeling like it will be received in a certain spirit -- but I also think it's a bad fit for this site (at its current size anyway, maybe worked better when the site was a much smaller community?) for the reason I gave.
posted by LobsterMitten at 9:49 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Wait, gman had a gang-up, and he didn't tell me?

I thought we were mutual contacts, man.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:11 PM on November 12, 2010 [3 favorites]

But who would fardels bear?
posted by Babblesort at 10:11 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

That is definitely not a pile-on, and just barely a gang-up.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:16 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

VVERVVOLV GREHV
posted by Existential Dread at 10:28 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

For a while, cyberspace.com had a chat "room" that was just cgi-bin forms that every 500 posts or so got wiped out. It was one of my formative internet experiences, going to the library to use the computers to talk to someone who claimed to be the daughter of a general in Argentina (or maybe admiral) but all she wanted to talk about was indie rock with Americans. Plus also a lot of other people.

The page had a really similar format to MeFi, with name and timestamp.

Cyberspace.com now is just some placeholder.
posted by klangklangston at 10:35 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

I wovld join this svareé but is too late & quiet in the hovse for me to vlvlate volvminovsly, and besides, it would reqvire vntoward vndvlations of my vvvla. Yov'll be gratefvl I trvndled off to my slvmbers.
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:41 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

I sincerely don't understand what's going on here.
posted by stoneweaver at 12:36 AM

This should clear things up.
posted by Sailormom at 10:45 PM on November 12, 2010 [4 favorites]

"vvvla"

Nice one.
posted by klangklangston at 10:46 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

heh, i misread that as "vvlva"
posted by UbuRoivas at 10:52 PM on November 12, 2010 [7 favorites]

I like yov gvys
posted by Existential Dread at 10:53 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

This thread is more annoying than a vvvvzela
posted by auto-correct at 10:55 PM on November 12, 2010 [4 favorites]

quiet in the hovse

That Zenyatta was quite a hovse.
posted by Trochanter at 10:56 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

*qviet* Dammit!
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:56 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Oh, hi Vbv!
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:57 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Y3s! I too also drink the alcohol!
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 10:58 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

vvhat.
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:59 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

All these vvvvvvvs make me vvonder hovv Nergal is doing. Ayyyyy, looks like he found a marrovv donor.
posted by Existential Dread at 11:01 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

that's o^vtrageovs!!!
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 11:05 PM on November 12, 2010 [4 favorites]

Crap, I ran out of \/'s and now ha\/e to make them with slashes until Fry's opens tomorrow and I can buy a D\/D full of them. How many \/'s come on a D\/D these days, what with open-type fonts and all -- still it's gotta be a lot. Other than the one on the disk itself, I mean.

De\/ils Rancher.
posted by Devils Rancher at 11:08 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Flavnt it
posted by boo_radley at 11:09 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Can we talk about The Walking Dead? 'Cos I just shotgunned the first two episodes and holy shit, move over other TV shows, this is my new favorite. I was a little skeptical of yet-another-zed-word franchise, but this is good.
posted by cj_ at 11:17 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

That's 99 favorites. 1 left for clavdivs.
posted by loquacious at 11:18 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

Also I'm not really comfortable with poking clavdivs. I have no idea what's going on there, but he seems like a harmless fellow? I'd take him over some of the blowhards that post as frequently.

What I want to know is, what's up with Smedleyman? :( I miss his contributions and his last comment was concerning.
posted by cj_ at 11:26 PM on November 12, 2010 [2 favorites]

I've been meaning to check out the walking dead but I accidentally bought my son Maus and now he won't speak to me read black and white comics any more. Is the series good? is it cheesy or serious?
posted by shinybaum at 11:29 PM on November 12, 2010

It's deathly serious. High drama, good character development, and some *intense* graphic violence (way beyond what I would expect from any television show), but done in a way that serves the plot and advances character growth -- they aren't happy about the things they gotta do to survive. Cheesy, it is not. This is no True Blood (which I love too, but for entirely different reasons).
posted by cj_ at 11:43 PM on November 12, 2010 [1 favorite]

Astro Zombie: "IS EVERYBODY DRUNK?

No? Just me?"

Man, I feel left out.
posted by Phire at 12:18 AM on November 13, 2010

I've seen whelks lots of times on the beach but as far as lobstermittens go I haven't seen any of those mostly because one doesn't see lobsters beachcombing. You don't see Roman emperors who stutter on the beach, and you don't see lobstermittens. You will see Whelks. It means something, I'm sure of it.
posted by Salmonberry at 12:28 AM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

There are way too many capital letters in this thread.
posted by inigo2 at 12:37 AM on November 13, 2010

Thank you for this thread so much
posted by flatluigi at 1:04 AM on November 13, 2010

Also I'm not really comfortable with poking clavdivs.

*pokes clavdivs* Mmmmm! A++ Would Poke Again!

I think most all clavdivs poking is out of LOVE, or possibly LOUE... I'm getting confvsed now.
posted by taz at 1:09 AM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

btw, here's a picture of clavdivs in real life.
posted by taz at 1:20 AM on November 13, 2010 [6 favorites]

Clavdivs is our own personal
posted by Joseph Gurl at 1:50 AM on November 13, 2010

Loue is all yov need.
posted by idiopath at 1:55 AM on November 13, 2010 [3 favorites]

Apparently we're all clavdivs. I, for one, am happy to have discovered my inner clavdiv.
posted by rjs at 1:57 AM on November 13, 2010

Svetonivs pvdding.
posted by Abiezer at 2:05 AM on November 13, 2010

We, Clavdii?
posted by auto-correct at 2:21 AM on November 13, 2010 [3 favorites]

I loves me some cloudyarse.
posted by h00py at 2:46 AM on November 13, 2010

CRAB MEN...

type it out and read it again. FOREVER...

Are these the almighty forums, comments sections, social networks of the earth? The great snarking communities of the world.

Fark, SA, Metafilter?

clavdivs, that proud Metafilter username. Proud of what, exactly? The lowercase con, the non-sequitur hype, derail vapor, the skivvy grammar gimmick...
posted by cog_nate at 3:05 AM on November 13, 2010

KEEP
CLAV
÷
CARRY
THE ONE
posted by iamkimiam at 3:05 AM on November 13, 2010 [8 favorites]

clavdivs, that proud Metafilter username

Umm, I think it's a joke, like 'Sillivs Soddvs' or 'Biggvs Dickvs'.
posted by UbuRoivas at 3:35 AM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend
of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to
Howth Castle and Environs.

[...]

riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend
of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to
Howth Castle and Environs.

Just posted a whole book —I'm so getting banned here.
posted by ersatz at 4:04 AM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

I've seen whelks lots of times on the beach but as far as lobstermittens go I haven't seen any of those

Lobstermittens are so 2006. These days, all the fashionable lobsters are wearing lightly soiled lederhosen.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 4:31 AM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

Just posted a whole book —I'm so getting banned here.

Why?!? It was a thousand times more readable than the original.
posted by UbuRoivas at 4:43 AM on November 13, 2010

I like clamdips.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:22 AM on November 13, 2010

BP on a clam dip.
posted by UbuRoivas at 5:36 AM on November 13, 2010

Umm, I think it's a joke, like 'Sillivs Soddvs' or 'Biggvs Dickvs'.

Umm, my comment itself was a joke, riffing on something from Nothing Here Now but the Recordings.
posted by cog_nate at 6:55 AM on November 13, 2010

" now for God's sake, do not let that Coca-Cola thing out! "
posted by languagehat at 7:24 AM on November 13, 2010 [2 favorites]

The Walking Dead is fantastic and delightfully gross and I am rather vexed that there will only be 6 episodes this season.
posted by elizardbits at 7:25 AM on November 13, 2010

you will meet the whelk on the beach.

I am the lone voice totally not feeling The Walking Dead.
posted by The Whelk at 7:27 AM on November 13, 2010

I thought clavdivs was a lady, not a fellow... a certain lady that some old-timers and lots of bunnies know well... under a new username.

I could be wrong, and at first I thought it was random content, but their posts always make sense in context and are often quite insightful.

In other words, what amro said. Or is ethylene already hanging around?
posted by muddgirl at 7:29 AM on November 13, 2010

vvtf?
posted by Trochanter at 7:32 AM on November 13, 2010

Threads like this one late in the evenings are why I stay inside the house annotating manuscripts nobody ends up reading. You guys are wack.

brb minotaur
posted by Rory Marinich at 7:33 AM on November 13, 2010 [3 favorites]

> I thought clavdivs was a lady, not a fellow... a certain lady that some old-timers and lots of bunnies know well... under a new username.

I could be wrong

You are.
posted by languagehat at 7:56 AM on November 13, 2010 [4 favorites]

muddgirl, while they do have remarkable similar styles, I don't really think they're the same person. For one thing, ethylene just mentioned in October that she was thinking of rejoining Mefi (which she evidently did under a new username, and as far as I can tell she's been behaving well).
posted by amro at 8:11 AM on November 13, 2010

double. Granted, it's been a while, but still.
posted by dhruva at 8:13 AM on November 13, 2010

Also, in all fairness, ethylene has been really coherent lately.
posted by amro at 8:19 AM on November 13, 2010

Sometimes you can see maybe fifty ratty-looking junkies squealing sick, running along behind a boy with a harmonica, and there is The Man on a cane seat throwing bread to the swans, a fat drag queen walking his Afghan hound through the East Fifties, an old wino pissing against an El post, a radical Jewish student giving out leaflets in Washington Square, a tree surgeon, an exterminator, an advertising fruit in Nedick's where he calls the counterman by his first name. The world network on junkies, tuned on a cord of rancid jissom, tying up in furnished rooms, shivering in the junk-sick morning.
posted by blucevalo at 8:27 AM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

of junkies
posted by blucevalo at 8:28 AM on November 13, 2010

OK whatever.

For reference, I don't think either clavdivs or ethylene behave poorly. I have always found them both to be quite coherent.
posted by muddgirl at 8:29 AM on November 13, 2010

Well, eth has had at least two accounts banned. Generally not an indicator of consistent good behavior.
posted by amro at 8:36 AM on November 13, 2010

...thought it was a fish
posted by clavdivs at 9:25 AM on November 13, 2010 [4 favorites]

That is definitely not a pile-on, and just barely a gang-up.

You must construct additional pile-ons.
posted by grobstein at 10:05 AM on November 13, 2010 [4 favorites]

Blazing ones.

SO

The Walking Dead. I'm not into it.

Some of it is that the part of the premise that intrigued me, taking off from the point when most zombie stuff stops and trying to show life in the refugee camp/reconstruction just hasn't happened yet and we've got to go through the standard genre tropes first. Fine. I like zombie movie tropes, love them in fact! But this is a very standard outing, not a whole lot of scares, not a bunch of new or unusual situations to put in the tropes in (this was part of the fun of World War Z, which was basically a list of Craziest Places We Can Put Zombies In), and it feels very rushed to get it over ...so that a lot of scenes rely on unearned emotion. What should be key scenes in the pilot are carried almost entirely by a big emotional swells the show hasn't built up to cause I don't care if someone (apparently) lost their family if I can't even remember his name or any basic motivation besides Is A Cop. The Mom thing was a shade better, but I feel like this is Adaption Lag - there's so much to fit in that you end up glancing over big reaches and expecting the audience to know who the hell these people are. It's all plot plot plot and not terribly new or interesting plot at that. Then we get to the second episode, which had more action but also (clumsily) introduced a whole bunch of stock characters announcing their feelings and motivations at the start of every scene. I'm sticking with it cause of the immense good will AMC has built up and because the scale of something like this on Basic Cable, but I haven't seen a single thing so far that I haven't seen done better elsewhere.
posted by The Whelk at 10:26 AM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

I think the 'new' that the show brings isn't necessarily going to appear until we're a few episodes in, because what it has going for it that any other zombie film doesn't have is that it can end up lasting for dozens of hours.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:31 AM on November 13, 2010

I'm with you, The Whelk. Cop Dude is also sort of painfully genre unsavy, even for a horror hero. Plus he got that horse killed in the pilot! For all he's supposed to be a hero with a heart of gold, that really cheesed me off.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 10:32 AM on November 13, 2010

I've only seen the pilot, but what vvalking dead has most going against it is just plain lack of star power. You can get away with murder with charismatic actors.

The scene with the matches in the stairwell, and the slow reveal of the body bags were actually pretty good moments, I thought.
posted by Trochanter at 10:36 AM on November 13, 2010

(I'd have done a 'boo' in the stairwell. Even a fake boo.)
posted by Trochanter at 10:38 AM on November 13, 2010

Yah I'm sticking through cause I know that we have to do the set-up and Oh No There Are Zombies thing first, but the dialogue in the second episode is giving me ...pause.
posted by The Whelk at 10:39 AM on November 13, 2010

I just kept thinking a stronger intro would be in the Survivor camp itself - Oh look at us camping isn;t this nice and family-like and how hwy this camp is kinda ragged ...there are a lot of people here is this some kind of group outing, why are they talking about water OH SHIT ZOMBIES.
posted by The Whelk at 10:44 AM on November 13, 2010 [2 favorites]

Umm, my comment itself was a joke

So was the reply to it [~ 1:55 in clip]
posted by ctmf at 11:03 AM on November 13, 2010

Yes, Walking Dead. First off, having just seen the pilot, I'm a bit behind, (is there a good place to watch the others?), but what I really liked were the landscapes. Maybe it's my city planner side, but you started with Industrial Ruin (kinda), then got Small Town Main Street, then Agrarian Countryside, then Big City. And these were all clearly in the same region (is that unusual? it kinda felt like it). That combined with the relative slowness of the zombies and overall atmospherics made me able to feel actually there, more than most TV shows at least.
posted by salvia at 11:13 AM on November 13, 2010

The setting feels pretty typical of the south to me, in that there's that weird countryside isolation between cities that you don't find up north.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 11:17 AM on November 13, 2010

I have no idea what clavdivs ever actually says, and yet for some reason I treasure him above most others. There's just something charming about his lack of grammar, logic, or syntax. And I'm extremely pedantic and a grammar nazi, but for some reason, clavdivs doesn't bother me at all. LONG LIVE CLAVDIVS!!!
posted by 1000monkeys at 12:09 PM on November 13, 2010 [4 favorites]

yes long live him!
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:21 PM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

The setting feels pretty typical of the south to me, in that there's that weird countryside isolation between cities that you don't find up north."

Just a moment to disagree here, as someone from Michigan. You can be in the woods in half an hour from most cities in the north and midwest. The exceptions are the Northeast Megasprawl and, like, Chicago.

As for Walking Dead, they're still only a couple issues into the trade, if you know what I'm saying. The pace of the TV show is a lot slower than the comics, and the comics didn't start to get really good until they were in the prison. Then they sort of trailed off and got a lot less interesting.

The best parts so far have been in foreshadowing major themes that are done well in the book (the regular descent of the characters into effective zombiehood). That their motivations are stock is something that's a lot more apparent on screen than in the comic, but since those motivations become a lot less important pretty soon, it's not something that I'm all that worried about. The weak acting is more troubling.

But I am totally with Salvia on the excellent sense of place, especially for a TV show.
posted by klangklangston at 12:25 PM on November 13, 2010

Sorry, I should have clarified northeast! But having driven through Georgia more times than I care to remember, the landscape in the show feels pretty accurate to me.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 12:30 PM on November 13, 2010

It's worth noting that they're not planning on adhering to the comics.
posted by shakespeherian at 12:44 PM on November 13, 2010

clavdivs is love.

Also, either he has become remarkably more coherent this past couple of weeks or I'm nuts.

And it turns out clavdivs is six kinds of awesome. He's been funny, been insightful, been sharp as a tack. If that comes at the cost of a little coherence, I'm fine with it. He's doesn't post much anyway.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:53 PM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

what vvalking dead has most going against it is just plain lack of star power

But it has Simon from Teachers in it! I pissed myself laughing when he was riding a bike in the pilot. I wanted The Boy with the Arab Strap to start playing.
posted by ArmyOfKittens at 2:02 PM on November 13, 2010 [2 favorites]

I ♥ clavdivs!
posted by Lynsey at 2:29 PM on November 13, 2010 [3 favorites]

where is he?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 2:36 PM on November 13, 2010

LONG LIVE STUFF! SEE ALSO: THINGS!
posted by sonika at 3:03 PM on November 13, 2010

Why?!? It was a thousand times more readable than the original.

But it was longer than the Treaties of Westphalia!

You must construct additional pile-ons.

I've been thinking "Starcraft" every time I type "Starbucks" for the past hour. Comment appreciated.
posted by ersatz at 4:39 PM on November 13, 2010

I dig clav, he's an old buddy and he's always dug my funky vibe. But there's a mash rerun on TV land and pips is bringing me burgers frome here, so I leave you all to your own devices, whatever they may be.
posted by jonmc at 4:51 PM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

In my head, clavdivs looks like this. Also, he is awesome.
posted by juv3nal at 4:59 PM on November 13, 2010

Thread's been Whelked.
posted by hermitosis at 6:53 PM on November 13, 2010

Walking Dead: enjoyable, and as a fan of most things post-apocalyptic, I'm willing to give it some time to grow into itself. The thing in the park with the half-woman was marvelous. Recognizing Officer Friendly from Love, Actually was somewhat traumatic, though.

The upcoming "should we go back into Deadlanta to rescue Michael RooKKKer" trip seems like one of those fairly idiotic hypothetical ethics scenarios where you have to decide whether to drop a sad-eyed orphan into boiling oil to save a busload of nuns or something.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:04 PM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

Back in my day we had to parse thomcatspike, you kids have it easy.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 7:44 PM on November 13, 2010 [9 favorites]

I've taken to favouriting all of clavdiv's comments because I can't tell whether they are great or bad, and for some reason, I always want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
posted by 1000monkeys at 7:52 PM on November 13, 2010

Hey guys, I just got here. What's going on?
posted by slogger at 8:02 PM on November 13, 2010

thomcatspike

oh, he just he hated when we'd be parsed together.

/STSF! {Big Benji wave. "look pa we can does this now"}


me
the whelk

the rattle the battle
off site 'mefi' comedycast
*there not a dam one of you i wouldnt pull from a fire then bum a smoke from.
posted by clavdivs at 10:16 PM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

Are you a wizard?
posted by Threeway Handshake at 10:34 PM on November 13, 2010

are you a god?
posted by The Whelk at 10:49 PM on November 13, 2010

Oh it's that time of night
posted by The Whelk at 10:52 PM on November 13, 2010

Am I a lion?
posted by cgc373 at 11:13 PM on November 13, 2010

who plays that, who thinks of it. my computer is not that fast.
posted by clavdivs at 11:20 PM on November 13, 2010

I met a wizard nothing omnipotent, a bit peekish, his belt glowed.
posted by clavdivs at 11:23 PM on November 13, 2010 [1 favorite]

Ceci n'est pas un.
posted by flabdablet at 4:52 AM on November 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

This thread is a perfect initiation into metafilter.
posted by cjorgensen at 8:04 AM on November 14, 2010

and an imitation untop metafilter.
posted by The Whelk at 8:25 AM on November 14, 2010

which implies its time for a dramatic re-entry back into the huggy arms of the grey

*runs through field of yellow flowrs with cows in distance to soundtrack of Lata Mangeshkar* <--- snark
posted by The Lady is a designer at 8:35 AM on November 14, 2010

Traducteur fous. (J'ai perdu ma pipe.)
posted by clavdivs at 8:54 AM on November 14, 2010

AND THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE
posted by The Whelk at 8:54 AM on November 14, 2010

i bought something
posted by clavdivs at 9:07 AM on November 14, 2010

increasing weirdness or just plain northern madness?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:19 AM on November 14, 2010

its madness its northern its northern madness
posted by The Whelk at 9:22 AM on November 14, 2010

{insert wit} slyt
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:30 AM on November 14, 2010

OUR THREAD

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE
posted by The Whelk at 10:54 AM on November 14, 2010

Waffle pants for breakfast.
posted by Sailormom at 11:44 AM on November 14, 2010

man the new batman villians are so lame
posted by The Whelk at 11:50 AM on November 14, 2010

I was dunk and in awe; post title a direct quote from clavdivs. Things should make more sense than they do. My fault must be. Sudokupoetic with hints of . . . syrup? Tho it looks like cheese is the flavor of the day.
posted by yesster at 12:01 PM on November 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

Sudokupoetic

My next sockupppet
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:26 PM on November 14, 2010

re: waffle pants - I always thought it would be great to have a pair of shorts made from watermelon in the summertime. Who wouldn't love a pair of cool, refreshing melonpants? Maybe a melonbeanie on top as well!

I guess it would prolly be all sticky, though. Meh.
posted by elizardbits at 12:27 PM on November 14, 2010

I think we can all agree.
posted by haveanicesummer at 12:35 PM on November 14, 2010

You're wrong!
posted by h00py at 1:12 PM on November 14, 2010

If you are old enough around here to remember pancakes, Miguel and pastel suited jackals, then you understand the vibe that is clavdius.

Don't let it fret you none if you aren't.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 2:10 PM on November 14, 2010

I remember pancakes.
posted by killdevil at 6:13 PM on November 14, 2010

I remember remember the cakes of November, frosting and cream clot.
posted by The Whelk at 6:41 PM on November 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

Yeah I'm ..still not buying Walking Dead. It's moving amazingly slowly basing it's big moments on emotional moments that are totally unearned cause not only do I not care about these characters I literally cannot remember their names.

And they telegraphed that last shot so. hard. I honestly think you could've done the last three episodes in one episode, a nugget of story in a whole box of packing peanuts.
posted by The Whelk at 8:19 PM on November 14, 2010

OK...60% of the house and norman fells old dressing room.
posted by clavdivs at 9:21 PM on November 14, 2010

in exchange for . . .?
posted by yesster at 10:27 PM on November 14, 2010

Prosseco, with an absinthe float. That is all.
Ew. Eew! Awful.

Also, holy crap. Clavdivs=Claudius? Way to blow my mind, thread! It took me probably 30 comments to figure that out, plus all the times I saw his name elsewhere on the site. For some reason, I always thought his name had something to do with programming. Divs are a... something you use in Java or HTML or something, right? Maybe something to do with frames? I always thought I just wasn't techie enough to figure out his name.

Wow.
posted by Night_owl at 10:30 PM on November 14, 2010

Also, holy crap. Clavdivs=Claudius

He goes into it a bit in his profile page, but maybe you just aren't stalkerish enough to have had a look.
posted by juv3nal at 12:35 AM on November 15, 2010

Funny, I always stay away from people's profile pages almost as a mark of respect for privacy.
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:41 AM on November 15, 2010

in exchange for . . .?

The question mark, that is a the Newhart signature of dead drop delivery.

as a working title I'm thinking:

'Catachresis: The Metonymies Historical Impact on Typesetting.'

or something cool like 'Abusio'

I like 'Abusio' lots of verve. I can hear it like the tip of my tongue.
posted by clavdivs at 12:42 AM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

Funny, I always stay away from people's profile pages almost as a mark of respect for privacy.

That's kind of odd. Surely people can each express the degree of their concern for privacy by deciding how much and/or what information to put there?
posted by juv3nal at 1:49 AM on November 15, 2010

That's kind of odd.

You know, I've been thinking about it ever since I wrote that comment. You're right, it is kind of odd. Why, I have no idea, but it seemed to me (and I don't have a new thought construct developed yet to replace what I know realize to be an obsolete one) that peeking into someone's activity or profile was like rifling through their brain/memory.

Maybe its me who thinks/thought that way?

*counts beans*
posted by The Lady is a designer at 2:55 AM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

Well, I like it. I mean, it's TV. It's certainly better than anything else I'm watching on TV at the moment. It's holding my interest right now more than Dexter.

What Zombie series are you comparing it to? I don't think it's fair to invoke "tropes" that are mostly gleaned from 90-minute, low-budget movies and apply it to a serial that is going a completely different direction than previous zombie flicks. Seems almost as if you want to hate it because it's A Zombie Show™ rather than judge it on its own merit.

I found all three episodes to be very good so far. I do understand the feeling that you are expected to care about characters you haven't grown attached to, which was my major complaint with SG:U. But I think the characters in this show have so far been pretty sympathetic and interesting.

How could they have done this better? More guts? Get Nathan Fillon as the lead? What?

I am rather vexed that there will only be 6 episodes this season

:(
posted by cj_ at 3:07 AM on November 15, 2010

You know, I've been thinking about it ever since I wrote that comment. You're right, it is kind of odd. Why, I have no idea

I'll take a stab.

Because there's a difference between looking at someone's profile because you're interested, and making it a matter of public scrutiny in a MetaTalk pile-on.

My profile is currently barren. But once upon a time I had a bunch of personal information there that I put up in good faith (a phrase synonymous with "naive"). The idea that someone could pick through it, do a few google queries, and then proceed to humiliate me in a thread because I said something they disagreed with -- that would be indexed by google forever -- prompted me to actually close my account. I re-opened it, but stripped everything out I could. I'm still uncomfortable participating in this community due to the ever-present danger of someone who is highly regarded deciding I"m an enemy that deserves public humiliation, but I feel a little better now that they can't track down my personal details from my profile.

Take that as you will.
posted by cj_ at 3:22 AM on November 15, 2010

Yes. I can see this.

That captures the essence of it well, in a way. Not quite exact, but almost.

But its not just MeFi, imho, but the whole webz. They've changed, I tend to see in terms of hte whole web rather than specific sites because I've been on and interacting since 1995. This is what has constrained and constricted me over time. Good to finally find out what has been the thorn.
posted by The Lady is a designer at 3:28 AM on November 15, 2010

I feel like part of it might be that your profile isn't just your bio, but rather the aggregate of all your activity on MeFi. Everything you've posted, everything you've commented on or voted for, and everything you've favourited.

It's one thing to see what someone has to say for themselves, but it's another to go digging through someone's entire site history. Maybe you were conflating the two?
posted by Phire at 3:35 AM on November 15, 2010

But its not just MeFi, imho, but the whole webz

Yeah this isn't something unique to Mefi. Sorry if I gave off that vibe. I guess I feel like: if there were one place in this universe I could not worry about being destroyed by some internet warrior, this would be the place; so it bugs me that it's not actually true.

I am not claiming some other web community has this problem solved though. Just saying, I am not okay with using people's profile information against them.
posted by cj_ at 4:53 AM on November 15, 2010

I guess I feel like: if there were one place in this universe I could not worry about being destroyed by some internet warrior, this would be the place; so it bugs me that it's not actually true.

This.
posted by The Lady is a designer at 5:03 AM on November 15, 2010

I feel like part of it might be that your profile isn't just your bio, but rather the aggregate of all your activity on MeFi. Everything you've posted, everything you've commented on or voted for, and everything you've favourited.

Yes, and one has always known this about the interwebz at large, knowing that keyword names in google are a snapshot but figuring that there were still hidden corners like this one. Its when that last little hideyhole has gone or there are no shadows left from the klieglights that the unease begins.
posted by The Lady is a designer at 5:05 AM on November 15, 2010

Get Nathan Fillon as the lead? What?

Best.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:58 AM on November 15, 2010

I'm comparing it to zombie movies and books and other genre stuff. i fucking love zombie tropes, be use they're so elastic and adapatable, so getting six hours to spend on them should be really fun, except I haven't seen anything new or even done particularly well wilth the premise so far. And all the major plot developments rely on emotional pivots for characters that have one personality trait a piece. Even the direction keeps coasting, telling "okay his is a moody and tense scene." but not doing anything to merit it being creepy or moody. I can't shake the feeling that I'm watching a particularly wooden and overly faithful adaptation of something that's making up for not having a ton of plot by mooching very slowly to no dramatic effect. I've said unthread, since the new idea the series pro ports to bring is What Do The Survivors do, it might have been better to skip the zombie movie beginning and start out sack dab in the middle of a struggling but established survivor camp.

Nathan Fillon should be in everything, of course, but last night I kept thinking - are they all bad actors or do they just literally have nothing to work with?
posted by The Whelk at 7:39 AM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

what am i chopped liver to you people?

Aw honey, you're incoherent too.
posted by electroboy at 7:53 AM on November 15, 2010

Finally
posted by The Whelk at 7:59 AM on November 15, 2010

Does anyone else think the next season of Mad Men should revolve around a zombie apocalypse?
posted by shakespeherian at 8:27 AM on November 15, 2010 [2 favorites]

YES
posted by The Whelk at 8:28 AM on November 15, 2010

There could even be a flashback to when Don/Dick was in the war and we find out that it wasn't the Korean conflict but actually World War Z.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:30 AM on November 15, 2010

i'm seeing it as a locked room drama, trapped in Don's office, trying to find a way to get out before they run out of bullets and bourbon.

Plus Peggy could shoot Joey and be all " he was turning into a zombie! For real!"
posted by The Whelk at 8:34 AM on November 15, 2010

At some point it should settle down into a Fido-esque 'living with the reality of zombies' world. But first Pete needs to get torn apart and his intestines devoured before his eyes.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:38 AM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

is Pete more or less scary as a zombie?
posted by The Whelk at 8:44 AM on November 15, 2010

Also, ha Fido. Proportion wise that movie is the lowest return on investment ever.

You can kind of see why.
posted by The Whelk at 8:47 AM on November 15, 2010

Oh, much, much less. Pete's only interesting as a survivor, constantly shifting allegiances and trying to worm his way to the top of the pack of humans, vacillating between begrudging Don's natural leadership and wanting to suck up to Roger so he can get into the walled-off supply cache in the erstwhile board room. He has no qualms about sacrificing Ken Congrove when they're running down 5th Ave, and coldly presses the 'Door Close' button on the elevator when several of the secretary pool are trying to get through a horde of zombies in the building's lobby.

Eventually Pete becomes a zombie, somewhat akin to Bub in Day of the Dead, with vague memories of his former life and a crude utilization of familiar tools. Peggy shoots him dead through the eye and gives a quiet smile, and Don lights another cigarette with a mysterious look of pride.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:53 AM on November 15, 2010 [3 favorites]

Nathan Fillon should be in everything, of course

Beg to differ. Nathan Fillion should be in nothing at all.

*fans self*
posted by Lexica at 9:13 AM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

note bene
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:14 AM on November 15, 2010

Just so we're clear

Cooper- Zombie

Sterling - Somehow comically shoots himself in the foot

Joan - Rifle. Black outfit. Hair *slightly* out of place.

Megan - Reveals crazy berserker side.

Ken - used as bait by Peter
posted by The Whelk at 9:31 AM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

I have a suspicion Cooper has been a zombie for the last two seasons.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:36 AM on November 15, 2010

Who has the slow-burn bite and trying to hide it?
posted by The Whelk at 9:39 AM on November 15, 2010

Harry ends up saving them all with the help of his new actor boyfriend from L.A, Nathan Fillion.
posted by The Whelk at 9:41 AM on November 15, 2010

Who has the slow-burn bite and trying to hide it?

Is it too obvious if I say Sal?
posted by shakespeherian at 9:54 AM on November 15, 2010

Not on the show no mo.
posted by The Whelk at 9:56 AM on November 15, 2010

so now the show has no mo mos.
posted by The Whelk at 9:57 AM on November 15, 2010

BUT I WANT HIM BACK
posted by shakespeherian at 10:02 AM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

FROM THE DEAD?!
posted by The Whelk at 10:06 AM on November 15, 2010

I think you know what I'm saying.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:08 AM on November 15, 2010

Shows Over Zombie Salvatore!
posted by The Whelk at 10:20 AM on November 15, 2010

Who has to kill a loved one who has just come back from the dead? You aren't allowed to say Betty.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:22 AM on November 15, 2010

Sally.


I wanted to say Pete and zombie Trudy And Zombie Baby but c'mon this is Pete. He's probably got plans to do it even if they aren't zombies.
posted by The Whelk at 10:25 AM on November 15, 2010

my up close and personal expertise with the writers at the back offices of 1616 N Wells St tells me you guys are in process of making a great tag team... encore encore
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:28 AM on November 15, 2010

I am still waiting for the episode where Trudy finally gets fed up and decides to go to a community college in California where she meets Chevy Chase and Donald Glover.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:40 AM on November 15, 2010

There also needs to be some Dawn of The Dead consumerism satire to really sell it home.

Also something about cigarettes.
posted by The Whelk at 12:45 PM on November 15, 2010

...new "cough-free" Cigarette account SCDP lands has a zombie side effect.
posted by The Whelk at 12:46 PM on November 15, 2010

At some point Don should give one of his emotional and heartfelt sales presentations convincing everyone that it'll all blow over, and everything will be just fine, and then he passes around some cough-free cigarettes.
posted by shakespeherian at 12:53 PM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

November 15, 2010
The Phenomenology of Synesthesia
There will be a workshop on "The Phenomenology of Synesthesia", sponsored by the NYU Consciousness Project, on Saturday November 20. It will be held in the first floor lecture theatre at 5 Washington Place (between Broadway and Washington Square in New York City).

Synesthesia is the syndrome in which a stimulus in one sensory modality reliably yields an experience associated with a different sensory modality. The focus of the workshop will be the question "What is it like to be a synesthete?". There will be talks and discussion from philosophers, psychologists, and synesthetes. All are welcome. The program is below.
posted by clavdivs at 3:07 PM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

this zombie 60s project is all purple harpsichord to me.
posted by The Whelk at 4:08 PM on November 15, 2010

Duck is clearly the character with the least self-control; I think he would be the first to resort to cannibalism in the Mad (Undead) Men universe as the survivors run short of rations.
posted by misha at 4:13 PM on November 15, 2010

Duck eats the dog. it is the only way.
posted by The Whelk at 4:31 PM on November 15, 2010

Duck will probably resort to cannibalism within, like, three hours of locking themselves in the office.

'OMIGOD, DUCK! You're eating a copyrighter!'

'We need to stay alive until help comes.'

'But we have, like, a whole break room full of food. Jesus.'

'I was hungry!'
posted by shakespeherian at 4:32 PM on November 15, 2010

What about Pryce?

WHAT ABOUT PRYCE?!
posted by The Whelk at 4:35 PM on November 15, 2010

Pryce is already dead in all the ways that count.
posted by five fresh fish at 4:42 PM on November 15, 2010

That's great news, clavdivs -- I've been wanting to find out why I taste a noisy shade of purple whenever I read one of your comments, and this will be the perfect venue to ask.
posted by Rhaomi at 4:44 PM on November 15, 2010

Pryce goes all Ripper on us and beats zombies to death with an umbrella.
posted by The Whelk at 4:45 PM on November 15, 2010

Synesthesia is of interest, for me, because of Hockney. His experience with color is of particular note. This book is very good example.
posted by clavdivs at 7:28 PM on November 15, 2010

"The Master said, 'Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with virtue.' The Master said, 'I hate the manner in which purple takes away the luster of vermilion. I hate the way in which the songs of Chang confound the music of the Ya. I hate those who with their sharp mouths overthrow kingdoms and families.' The Master said, 'I would prefer not speaking.' Tsze-kung said, 'If you, Master, do not speak, what shall we, your disciples, have to record?' The Master said, 'Does Heaven speak? The four seasons pursue their courses, and all things are continually being produced, but does Heaven say anything?"
posted by clavdivs at 11:43 PM on November 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

yes I said yes it does Yes.
posted by flabdablet at 2:21 AM on November 16, 2010

Heaven: LOL
posted by taz at 2:47 AM on November 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

This isn't working you guys I still have the flu
posted by The Whelk at 6:38 AM on November 16, 2010

Whelk if you turn into a zombie so help me I'll.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:06 AM on November 16, 2010

its okay I was a zombie back in 3rd grade, you can't get it again.
posted by The Whelk at 7:09 AM on November 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

It's like malaria, it just keeps coming back. ...for more.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:18 AM on November 16, 2010

more of my delicious nucleoli
posted by The Whelk at 7:20 AM on November 16, 2010

Is that a pasta.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:23 AM on November 16, 2010

only metaphorically
posted by The Whelk at 7:51 AM on November 16, 2010

Good because my hunger is idiomatic.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:36 AM on November 16, 2010

What's in the simile sandwich?

Well it's like the Metaphor.
posted by The Whelk at 8:40 AM on November 16, 2010

Metonymy? Metony-YOU!
posted by shakespeherian at 8:41 AM on November 16, 2010

He's so badness that verbs decline him.
posted by The Whelk at 8:42 AM on November 16, 2010

For never was a tale of more woe
Than that of cacosyntheton, Romeo's.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:47 AM on November 16, 2010

Palindrome backwards is Emordnilap.
posted by The Whelk at 8:55 AM on November 16, 2010

Palindrome si sdrawkcab Emordnilap.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:58 AM on November 16, 2010

ǝɯoɹpuıןɐd
posted by The Whelk at 9:02 AM on November 16, 2010

dɐןıupɹoɯǝ
posted by shakespeherian at 9:04 AM on November 16, 2010

And SpiffyRob is also here!
posted by SpiffyRob at 9:11 AM on November 16, 2010

When the former Governor of Alaska talks it is a Palin drone.

HOORAY FOR SPIFFYBOB!
posted by The Whelk at 9:13 AM on November 16, 2010

A pet scan for a palindrome and ad naemor dnil aparof nac stepa.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:14 AM on November 16, 2010

Spiff, this is for you.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:15 AM on November 16, 2010

Hey! That's my suspicious packet from yesterday's trip to the post office ;p I got last year's xmas pressies, woo hoo... Cryoburn by Bujold, Her Smoke rose up Forever by Tiptree and trying the new Niven series
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:02 AM on November 16, 2010

■Oakland Tribune; Oakland, California; October 8, 1940; Key West, Florida, October 7, 1940. Fantastic story of an old man who sought to restore life to a young woman he loved, attracted throngs ... an undertaking establishment for a glimpse of the corpse he kept in his bedroom for seven years. More than 2,000 Key Westers yesterday filed past the remains, which Carl Tanzler Van Cosel said he wax moulded into a likeness of the beautiful matron who died nine years ago at the age of 19. Van Cosel, 70-year-old X-ray ... formerly employed at the Marine Hospital here, remained in jail in default of bond. He faced a hearing in Justice of the Peace Court today on a charge of "maliciously" disturbing the contents of a tomb, but County Solicitor Allan B. Cleare Jr., said that, regardless of the outcome, a sanity hearing would be held. Reaction Feared. "I wouldn't like to assume the responsibility of turning loose this man without an examination by a competent psychiatrist and a decision by a board of Cleare declared.
posted by clavdivs at 10:21 AM on November 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

I put the "pious cage" in suspicious package.
posted by SpiffyRob at 11:21 AM on November 16, 2010

I broke the thread. :(
posted by SpiffyRob at 1:52 PM on November 16, 2010

*Sidehug*
posted by shakespeherian at 1:56 PM on November 16, 2010

I've been in the back hallucinating wildly via minecraft
posted by The Whelk at 1:59 PM on November 16, 2010

I dreamed I was eating a giant marshmallow and when I woke up the whole world was on fire.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:01 PM on November 16, 2010

Well you were eating a Ghast.
posted by The Whelk at 2:18 PM on November 16, 2010

I'm aghast
posted by grobstein at 3:57 PM on November 16, 2010

i had to eat him he was gonna nuke my overlords
posted by shakespeherian at 4:14 PM on November 16, 2010

How to Bomb Proof a Horse
posted by clavdivs at 5:39 PM on November 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

I dreamed I sidehugged shakes and when I woke up I was dancing on the ceiling à la Lionel Richie.
posted by SpiffyRob at 6:07 AM on November 17, 2010

It's a tumor.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:24 AM on November 17, 2010

Romut asti.
posted by SpiffyRob at 7:23 AM on November 17, 2010

Tau mortis.
posted by flabdablet at 7:38 AM on November 17, 2010

Sit rom uat? That doesn't make any sense at all.
posted by SpiffyRob at 7:56 AM on November 17, 2010

Sit rom uat, sides reversed, is tau mortis.
˙sıʇɹoɯ nɐʇ sı 'pǝsɹǝʌǝɹ sǝpıs 'ʇɐn ɯoɹ ʇıS

H T H
H⊥H
posted by flabdablet at 8:12 AM on November 17, 2010

[¡] [+] 81 ɹǝqɯǝʌoᴎ uo W∀ zz:ε ʇɐ ʇǝ_|qɐpqɐ_|ɟ ʎq pǝʇsod
posted by flabdablet at 8:22 AM on November 17, 2010

[¡] [+] 81 ɹǝqɯǝʌoᴎ uo _W∀ Lε:ε ʇɐ ʇǝ_lqɐpqɐ_lɟ ʎq pǝʇsod
posted by flabdablet at 8:37 AM on November 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

ALCOHOL ALPHABET GAME

Absinthe

Beer

Champagne
posted by The Whelk at 9:24 AM on November 17, 2010

Drambuie.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:07 AM on November 17, 2010

[¡] [+] 81 ɹǝqɯǝʌoᴎ uo W∀ Lε:ε ʇɐ ʇǝlqɐpqɐlɟ ʎq pǝʇsod
posted by flabdablet An hour ago [+]

You have ceiling mirrors down under?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:08 AM on November 17, 2010

RIVET294 3/8 004 14.25 14.375

DORS18-LEFT TH15/16

(TOLERANCE .0002)

RIVET295 3/8 004 14.625 14.75

DORS18-LEFT TH15/16

(TOLERANCE .0002)
posted by clavdivs at 10:19 AM on November 17, 2010

Eggnog
posted by The Whelk at 10:43 AM on November 17, 2010

Frangelico.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:44 AM on November 17, 2010

Grappa
posted by electroboy at 10:44 AM on November 17, 2010

Heineken. fuck that shit pabst blue ribbon
posted by shakespeherian at 10:51 AM on November 17, 2010

India Pale Ale
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:11 AM on November 17, 2010

Why is 294 smaller than 295?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:13 AM on November 17, 2010

JAGER WOOO!
posted by The Whelk at 11:15 AM on November 17, 2010

Kir
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:21 AM on November 17, 2010

laphroaig
posted by The Whelk at 11:41 AM on November 17, 2010

Mmmmmmmmmmmmlaphroig


er, Miller Light
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:47 AM on November 17, 2010

Nattie Light.
posted by SpiffyRob at 11:50 AM on November 17, 2010

O'Douls with a shot on the side?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:59 AM on November 17, 2010

Port Ellen
posted by languagehat at 12:02 PM on November 17, 2010

Patsis
posted by The Whelk at 12:02 PM on November 17, 2010

Quetsch

> Patsis

You mean "pastis," you patsy.
posted by languagehat at 12:30 PM on November 17, 2010

But I forgive you for your taste in scotch.
posted by languagehat at 12:31 PM on November 17, 2010

I mean "because of your taste in scotch," dammit. I forgive you for your patsis because of your... Oh, never mind. I need a drink.
posted by languagehat at 12:32 PM on November 17, 2010

Rum and cherry coke.
posted by The Whelk at 1:11 PM on November 17, 2010

Sambuca
posted by SpiffyRob at 1:37 PM on November 17, 2010

Tanqueray.
posted by shakespeherian at 1:49 PM on November 17, 2010

The Tao of Trader Vic.

I think LH telling us to shut the fuck up, not that l dont like comedy. I do not wish to weaponize it.

Why even waste the time because you 3 guys are fucking amatuers.
posted by clavdivs at 2:10 PM on November 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

I only fuck professionals.

No wait.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:28 PM on November 17, 2010

Unicum

> I think LH telling us to shut the fuck up

Hah. If I were telling you to shut the fuck up, you'd know you'd been shutthefuckuptold. But I still want a drink. I think there's some Lagavulin around.
posted by languagehat at 4:46 PM on November 17, 2010

Violette, Creme Du'
posted by The Whelk at 4:47 PM on November 17, 2010

Whiskey sour.
posted by misha at 5:27 PM on November 17, 2010

XX
(Dos Equis)
posted by The Whelk at 5:32 PM on November 17, 2010

Yuengling.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:38 PM on November 17, 2010

Zima
posted by The Whelk at 7:01 PM on November 17, 2010

Amaretto!
posted by klangklangston at 7:11 PM on November 17, 2010

Bourbon

did someone call me a guy?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:05 PM on November 17, 2010

The Tao of Trader Vic.

I saw a werewolf drinking a Cosmopolitan at Trader Vic's. His hair was slightly mussed.
posted by amyms at 9:31 PM on November 17, 2010

Dark and Stormy
posted by Night_owl at 10:00 PM on November 17, 2010

The Whelk,

Your opinion about this show is wrong.

Love,
CJ
posted by cj_ at 3:35 AM on November 18, 2010

Everclear
posted by The Whelk at 6:08 AM on November 18, 2010

Fanta
posted by The Lady is a designer at 7:29 AM on November 18, 2010

FANTA IS NOT ALCOHOL LOOSE ONE POINT

Flaming Moe and/or Fuzzu Navel.
posted by The Whelk at 8:12 AM on November 18, 2010

Great Lakes Christmas Ale
posted by SpiffyRob at 8:27 AM on November 18, 2010

Gloom Chaser
posted by languagehat at 8:28 AM on November 18, 2010

Harvey Wallbanger
posted by The Whelk at 8:35 AM on November 18, 2010

Finlandia was too close to home

*sniffles*

*runs to catch up with the big boys*
posted by The Lady is a designer at 8:37 AM on November 18, 2010

Word salad is a hell of a drug.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:47 AM on November 18, 2010

Irish coffee.

Who else needs a drink?
posted by shakespeherian at 8:48 AM on November 18, 2010

Jack and Coke
posted by The Whelk at 8:49 AM on November 18, 2010

(No not DIET, geeze)
posted by The Whelk at 8:49 AM on November 18, 2010

Kir
posted by shakespeherian at 8:54 AM on November 18, 2010

They don't make diet Jack Daniels, The Whelk, come on :|
posted by boo_radley at 9:10 AM on November 18, 2010

when how come I lost 20 pounds and all my friends on the All-Jack diet?
posted by The Whelk at 9:36 AM on November 18, 2010

hey kir was mine first
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:58 AM on November 18, 2010

you cur.

Limoncello
posted by The Whelk at 11:05 AM on November 18, 2010

Malt whisky :)
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:25 AM on November 18, 2010

Negroni.
posted by languagehat at 2:41 PM on November 18, 2010

Obama.

What are we doing, again?
posted by shakespeherian at 2:51 PM on November 18, 2010

awaiting the inevitable
posted by The Whelk at 3:25 PM on November 18, 2010

wondering when NBC is gonna cal me for that The Walking Mad Men think.
posted by The Whelk at 3:43 PM on November 18, 2010

I think you should call the show, "Dead Mad Men Walking."

You're welcome.
posted by misha at 5:20 PM on November 18, 2010

Don't tell Meatbomb whats going on in here.
posted by Sailormom at 5:55 PM on November 18, 2010

WTF did I do? I'm sorry for even starting this thing, aren't I?

I will spank myself until I realize.

But lemoncello, yes. Stop at 2.
posted by yesster at 7:18 PM on November 18, 2010

Welcome Ladies and Gentleman to

The Cardoso Lounge!
posted by clavdivs at 7:20 PM on November 18, 2010

Madeira.
A nice drought wrack hilled Serical sans Esgana Cão served in old lead stemware.
posted by clavdivs at 7:20 PM on November 18, 2010

anyone seen the girl with the Davenport?
posted by clavdivs at 7:25 PM on November 18, 2010

marimbas and a rhythm method.

dadatststststadatsdatatasatsts.
posted by clavdivs at 7:28 PM on November 18, 2010

I am your davenport, dear heart.
posted by yesster at 7:29 PM on November 18, 2010

"what happened at winks barbacue stan? sales are down."
posted by clavdivs at 7:31 PM on November 18, 2010

Rest your best upon my breast.
posted by yesster at 7:31 PM on November 18, 2010

genders like fenders are potentially benders
posted by yesster at 7:33 PM on November 18, 2010

{with ease slips 100 big ones for a Rumba man band 'too much brill creme, hardly'.}
posted by clavdivs at 7:34 PM on November 18, 2010

Tool
posted by clavdivs at 7:35 PM on November 18, 2010

thats a statement and trumbly drums to kick
posted by clavdivs at 7:36 PM on November 18, 2010

(hands yesster a BC powder)
posted by clavdivs at 7:37 PM on November 18, 2010

aw shucks. breakfast on me, if ya can drink yer eggs
posted by yesster at 7:39 PM on November 18, 2010

i forgot to refresh mty drink

with a warm beer from merry o
why yes
posted by clavdivs at 7:42 PM on November 18, 2010

ms clav wants to dance
posted by clavdivs at 7:44 PM on November 18, 2010

warm beers better than cold

i can turn on the stove, but why? everythin in glasses already
posted by yesster at 7:46 PM on November 18, 2010

dance, clav, dance dance while you can kisses to the missus, ahyep
posted by yesster at 7:47 PM on November 18, 2010

Any one seen my Chesterfeilds?
posted by clavdivs at 8:26 PM on November 18, 2010

I once trained to be a river boat pilot.
posted by clavdivs at 8:29 PM on November 18, 2010

Twain on jazz.
posted by yesster at 11:23 PM on November 18, 2010

Listen, this thread has become unstuck in time.
posted by The Whelk at 7:02 AM on November 19, 2010

Sooooooooo. . . anyone see Harry Potter last night?
posted by Think_Long at 9:37 AM on November 19, 2010

I'm in the alternate universe where The Magicians is an HBO show.
posted by The Whelk at 9:47 AM on November 19, 2010

I prefer the term Illusionist.
posted by Think_Long at 10:09 AM on November 19, 2010

incrvtvble is a good tag for this thread

deciphering it gets exhausting sometimes, especially on a friday night

clarity people, lets have some clarity here ;p
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:13 AM on November 19, 2010

Only for a day, the guy piloting hit a sand barge. I was suppose to be home by 7:00. Nope, I missed 'Rome'. Pilot was fired and i said to myself, "This job is to tenuous." But for a day, I watched alot of happy people ticked off because of a stuck paddlewheel. The Capn, he became skiffish, had first mate 'go below and handle the crowd"- enginner to the powerhouse, he handed me a fire extinguisher for a varity of reasons, the last being crowd control. "Why do children insist on throwing soda cans into the paddlewheel?
Thank god for the Mazurka.

tomorrow night im going to ask yesster to dance. Ms. clav approves. god knows i could use the foot work.
posted by clavdivs at 10:20 AM on November 19, 2010

gene wilder is my secret hero
posted by clavdivs at 10:22 AM on November 19, 2010

I'll be your gene wilder..wilder for money, mug when you want me to do.
posted by The Whelk at 10:25 AM on November 19, 2010

i smell commerce.
posted by clavdivs at 12:23 PM on November 19, 2010 [1 favorite]

I'll be your gene wilder

Worst Ke$ha song ever.
posted by Think_Long at 12:26 PM on November 19, 2010 [1 favorite]

HOW DID YOU GUESS?

I am thinking of going commercial
posted by The Whelk at 12:26 PM on November 19, 2010

fair trade? ;p
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:39 PM on November 19, 2010

Capitalism, baby.
posted by The Whelk at 1:04 PM on November 19, 2010

On a related note, everybody sings Private ______ when they come across "Private _____" in the world, right?

I'm your Private Message, messaging for money, do you what you want me to do.
I'm your Private Practice, practicing for money, do what you want me to do.
I'm your Private Sector, sectoring for money, do what you want me to do.

And such and such.

This was not a fun thing for the guy playing Private Willis in the production on Iolanthe I was in.
posted by SpiffyRob at 1:13 PM on November 19, 2010

I am uncomfortable because I have no idea what you're talking about SpiffyRob. I don't like it when people reference things that I don't understand.
posted by Think_Long at 1:14 PM on November 19, 2010

Spoiler Alert: He was Willising. Privately. For Money.
posted by SpiffyRob at 1:16 PM on November 19, 2010

Cheat Sheet
posted by SpiffyRob at 1:17 PM on November 19, 2010

whats that john wayne movie, they are going ashore on an LST some such, fans blowing just enoughh to the duke a slight spray, a the private comes to him
"Sarge I'm scared"

landing craft is not in the budget.
posted by clavdivs at 1:53 PM on November 19, 2010

laughing is not good editorial.
posted by clavdivs at 1:56 PM on November 19, 2010

Ghostbusters 2?
posted by Sailormom at 5:33 PM on November 19, 2010 [1 favorite]

ZAMBONI
posted by The Whelk at 6:56 PM on November 19, 2010

ARE YOU ALL STILL IN HERE?
posted by jquinby at 7:30 PM on November 19, 2010

Everybody's got to be SOMEwhere.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 9:15 PM on November 19, 2010

I'm RIGHT here :)
posted by The Lady is a designer at 4:05 AM on November 20, 2010

i figured THAT out
posted by clavdivs at 4:59 AM on November 20, 2010

*mmm brainssssss*
posted by The Lady is a designer at 5:28 AM on November 20, 2010

What should I have for breakfast?
posted by The Whelk at 5:31 AM on November 20, 2010

Scrambled eggs, home fries, bacon and hot buttered toast
posted by The Lady is a designer at 5:41 AM on November 20, 2010

Too many carbs.
posted by The Whelk at 5:51 AM on November 20, 2010

Pick one: bread or potatoes
posted by The Lady is a designer at 5:54 AM on November 20, 2010

Neither.
posted by The Whelk at 6:05 AM on November 20, 2010

. . .and hot buttered toast

hurhur you said 'hot butt'
posted by Think_Long at 6:40 AM on November 20, 2010 [1 favorite]

Whelk you should get an almond croissant from your nearest bakery. They are light and flaky enough to seem healthy, but buttery and sugar-filled enough to not be.
posted by Think_Long at 6:41 AM on November 20, 2010

Coffee and cigs are food right?
posted by The Whelk at 6:56 AM on November 20, 2010 [1 favorite]

Absolutely right, but one needs hot filling food as well.
posted by The Lady is a designer at 7:06 AM on November 20, 2010

I'm going to eat fried chicken and then go buy card stock.
posted by The Whelk at 7:21 AM on November 20, 2010

I'm going to eat and then start preparing to write my screed on design
posted by The Lady is a designer at 7:26 AM on November 20, 2010

I decided Saturday is no excuse for sloppiness and let the Ghost Of Prep Past decide my outfit choices. So I closed my eyes and shoved my hands into the three piles that cosittute my wardrobe and let this song guide me.
posted by The Whelk at 7:45 AM on November 20, 2010

I am seriously pulling off a yellow vest with green pants and a red tie without looking like a Chiclren's book character. I'm that good.
posted by The Whelk at 7:56 AM on November 20, 2010 [1 favorite]

the three piles that cosittute my wardrobe

A cosittute is a costume for a prostitute.
posted by albrecht at 8:36 AM on November 20, 2010

Pics or GTFO.
posted by Sailormom at 8:55 AM on November 20, 2010

RIVET294 3/8 004 14.25 14.375

DORS18-LEFT TH15/16

(TOLERANCE .0002)

RIVET295 3/8 004 14.625 14.75

DORS18-LEFT TH15/16

(TOLERANCE .0002)

cite?
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 11:41 AM on November 20, 2010 [4 favorites]

Okay then Sailormon
posted by The Whelk at 12:03 PM on November 20, 2010 [1 favorite]

I'm rivetted, that's adorable
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:08 PM on November 20, 2010

One should always dress like one is about to be scour stacks of books or occult lore.
posted by The Whelk at 12:15 PM on November 20, 2010 [1 favorite]

Also that shot doesn;t pick up the slight pink and blue stripes in the shirt ...I went to a New Orleans-ish place for brunch and notced I was decked out in red/purple (tie) gold (vest) and green (pants.)

Funny how that happens. I once wore an entire metafilter outfit without realizing it..
posted by The Whelk at 1:07 PM on November 20, 2010

You're just fishing for the lyrics of Karma Chameleon aren't you George?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:14 PM on November 20, 2010

Strictly speaking I tumble for no one (bad back)
posted by The Whelk at 1:29 PM on November 20, 2010 [1 favorite]

Well I wouldn't really want to hurt you.
posted by Sailormom at 3:27 PM on November 20, 2010

then you shouldn't have given it away the very next day
posted by The Lady is a designer at 3:42 PM on November 20, 2010

Fresh Baked Boys Rodeo Pants
posted by clavdivs at 4:01 PM on November 20, 2010

'...They are not the judicial, but the legislative twig.'

insomnauts
posted by clavdivs at 4:07 PM on November 20, 2010

You gotta have faith faith faith
posted by The Whelk at 4:30 PM on November 20, 2010

cite?
Q, you have my phone number, call me, it should redirect to my new one, you minx, you.

if not you know what, when, were, who to jangle and jiggle.
Smidgeon Juice....


"who was joachim"
posted by clavdivs at 4:39 PM on November 20, 2010

I decided to re-read 'Johnson Family', from Burroughs Adding Machine that right away brings me to Jack Black. Now the contrast to say Hornung is evident. Quite. Not many aristos in this lot no sir re. Raffles is just ether induced oil stains from jims' scotch infused cocaphoira. But it has snap, good rounded words almost like Campion, almost.


THERES SAFETY IN NUMBERS
BECOME A SUBWAY BUDDY

-Civilian Defense
posted by clavdivs at 6:24 PM on November 20, 2010

adding machine was the metaphor that kerouac literalized, no?
posted by yesster at 7:11 PM on November 20, 2010

{whelk dances with clavdivs; yesster pervs off to the side, latent heterosexualism notwithstanding}
posted by yesster at 7:14 PM on November 20, 2010

You are all here, in here, with me
posted by The Whelk at 7:39 PM on November 20, 2010

ok yesster im goona find some music see you in 10
posted by clavdivs at 7:55 PM on November 20, 2010

whelk can hang with toby
posted by clavdivs at 8:11 PM on November 20, 2010

Excuse me, but I am IN COLOUR
posted by The Whelk at 8:13 PM on November 20, 2010

you be toby i'll be roy.
ok yesster, lets start here its for you Migs and yesster

(que to 4 minutes 40 seconds)
im hunt for a nice proper dance.
posted by clavdivs at 8:39 PM on November 20, 2010 [1 favorite]

can you believe patrick mcgoohan turned down the led for Bond
posted by clavdivs at 8:41 PM on November 20, 2010

Begin the Beguine
posted by clavdivs at 8:59 PM on November 20, 2010

{a cadillac, new shiny shoes, snappy tie and crisp cuffs}
what a voice eh
posted by clavdivs at 9:02 PM on November 20, 2010

{requests 'moonlight in vermont' nods to dutch shipping magnate}
posted by clavdivs at 9:04 PM on November 20, 2010

huh
posted by The Whelk at 9:16 PM on November 20, 2010

Can I join or do I need an adapter for the parts?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:15 AM on November 21, 2010

an agent, lots of acronyms.
posted by clavdivs at 12:49 AM on November 21, 2010

araby now thats a fair
posted by clavdivs at 12:51 AM on November 21, 2010

hired the agent, where's the fair?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:52 AM on November 21, 2010

lots of shiny titles?
posted by clavdivs at 12:55 AM on November 21, 2010

The Earl is a designer or Duke maybe?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:01 AM on November 21, 2010

heh
posted by clavdivs at 1:03 AM on November 21, 2010

name me three fair things in araby
posted by clavdivs at 1:04 AM on November 21, 2010

Araby
posted by clavdivs at 1:06 AM on November 21, 2010

you should hear me say it... arby's
posted by clavdivs at 1:07 AM on November 21, 2010

fine porcelain, sumptuous textiles and luminescent works of art
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:08 AM on November 21, 2010

shall i put in a request? a sonata?
posted by clavdivs at 1:08 AM on November 21, 2010

I'd hear you say it if i hear the ring
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:09 AM on November 21, 2010

serenade for schehrezade
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:10 AM on November 21, 2010

something less machine gun funny?
posted by clavdivs at 1:10 AM on November 21, 2010

hmmm
posted by clavdivs at 1:11 AM on November 21, 2010

r-k
i love procession of the nobles...that right?
posted by clavdivs at 1:13 AM on November 21, 2010

hark! a herald! the Lord returneth from the crusades today... shall I spit the boar on the roasting pyre and shake out the tapestries?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:15 AM on November 21, 2010

i saved this ya know
with sound.
posted by clavdivs at 1:18 AM on November 21, 2010

Struggling, as his convoluted syntax makes apparent, "to mean what I // mean to mean something:" (54), Ammons creates in Garbage a poetic form to represent the landfill on which he meditates. He, like the bulldozer-driving garbage spreader in section 4, purposively develops a non-hierarchical flat form; in fact, Ammons uses the superlative, saying Garbage is to be his "flattest poem" (14), despite the poem/dump's proclivity to mound up. His signatory use of the colon isolates words, clauses, and phrases just as so many individual pieces of rubbish headed for the heap, along with the equally worn out "old deck chairs, // crippled aluminum lawn chairs, lemon crates / with busted slats or hinges" (30-31).

i think its bull.
posted by clavdivs at 1:23 AM on November 21, 2010

god is in the details
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:23 AM on November 21, 2010

halo burger
posted by clavdivs at 1:28 AM on November 21, 2010

grill needs cleaning and refilling before teatime
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:29 AM on November 21, 2010

tjhats good
posted by clavdivs at 1:30 AM on November 21, 2010

not a bad paper really
posted by clavdivs at 1:33 AM on November 21, 2010

textual healing ?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:34 AM on November 21, 2010

have you read ali zarrin?
posted by clavdivs at 1:35 AM on November 21, 2010

so few hours of light, so much to do but the ears are available
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:39 AM on November 21, 2010

you have blocked the reply button you silly goose
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:41 AM on November 21, 2010

k, that was fun but I have a castle to clean and a hearth to light. wine opens the portcullis
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:47 AM on November 21, 2010

cant figure it out
posted by clavdivs at 1:53 AM on November 21, 2010

try sms, outta here
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:58 AM on November 21, 2010

k
posted by clavdivs at 1:59 AM on November 21, 2010

l
posted by flabdablet at 4:19 AM on November 21, 2010

m
posted by Sailormom at 7:12 AM on November 21, 2010

n
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 7:47 AM on November 21, 2010

O
posted by The Lady is a designer at 7:54 AM on November 21, 2010

P
posted by readery at 8:21 AM on November 21, 2010

s
posted by The Lady is a designer at 8:27 AM on November 21, 2010

I am 26 what is this?
posted by The Whelk at 8:44 AM on November 21, 2010

it is sisyphus with cameraphone hoping to wave the drinks cart his way
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:10 AM on November 21, 2010

dude just use the button. You can pay for drinks at your seat now. Simmer down.
posted by The Whelk at 9:23 AM on November 21, 2010

Ooh, we know a song about that.
posted by Abiezer at 9:27 AM on November 21, 2010

So here is a test, listen to this song and try not to think of awful things.
posted by The Whelk at 9:29 AM on November 21, 2010

The Lady is above reproach!
i have a fireplace to rebuild- the line is OPEN
hi whelk.
posted by clavdivs at 9:47 AM on November 21, 2010

You've been homemaking too?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:50 AM on November 21, 2010

btw, The Whelk, since you're probably more uptodate with music than I am, any recommendation for a song about missing the presence of someone?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:02 AM on November 21, 2010

My musical tastes are chronologically tangled
posted by The Whelk at 10:05 AM on November 21, 2010

ah.. thanks, but... not quite
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:25 AM on November 21, 2010

what you think of this one?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:33 AM on November 21, 2010

You know that I'd be with you if I could.
posted by Sailormom at 10:42 AM on November 21, 2010

I don't know much
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:58 AM on November 21, 2010

AskMe 8 ball says DTMFA
posted by flabdablet at 3:02 PM on November 21, 2010

This one feels a bit bereft as well
posted by flabdablet at 3:15 PM on November 21, 2010

It's so clear that all we have now
posted by Sailormom at 3:39 PM on November 21, 2010

oh for crying out loud, why the sorrow/ we have so much to look forward to/ like meeting eyes tomorrow
posted by The Lady is a designer at 3:55 PM on November 21, 2010

says you
posted by flabdablet at 3:56 PM on November 21, 2010

and furthermore
posted by flabdablet at 4:02 PM on November 21, 2010

Dear god if I shave my beard off I don't resemble myself at all. It's kind of spooky.
posted by The Whelk at 4:43 PM on November 21, 2010

no strike that it is very spooky. I have a completely differently shaped face.
posted by The Whelk at 4:43 PM on November 21, 2010

golly
posted by flabdablet at 4:48 PM on November 21, 2010

with the beard I look like someone who really should be getting back to the A.V room, without the beard I look like someone who really should be getting back to beating the living shit out of the kids in the AV room.

I am my own bully, basically.
posted by The Whelk at 4:53 PM on November 21, 2010

My, a real Yankee.
posted by clavdivs at 5:14 PM on November 21, 2010

"Phil... Say, you said the Van FrumDurn contract was secure, 'put the Westinghouse on oscillate', Look, Ena, Ida and Ada, in the accounting pool, they confirm that everything is Pall Mall... Everything is Jiffy ...it has art-the fiche, No, Pringles has it should be there in a Snapple, No-Hidden Valley is the working title, Right." Thursday: barbecue at Applebees.
posted by clavdivs at 11:30 PM on November 21, 2010

Beards, when done well, can be suave, sophisticated and stylish.
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:54 PM on November 21, 2010

They may also be employed in conjunction with the drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal depleneration.
posted by flabdablet at 2:24 AM on November 22, 2010 [1 favorite]

And now it is Monday.
posted by SpiffyRob at 6:11 AM on November 22, 2010

So it is.
posted by The Whelk at 7:36 AM on November 22, 2010

Sew, itis.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:46 AM on November 22, 2010

I need a place that sells copper buttons.
posted by The Whelk at 7:49 AM on November 22, 2010

WFIM.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:37 AM on November 22, 2010

Por favor? Qu'est que c'est "WFIM"?
posted by The Lady is a designer at 10:29 AM on November 22, 2010

Well, fuck, it's Monday.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:09 AM on November 22, 2010

ah so, arigato gozai mas

OSTT
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:23 AM on November 22, 2010

today marks the day...i wont go there.... i was in Philly at Hubbers 7th and 8th. there was a news box, to loose saloons and a cop named marty.

the patina of copper does not register with my timbre reen.

fishy, a rainy monday at that. fishy was bushy. F3 is sleek, more respectful in a Capri way. like beer and LAUWRA going to houston.
but five fresh fish has a cadence with a Motown 'Hmmph' and i know
motown
posted by clavdivs at 2:32 PM on November 22, 2010

Dou itashi mashite.
posted by clavdivs at 3:11 PM on November 22, 2010

.
posted by clavdivs at 2:22 PM on November 23, 2010

Now now.
posted by Sailormom at 7:24 PM on November 23, 2010

Nope. Not buying Walking Dead.
posted by The Whelk at 8:29 PM on November 23, 2010

you artist types
posted by clavdivs at 11:12 PM on November 23, 2010

fresh storyboard. Zombies more living burning city saga smoke plenty of it timing is a factor spatial JC the element of suppplies running low killed jericho loved that but selling your socks for radiator hooch so 64 page panel no triple it supplies low evident a secret holdout somewere helecopter pan shots jargon lots of bullets and teeth we cant touch damnation ally but i want that Hardy Kruger feel do we have zepplins we are talking improv new methods to stop the hoards but no soviet linking these hoards are non political no fans no squeky beds no posters or bedclothes 'plasma' will be the lab plamsa female master plan person 20 males 20 females in all its diversity the communications department will not be included in the final save these people in a mountain scenrio it killed jericho that ya no more weepy looking for lost love ones 28 times 2=commerce so in a factory not of these 300-400 people places were talking vast complexes something with its own zipcode no spandex latex republicans unless they stop being one around lincoln even then the theatre whelk earl warren wants his diary back
posted by clavdivs at 11:32 PM on November 23, 2010

6 minutes.wasted.
posted by clavdivs at 11:33 PM on November 23, 2010

/
posted by clavdivs at 5:49 PM on November 24, 2010

watch a heel crush crush uh oh this means no fear cavalier a tournament a tournament a tournament of lies offer me solutions offer me alternatives but I decline
posted by klangklangston at 7:45 PM on November 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

I feel
posted by Sailormom at 8:09 PM on November 24, 2010 [1 favorite]

{hands 10,000 pennies to klang for jukebox}
remember channel 50 in Detroit klang. they use to play willa wonka every year at thanksgiving. The house smells like an onion factory but the JB weilded fireplace is lit and the smoke rolls gently up. This time of year always reminds me of the small meadow by Wines school.
so i roll the green log and this one is for hometown klang
posted by clavdivs at 8:50 PM on November 24, 2010

I feel

like...a Lidoderm patch?
posted by clavdivs at 8:52 PM on November 24, 2010

Hat-trick from Siddle, FFS. Well done him though, great bowling.
posted by Abiezer at 10:02 PM on November 24, 2010

Hat-trick from Siddle, FFS. Well done him though, great bowling.

You will need a size 8 bowling shoe. Flip-flops scuff.
posted by clavdivs at 10:13 PM on November 24, 2010

18
ZADVS VGQ GM KW WLZSLAOSKXJAYZLWFWVS FVX AFV Z AEJW SDOGJDVXAFV ZAEKEADW

HAPPY TURKEY DAY MEFI.
posted by clavdivs at 9:22 AM on November 25, 2010

I am eating ...walking bird.
posted by The Whelk at 9:24 AM on November 25, 2010

Fucking Macy's parade just has like so much hilarious subtext. Yeah, American Idiot! And isn't Cotton-Eye Joe a metaphor for boozing yourself blind?
posted by klangklangston at 9:29 AM on November 25, 2010

That damn thing turns my block into the corner of Stroller And Crying every damned year.
posted by The Whelk at 9:33 AM on November 25, 2010

Can't you just throw a bucket of water out the window and tell them to shut up?
posted by klangklangston at 9:48 AM on November 25, 2010

that would require moving and I am still in the grips of SINIUSAUR- RUINATION OF HOLIDAYS.
posted by The Whelk at 9:49 AM on November 25, 2010

Snot rocket.
posted by klangklangston at 10:37 AM on November 25, 2010

that's not gonna get me to Mars dude.
posted by The Whelk at 11:02 AM on November 25, 2010

there's a Mars dude? is he, like, related to the caret topped Dell dude?


sorree! outta here now
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:35 AM on November 25, 2010

Carrot Top was 1010220 not Dell.
posted by klangklangston at 1:31 PM on November 25, 2010

sorree! outta here now

you need to cough up some fish sister, a sonata, a poem, a greasegun instruction.
Je vous ai donné un marteau. Utilisez-le.
...shewshhh thanksgiving stresses me out.

Klang does not like my Storm Lake Iowa DJ circa 1983. It was hasty. Typing is the part of the telegraphikal yuk-yuk. Ever do Morse Klang, not the fictional detective nor John Thaw which is The Whelks' skit, but is an art and a craft. Like the brain tells the hand to Rumba. New pauses, a dribbled tap. transmit a test, under 1 minute before schedule knowing the other person who you have never met would answer back even if he was in the outhouse...in time. Edison was joksta telegrapher, an instinct but he had to work at it. History will probably record a bribe or that boxcar tom really just started a mobile fruit, nut and candy stand. Once I drove to Port Huron at about 85-125 mph and searched until daylight for a some old depot. got gacked and fished....always bring reference and tackle on a drunken historical folly.

"THE DEAD SAILORS SIR, ARE COLLECTING":
Big house tonight,11 people...the jingle and the jabber "my boards are wrong, these galleys will not do... Fu$k it, I am moving to Togo" That smiley dreck and tie. Scottish drinking songs. "Gotta get the Ice" is good once only then they start looking for you in the car with a gun metal bong watching the Lions. WTF? nephew. Then the ever devolving "WARSAW I TELL YOU". oh ya, always 2 or 3 everywere. But i turned off the news feed. 20 minutes on naval tactics and he still brings his VHS of Potemkin
It been quit for an hour.
posted by clavdivs at 8:05 PM on November 25, 2010 [1 favorite]

you use the hammer and stand there undefended, go on my throat is exposed
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:31 PM on November 26, 2010

In 'combat' lower the chin. stand feet part knees bent slightly. a postion of counter-attack. protect the center and it will protect. Use the opponents strengh and energy to counter the offense learn to deflect this is using the attackers energy against them. keep your hands like...a mitten and hold them out. this is part not the whole. you must see what the attacker is doing awareness prevents suprise but this is also learned.

weres your fish hmm...come on with it a song, a story, some minor repartee.
posted by clavdivs at 5:41 PM on November 26, 2010

song i will sing, but no fish/ what are you / a trained seal? / defenses down/ man the barricades/ defeated and retreated
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:23 PM on November 26, 2010

seals are very smart and jebus are they cute. "fish"= meme. a song. story. movie you saw. something that, something etc. a cultural universal like pogo sticks in Jakarta.

this thread has improved my typing with along with the delicate dances of Mavis Beacon. was going to do a skit on the American Phili-buster.
then I Thought about a two-step on Shaw. men/flat earth/ truth.

I will tell a meme. it is about what was said in this thread
Sisyphus etc.
The Allusion Club and it goes back to uni.
historical puzzles decoupaged. laugh at the absurd nature of real contemplation.
"first it was the money then it was everything" you see. anything like a bob ross painting.
allusion. make it what you will and remember Zeppo if mirrors start pop-up. The idea of the allusion club is to dissipate the apparatus most felt. you discount you own humanness and it wins like 'things that go bump in the night'.
remember the couriers. when the photo speaks a thousand and one words and the poem reaches no one. it is not an allusion?

"The 'devil' has always been free from the vessel. This is what fools are for, tricking the 'devil' back into the box."
posted by clavdivs at 12:45 AM on November 27, 2010

"We go around telling each other, I do this, I do that ‑ but how do we know this "I" really has any "I" to it? You dream you're a bird and soar up into the sky...."

-Chuang Tzu, (Confucius to Yen Hui)

posted by clavdivs at 8:01 PM on November 9 [+] [!]

You dream you're a bird
You dream you're a bird


posted by clavdivs at 4:26 PM on November 27, 2010

bird Imagery in Isben. round-robin?
posted by clavdivs at 4:28 PM on November 27, 2010

IBsen, I can never get that right and it is horrid. I dont say ibsen like lisbon.
posted by clavdivs at 4:30 PM on November 27, 2010

grahmn greene. Rather new to my cupboards.
ill skip IBsen we know about bird imagery in the Doll House.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article3237558.ece

I feel green.

“Anglais, terriblement anglais” i love this article.

To believe that letters affect to show what he was “really like” discounts his mutability.

now there is something to be said.

'in his late, hyperbolic pamphlet J’accuse, he posed as the Émile Zola of the Côte d’Azur.'

this is high fucking comedy folks. epic. Titians battle they always do. but even in the in-human things (we) do human snaps back reflexive. Exasperating. Thats why I started with the essays. comfortable. more. fire side and tea not pins and needles.

The smiling villian does not hand you a fish.
.
its empirical.
I'll break rank. good to see Dan typing.
that man pinned my ass to the semantic wall quicker then his keyboard. sheeee-at.
need to reboot-
posted by clavdivs at 11:32 PM on November 27, 2010

"In Manuel de Lope’s novel “The Wrong Blood,” set during the first rumblings that led to the Spanish Civil War, he writes “... nobody knew this at the time and those who had premonitions wouldn’t go so far as to believe them, because fear rejects what intuition accepts.”

come on the guy lifted that from Grahm Greene...for got the "Love".
posted by clavdivs at 11:42 PM on November 27, 2010

HA. see the energy wasted tracing down slanted facts.

Titus Oakes....
posted by clavdivs at 11:47 PM on November 27, 2010

'One London Fog': "I saw light in the distance. Slowly it became clearer and clearer and finally I could make it out. It was the end of my cigarette."

-Bob Hope, "I owe Russia $1200".

Bob had a good soft shoe and some good one-liners. 65 pages. of pictures but him dressed up as a japanese solder? That takes an essay.

more maslow. who said that "Less Fighty". Raucous lite.
I ordered my first book on-line had some extra soup. hope it comes soon.
'cause its cool.
posted by clavdivs at 11:45 PM on November 28, 2010

Well you know
posted by Sailormom at 12:01 PM on November 29, 2010

oh well, c'est la vie, que sera sera
posted by The Lady is a designer at 12:23 PM on November 29, 2010

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "To wait in line for tacos."
posted by SpiffyRob at 12:38 PM on November 29, 2010

And discuss cabbages and kings while waiting in line I suppose? ;p
posted by The Lady is a designer at 3:09 PM on November 29, 2010

Sailormom: thats the only song linked in this thread i listened too to two
I love that song.

oh well, c'est la vie, que sera sera

cracked Upper Corinthian please. though i could at one time, at 5'11' 3/4, hold my best in BB/Flint knows basketball and boxing.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "To wait in line for tacos."

that is brilliant it could be a comic caption or a pastyice smirk i love it and has a wonderful Image no matter its real intent.YEAh. and it fits to yesstir premise of this post. stay on topic...

You 3 realized i bloomfestivfied myself into this place and i did not have the shame to never return but the foolish courage to stay.
Example: ham-fisting.
thats why i never make a post it would be odious to me. I have worked on one for 6-7 years, well 3 posts really. but to FFP a youtube with little peckish...huhuhu letes talka bou this, is not my schtick .
funny and truthful, if researched, the day this post was made, i was going to post less if not at all and this old advice that came from very old and respected mefis IMO. Roughly: cut back on 96% of the jabber, raise/make a point and quit being an ass. Thats why i broke rank and mentioned Dan.
he helped change my life and i dont know him. that xffect is evident in my own life, in the blue...
c'est la vie, que sera sera

Brutus. totally misunderstood in his taste in art.

WORK THE PROBLEM. My dad said. very Naval, very enginerry, very practical. We should all have t-shirts along with Aretha Franklin CDs given at birth and some proscribed implementation.

In 1996 i lost my father, a man wise bar few.
so saliormom and crowd of 6 this one is for my father.
posted by clavdivs at 9:56 PM on November 29, 2010 [1 favorite]

dear diary. HMMM
i wander to much, get a calender, get a second job.
30 days in the hole?

'the waves are no longer white-feathered pigeons conveying messages of love and...'

-Faizi
posted by clavdivs at 11:02 PM on November 30, 2010

the waves were covered in ice thus frozen immobile under the glare
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:19 AM on December 1, 2010

this I will need time for.i need to chop wood, first snow today. the world feels
happy.
posted by clavdivs at 12:45 PM on December 1, 2010

Fanny Moisseieva?
posted by clavdivs at 12:47 PM on December 1, 2010

I wish I could find the negatives for a roll of film I shot a couple years ago when Michigan got that huge, incapacitating snowfall. The trucks plowed it all into a playground near my house, building this hills of snow that were around eight feet high. They looked cool to start with, but looked even cooler when it got warm enough for them to melt. Because the trucks had rolled the snow up (you know, like plows do), as they melted, they looked like giant, frozen waves of water. Every time I go back to Michigan, I hope to find those negatives, or get a massive snowfall. Either one.
posted by klangklangston at 3:08 PM on December 1, 2010 [1 favorite]

I hope so too klang, ever drive by the 777 building on eisenhower, the 7 for short? In the big parking lots, blizzard of 77' made oddles of tunnels. dad went into work on saturdays and i brought a shovel.
poetry?
gosh i remember that spray painted somewere in A2 for years.

I pulled out Hutchinsons 'A poetics of Postmodernism' never wise, ms. clav and i get all fighty and and smoke half pack with "One great big festering neon distraction" thundering like a jackhammer and I do not jest as i do not listen to music. well sometimes. Gram was a music/french teacher so i was ....poor tone deaf little clav. the only one not to play an
insrument.


(Funny, the first girl i had a crush on studied in Japan for violin) ((My first love in 2nd grade was a daughter of a greek cobbler, a master craftsman bar none, respect oozed through grace and he had a warm face))
pops sung like an angel but i leanrt myself to sing a bit

anywho chap 8. 'intertextuality, parody and the discourses and history' some montaigne epigram, another chap to translate then read...

"Today, there is a return to the idea of common discursive "property" in the embedding of both literary and historical texts in fiction, but it is a return made problematic by overtly metaphysical assertions of both history and litereature as human constructs."

Ibid. Pg 125.
The Edward Said i cant quite graps. Historicity...the parody of postmodern from medieval etc... an imitation (Greene) dante to doctorow, texts are "fair game"
in older times "stolen" to common property "these happenings imagined or real lay outside of language the way history itself is supposed to, in a condition of pure occurence" from Gass' quote.
i took an asprin.


did you know a Presley was my father and mothers best man at thier wedding?
no and yes a...

nests in trees look like dead ballons
posted by clavdivs at 10:18 PM on December 1, 2010 [2 favorites]

1.

I made some coin today and that’s something. Which led me to Hans- Georg Gadamer. the ‘Applied hermeneutic’ ‘H-G Gadamer on Education, Poetry and History'.

‘Are the Poets falling Silent?'*

“In our society, which is increasingly ruled by automats mechanisms and where the word no longer creates direct communication, the question arises: what power and what possibilities can the art of words, poetry, still have.”

He explained Valery’s’ metaphor between spoken word, everyday stuff and the poetic word. “The spoken word is like a coin, it had meaning in something that is not fully tangible. The coin of the past “had as well the value which it signified, since the metallic value of the coin equaled its value as a coin…..In poetry, when one is directed away from the word, one is also at the same time directed back to it; it is the word itself which guarantees that about which it speaks.”
After 2 pages and the start of the shadow-text. I have to go back to Marranne Moore.
So, Is the coin of Caesar worth more the its weight in gold? Is the counterfeit? Which made me think of the parable of ‘that which belongs to Caesar’... deftly spinning the coin.

In the second paragraph he writes:
“Must all literature now be Litterature Engagee….Without a doubt, the word of the poet in such a time must be different. It will be related to the reporting, casual nature, and dispassionateness of technical language.. But is the Poetic word thereby truly a reporting? Or can one demonstrate that even today one can still build a lasting image out of words, which is not passé but constant and forever? And which, therefore, still permits the “common spirit” to be expressed in a poem?”

‘In the rivers north of the future
I cast out the net, that you hesitantly weigh down
with stone-written
Shadows”

-Paul Celan

*Essay first published in 1970.
posted by clavdivs at 9:14 PM on December 2, 2010 [1 favorite]

Miss Marple remembers: 'I am out of glue.'
"My dear, you have soup on your tie"

'She was also a great fan of professional baseball and an admirer of Muhammed Ali.'-wiki@

Something about the Image folks that draws some larger context of gender and writing. IMO Moore had a compact full of dusting powder.

we start in "The New Poetry: An Anthology." The Macmillian Co., 1930. Ed. H. Monroe.
(used book 'ex-libris of sadie vee simmons' plate on frontice. I hate those placards. This is MY book. write your name, save the paste....3.00$...now must been from the 1$ rack....ok.
'Talisman' now we ride the prows of historys image reel. I'm thinking the vessels past trouble, probably in the Med aground...there waves laping the shepard finds the Lapis sea gull.
a treasure? a real bird blue dead by the wreck...coral feet. No, it is loot in bird form turned scarab, something objectivfied. Beak greeting
'Men Long Dead.'

The last decent Republican?

To William Carlos Williams: "If the value is valuable enough to one, one achieves it. So bless the collective wheelbarrow; with Wallace Stevens beside it like a Chinese beside a huge pair of oxen. . . .''

http://www.boston.com/globe/search/stories/books/books97/marianne_moore.htm

Cohesion is the subject matter.

'På vei til en venn' has not yet been translated into English


posted by clavdivs at 10:07 PM on December 2, 2010

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posted by grouse at 9:12 AM on December 3, 2010 [3 favorites]

door.table.window.chair.picture.door.table.window.chair.
door.table.window.chair.picture.door.table.window.chair.
door.table.window.chair.scibble.door.table.window.chair.
door.table.window.chair.picture.door.table.window.chair.
posted by clavdivs at 11:53 AM on December 3, 2010

'culture and value' wittengenstein. but first the x-mas decorations.
posted by clavdivs at 3:52 PM on December 3, 2010

clavdivs - I hope you know I love you dear.

I'm a former/reformed philosopher, turned engineer, turned manager. Now I handcraft things in a vein that is limited in both market and craftsmen. I welcome you to my shop anytime you're in the neighborhood. And I will make you a delicious meal of handcrafted pastas, if you eat that sort of thing.

Wittgenstein is still the most underrated of philosophers. Mary Hesse on analogy and models is . . . a model of what's what. All is metaphor/pattern/play.

Enjoy your company my friend.
posted by yesster at 7:38 PM on December 3, 2010

I need to start a flickr account since my boss can't manage a web site and won't let me do it god forbid I do anything but make things completely forgetting that I used to do that shit for a living and converted 1500 documents to web access in one week yeah no I gotta grind while he flails around in a darkness I could light if he'd let me.
posted by yesster at 7:43 PM on December 3, 2010

well, cobbling together ludwig and a daily activity proved hard. spent 25 minutes with him and himself but..
"Auch Gedanken fallen manchmal unreif vom Baum"

yesster, I hardly passed the six philosophy courses i took, though i aced phil. in Religion but Phil. in Lit and Film. failed.
twice. I did not agree with the teacher so i just did not do the work and sat in class and watched it devolve into silence. That cost me 958$ but i learned something.
I think it was 'The Searchers'.
you raised a question in the grey that my has suprised at least myself and i cannot say that is a bad thing.

so a quick meme. Ann Arbor, 1979. football weekend and those were fun times. I was 12 and my sister was with a sorority and we went to a game then to see Allens' 'Take the money and Run"
smoke and wine are passed (not to me) and the atmosphere was...then the violin...the plateglass window...i was on the floor laughing , i made a scence but they audience saw enjoyment reflected back and the laughter ripples through the house until woody gets drowned out. I got to stay at the sorority house that weekend and go to Bimbos. (old landmark) walked around the streets the rest of the evening, doing my w.c. fields.

I consider your welcome an honor and you owe me dance.
posted by clavdivs at 9:50 PM on December 3, 2010 [1 favorite]

correction: it was cello. :)
posted by clavdivs at 11:43 PM on December 3, 2010

In the fair trade barter economy wines and pastas are worthy of back rubs
posted by The Lady is a designer at 7:02 AM on December 4, 2010

ooh I will totally rub you, and feed you pasta and wine. I lean toward the gift economy.
posted by yesster at 6:14 PM on December 4, 2010

I had an article or about the Nixons family meat loaf recipes but it needs work. I need a third meatloaf source.

hello Lady, how are you.
Moved a desk into the study/bedroom. i have desk fetish. Nothing like moving into a desk. I love old film and Phil. and was going to rant a little on Korda. (always called philiosphy courses 'Phil.' I was in a little trifecta at Uni. and what a flurrry of arcane decoupaged funnies we cobbled. Like Flikr in the age of infotrack but power is comedy and thats were it lies in undergrad. My female comrades of course remarked about: male/philiosphy/{ers}/very large percentage of='Phil.') Anyways, at uni, i made the looped vcr/tv with 'Battleship Potemkin' locked in the vcr so that was all you could watch. It was placed in a spare room. I left the channels open, simply turn to channel 3 and you get rabbit ear-era tv. 95% would watch it for ten minutes then leave or turn it off. Sometimes what may be art is not. In the office for the Mag was a couch a desk and two chairs. I hung up a Michael Moore autograph signed TO KARL...M.M. (which is going to Madamejujujive when i find it) from 'Roger and Me' promo days in Flint and a poster of Ludwig. The Nixon meatloaf source awaits.
posted by clavdivs at 9:17 PM on December 4, 2010

Attention: The Attentionbot seeks Attention. Attention: Do Not Attend The Attentionbot. Attention: Attentionbot—Attention!
posted by five fresh fish at 10:18 PM on December 4, 2010 [1 favorite]

hi fishy.
posted by clavdivs at 11:40 PM on December 4, 2010

I could use a robot that paid attention to me. Does it cost more to validate?
posted by klangklangston at 3:55 AM on December 5, 2010

Four out of five fish can't possibly be fresh.
posted by Sailormom at 5:42 AM on December 5, 2010

the stench is overpowering tbh

hiya clav, am leaf in wind but listening to music - i like new desks too

thanks for your generosity yesster... for a back rub I'd grind the flour to make the pasta from scratch ;p
posted by The Lady is a designer at 7:12 AM on December 5, 2010

this is probably the only thread where this might make sense, ha! but here's one of teh biggest lies told to mankind. instilling the belief that if you are shining clean and innocent, have, to the best of your ability and knowledge never tread wrong nor done harm, held yourself apart from the messy vagaries of life's petty rat races, you will be left alone to live your life to the best of your ability

no, still they turn the fan on after loading the blades
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:57 AM on December 5, 2010

fans are big in movie metaphors.
posted by clavdivs at 10:41 AM on December 5, 2010

my net went down tonight. so it was a fire and some Poirot. Urbane? never liked him.

I could use a robot that paid attention to me. Does it cost more to validate?
posted by klangklangston

{buy the 'Hoover' attachment', validation is a warranty issue}

f3 is dear to me. he keeps me in check and that is good, always has since i have been here. Passion and conviction why argue?
ah lady, my desk is old and cheap. i just like cubby holes.

...lies to mankind ever told. vauge ambitions in metaphysical history?
posted by clavdivs at 11:34 PM on December 5, 2010

lies to humanity then ;p my typing arm hurts too much today to get into metaphysics, although I did try to live in a virtual world for a moment

my desk is from the discard heap but they say the maker is famous

my favourite desk I bought for $20 from a little old lady in monroeville who was losing her eyesight and her family was putting her away in assisted living. It has an embossed leather top, carved drawers on both sides and is made of wood
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:45 AM on December 6, 2010

you are utilitarian. well one cannot judge a desk by value but by purpose no?
posted by clavdivs at 2:32 AM on December 6, 2010

I don't know, I've spent the last five years attempting align values with purpose
posted by The Lady is a designer at 4:05 AM on December 6, 2010

well, good luck with that.
I have found a third nixon meatloaf source...
posted by clavdivs at 8:57 AM on December 6, 2010

Pat Nixons Meatloaf.

2 tablespoons butter
1 cup finely chopped onions
2 garlic cloves, minced
3 slices white bead
1 cup milk
2 pounds lean ground beef
2 eggs, lightly beaten
1 teaspoon salt
Ground black pepper, to taste
1 tablespoon chopped fresh parsley
1/2 teaspoon dried thyme
1/2 teaspoon dried marjoram
2 tablespoons tomato puree
2 tablespoons bread crumbs

Grease a 13 x 9-inch baking pan. Melt butter in a sauté pan, add garlic and sauté until just golden - do not brown. Let cool.

Dice bread and soak it in milk.

In a large mixing bowl, mix ground beef by hand with sautéed onions and garlic and bread pieces. Add eggs, salt, pepper, parsley, thyme and marjoram and mix by hand in a circular motion.

Turn this mixture into the prepared baking pan and pat into a loaf shape, leaving at least one inch of space around the edges to allow fat to run off. Brush the top with the tomato puree and sprinkle with bread crumbs. Refrigerate for 1 hour to allow the flavors to penetrate and to firm up the loaf.

Preheat the oven to 375 degrees F. Bake meatloaf on lower shelf of oven for 1 hour, or until meat is cooked through. Pour off accumulated fat several times while baking and after meat is fully cooked. Let stand on wire rack for five minutes before slicing.

Makes 6 servings.

-Source: The White House Family Cookbook by Henry Haller, 1987

tomorrow: Dicks from congressional cookbook 1961 but wait.
first we must contrast this.

'grand dame of the 123/oss' meat loaf

2 cups minced onions
2 tablespoons butter or oil
1 cup pressed-down homemade bread crumbs
2 pounds ground beef chuck
1 pound ground raw turkey plus
1 cup cooked rice (see note)
2 large eggs
1/2 cup beef bouillon
2/3 cup grated Cheddar cheese
2 cloves pureed garlic
2 teaspoons salt
1/2 teaspoon pepper
2 teaspoons thyme
2 teaspoons paprika
1 teaspoon allspice
1 teaspoon oregano
3 bay leaves
Directions:

Heat oven to 350. Saute the onions in the butter or oil 5 minutes or so, until tender and translucent; raise heat and saute a few minutes longer, until lightly browned. Scrape into a large mixing bowl. Combine all ingredients except the bay leaves in the bowl and mix together thoroughly, using first a wooden spoon and then your hands. Shape the mass into a free-form loaf on a buttered cookie sheet or into a buttered 8-cup loaf pan. Arrange the bay leaves on top. Bake in the lower middle of the oven for about 1-1/2 hours at 350 degrees. The meat loaf is done when the juices run almost clear with a pale pink tinge. A meat thermometer should read 155 degrees. Let cool for 30 minutes and pour off the fat and juices before serving.
Note: This meatloaf also can be made with a pound of ground pork shoulder or sausage instead of ground turkey. In that case, eliminate the cup of cooked rice.

Note: This meatloaf also can be made with a pound of ground pork shoulder or sausage instead of ground turkey. In that case, eliminate the cup of cooked rice.


parsley, dried thyme, dried marjoram. vs.

turkey plus.
posted by clavdivs at 7:27 PM on December 6, 2010 [1 favorite]

Dicks meatloaf will have to wait. Ms. Clav is analyzing the recipes and inflicting me with meatloaf till x-mas. I was flickering through Martins’ ‘Cinema In Revolution’. The section by Antoloi Golovnya is great. Of the Montage crowd he did not fuss about with the high brow scripting. A real nitrate fella. In 1924 Golovnya joined Kuleshovs’ Cinema technical team under cameraman Levitsky and formed a friendship with Pudovkin ( a visual resemblance to Oliver that is uncanny) . The film was ‘The Death Ray’. This is a real treat, I saw it once about 6 years ago and had not gotten around to torrent search when “the light went dim”. It has all the paranoid compartmentalized jejuna amerika grease paint drama - silver pants and ray gun hilarity. Reflexive for sure. Golovnyas article is ‘Broken Cudgels’. He writes:

“When we talk about teaching young men to make films, it means that we first of all to teach him-if he is a director-not to write scripts. Secondly, if you are a director of a film adapted from a literary work-respect its author…
We teach him also that every work must have social value; that he does not create it for his personal amusement, but for the people; that he has no right to create works that are harmful to society. For instance we are often asked: why don’t we show a film like ‘The Seven Samurai’ in the Soviet Union? Simply because if we did, louts would begin to fight with knives. In short, the method is a series of ‘Hows’-how to study the material, how to treat it, what aims to set, how to organize the work. All this learned by practice of the craft” (Pg. 144)
posted by clavdivs at 10:15 PM on December 7, 2010

'A Question of getting down to it, but how? Long days
I've spent in film studios considering the ways
Producers have tried to get under the skin
And far enough in but could't win.
Die freudlose Gasse, a simplistic city/...'

-Hugh MacDiarmid, 'Etika Preobrazhennavo Erosa'

'Sluggish amid jingo lost-glory and Bockbier films,
Set to goosestep measures and 3/4 takt;'

heh.

posted by clavdivs at 12:07 AM on December 8, 2010

Make the bay behave
posted by Joseph Gurl at 7:06 AM on December 8, 2010

Being a pisces, i can swim like a fish, two of my sisters were life guards, pops was in the navy and was in diving. neptune is cool.
the water line the water line the water line.
posted by clavdivs at 12:08 PM on December 8, 2010

I'll take your water line and raise you a sauna, hot and stoned
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:49 PM on December 8, 2010

One thing i dont do is gamble, to damn good at it, O'brother, taking a mans money because is drunk...might as well steal the pocket lint.

tonight: a redacted version of "Letters from Hell" (think: Dante 1890)
posted by clavdivs at 2:51 PM on December 8, 2010

for such an accomplished swimmer you panic too much is waht.. suave remember? suave, smooth, sophisticated.. etc
posted by The Lady is a designer at 2:59 PM on December 8, 2010

suave remember? suave, smooth, sophisticated.. etc
you either thinking of English Leather.
posted by clavdivs at 3:59 PM on December 8, 2010

Originally posted by Texas25RS
If the boot is torn, youeither need to replace it now before the cv joint runs out of lube and goes bad.
Or
If it is the boot closest to the trany, the seal between the axle and tranny may be leaking tranny fluid.
its not the tranny, its the boot close to the green axle? in the front right
it doesnt look torn, the lube is thick and its sprayed in a pattern.

i love internet
posted by clavdivs at 4:04 PM on December 8, 2010

Make the baby behave.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 7:35 PM on December 8, 2010

BURMA SHAVE!
posted by clavdivs at 11:17 PM on December 8, 2010

Suave beard, and that's myanmar
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:20 PM on December 8, 2010

oh, thats were i break rank, this subject is closed on ladies. here we whisper about she who now walks free and those who can chage that.
posted by clavdivs at 12:52 AM on December 9, 2010

rikey dokey see a michigan understnd my typing phonics, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdemar_Adolph_Thisted

"Letter from Hell" follow link. Funk & Wagnalls, publishers, 18 and 29 Astor place. 1890.(some rega, ya.)

oh a 1885 edition, tattered, could fetch 50$ that is some soup. a rough draft of the cable gate is somewhere. so.

Letter XII.
"I have been to the post office. That institution also is represented here, as i found out quite recently. truly nothing is wanting in this place except all that one needs in order to live ad to hope.
I had gone to inquire for letters. there is something very curious about this post office of ours. You have heard of befell Uriah. There have always been who, betraying thier neighbour, have done so by writing. But the invention is older then even in that notorious letter., originating, no doubt, with the father of lies in the first place. It is he who inspired who inspired this piece of treachery, just as he who inspired Judas' kiss..."

and he gones on and on etc. my lord, what agony. one of those books you just put on the shelf to scare and amuse. But i disagree, Judas was a cut-out. and was used because he had an honest approach to the trade of dishonesty. (typing remotly send..)
posted by clavdivs at 2:01 AM on December 9, 2010

Thanks to yesster, I have been re-aqiunted with the word processor. it is still a chore. Holy smoke its its easy on the eye no?

Typos galore. I’m glad I typed ‘Michigan’ as like others, it to has many a distinct "dialect?".
Inflections what have you. One model of the 1940s-through the 80s broadcaster was the 'Chicago schoo'l I calls it. It has that nasal flare and that can be modulated with ease into a rather concise “americanese”. Michigan is similar but mimicry is more the subject line. The cables from hell had a frame work. By themselves, if read, they could mean specific things or become a vague referent. Context? To break the “3rd wall”. I will say a trick to ‘clav’ is seeking the positive by negative means an age old technique. The question to myself is not about a screen name or some skit but as to the importance of the negative in relation to the positive out come which as many philosophies teach, is moment to moment. One has to listen to what is being said even if it is resistance and against a set of beliefs. This should be inherent as John Adams farting on his horse, he just lifted his butt a little.


Like Col. Kurtz after smoking a fat one- yeah
posted by clavdivs at 2:32 AM on December 9, 2010

...remember Charlie

and Maurice.

.
posted by clavdivs at 2:06 PM on December 9, 2010

did they sing home on the range or where the buffalo and antelopes play - I liked maurice, adn preferred harold to charlie
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:16 AM on December 10, 2010

Its charlie time, its life with teeth and smile not photon boxs and walls.
or what.
posted by clavdivs at 10:36 AM on December 10, 2010

eek, you're becoming pixellated...
posted by The Lady is a designer at 11:10 AM on December 10, 2010

should I call the postpeople and have them open the box. I dislike bothering the postpeople as they have enough mail to deliver. i donot think that avenue is open ... blocked by forces beyond my control. or what is close to that. In a week i shall be of for awhile. no having the filter on the browser for 12 hrs or more like some telegraph line. Unless I can take the lizzy with me.
this is a letter...or what. I liked your letter post Lady, did I mention that? quite apt and well researched. alas i do not post. Funny, what I once thought was an odious concept of some youtube>discuss, FFP is wrong. It is part of 2.0 im getting used to. not much time left for or what. I am not here for favorites or fans. I am here for selfish reasons. But i see how the filter has...it is not for me to define as that is odious.
Lady, your arguments in the original FFP that created this thread are still as valid as of that day, one month, what has changed. or what. I want QII to smock on over to my house for foonery. I want to...i want. not much to see as you can surmise. but when i welcome someone into my life i risk rejection...low self esteem i suppose. and when i break with a freind it is of the deepest reason that does not concern the world. your 1984ism, your point is it relevant ? It is not the initial response to intrusion but others that may be ‘dragged’ in and that creates a new playing field. It is akin to confession and all its broad implications. in psycological warfare,the arts 'is' the highest form of assault. this is common knowledge. the trick to that: an invisible skin deflects. wow, super stufy wuffy. The words become wasted and art devolves into factions. like anything like anything, the thinking mans retreat option. The real question is that what I am doing? Or what.

i would like to talk to yesstir about his art. But being “spooky mulder” makes that option about nil. that’s we love Ludwig. but i am an ass loud and shabby and will be in NYC come spring. i have some grace like anyone. confession revels and re-vaels reveals veal.
i am throttled by arguably the most complex language...something like English.
Even to me this seems highly unusual and I no longer question that. And good day.
posted by clavdivs at 12:47 PM on December 10, 2010 [2 favorites]

in the distance, i hear something... just close your eyes and
posted by The Lady is a designer at 1:09 PM on December 10, 2010

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posted by clavdivs at 6:34 PM on December 10, 2010

'Are we mentioned in dispatches.’

A few more chippies for the wood pile. Exciting times or what. The streets are not quiet but still. Contained. Tense. Tired yet alert like things that seemed to matter matter a little less. People strain to be civil and it works. I see, in real world an extension of civility to some extent but it has an eye like a salute of courtesy that should be returned. Holding open a door can spread more good will then typing but I need the practice. Seneca wrote: ‘What terror when they neared the siren’s lair.’ Well, the song was loud and happenstance has little to with the story. How misogyny ‘travails’ language. Forewarning rather then what may lie ahead. In Michigan, we hear them every first Saturday at 1:00 pm. I recall only two sirens going off, no 3, were shelter was called for in Michigan. Florida- puuhhht that’s like smoking dope, that. Here, lots of guns sales. That makes people feel safe. Ms. Clav drops off mail and here are three guys showing off there waist band holstered automatics in front of the Post office . You just wave or drive fast like and develop a sense of humors. That was two days ago. An average day- I guess, more or less. Any who. Richard E Rubenstein has a little tome called "Alchemists of Revolution", 1987. re-read a few passages I had marked 16-17 years ago. In fuckin pen too ya.

“Concrete bunkers may have their uses, but they cannot protect society against the violence of its own alienated youth. In a time of economic uncertainty and lowered political expectations….never the less…Young people hunger for morally satisfying careers, for linkage to the oppressed, for lives to have meaning outside the narrow circle of family and friends. And if other opprununities to satisfy their own ambition do not exist, some of them will attempt to create their own linkages through violence. That is why the effective counter-terrorist device yet discovered is popular mobilization for significant change. Domestic terrorism can be averted, in the long run, only when there are mass-based organizations capable of linking the youthful intelligentsia to the people.”

Hmm.
posted by clavdivs at 11:47 PM on December 10, 2010

6

This poem
if we shall call it that,
or concert of one
divided among himself,
this earthward gesture
of the sky-diver, the worms
on his back still spinning forth
and already gnawing away
the silks of his loves, who could have saved him,
this free floating of one
opening his arms into the attitude
of flight, as he obeys the necessity and falls . . .

7

Sancho Fergus! Don't cry!

Or else, cry.

On the body,
on the blued flesh, when it is
laid out, see if you can find
the one flea which is laughing.

Kinnell, The Book of Nightmares
posted by clavdivs at 9:33 AM on December 11, 2010 [2 favorites]

electronic text/bad for health/shut down system/fly!
posted by The Lady is a designer at 9:49 AM on December 11, 2010

two bombs go off in stockholm... gotta check the weather, came back here to get the wood and salt ready and say FANKS! for the typing time and love to all and remember, tinned food is a commodity.
see ya in the funny papers
posted by clavdivs at 12:45 PM on December 11, 2010

electronic text/bad for health/shut down system/fly!

you can have the last word.
posted by clavdivs at 12:56 PM on December 11, 2010

don't I always? ;p
posted by The Lady is a designer at 2:41 PM on December 11, 2010

Yes.
posted by flabdablet at 4:20 PM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]