More than a death notice February 7, 2011 7:45 PM Subscribe
My post, 'Beyond the Pyramids, The Square,' is not just an obituary.
People here get tired of obits, especially of people they aren't familiar with; sometimes I'm one. However, I didn't place the FPP with that in mind.
I'd never heard of Ahmed Basiony prior to his death and hearing his music for the first time I was sad and excited. The music he made is wonderful and my intention was to share it. It's in retrospect that I realize with different phrasing the post would have been about the music and his death would have been nodded to.
My posting here is to let people know that there is more going on in the FPP than an obit and if you're into experimental music then please feel free to check it.
People here get tired of obits, especially of people they aren't familiar with; sometimes I'm one. However, I didn't place the FPP with that in mind.
I'd never heard of Ahmed Basiony prior to his death and hearing his music for the first time I was sad and excited. The music he made is wonderful and my intention was to share it. It's in retrospect that I realize with different phrasing the post would have been about the music and his death would have been nodded to.
My posting here is to let people know that there is more going on in the FPP than an obit and if you're into experimental music then please feel free to check it.
It sucks when your framing determines the discussion rather than the content you intended to highlight. But we've all done it, we've all learned lessons (or hope we have) about how to make posts which pull people into what we want to emphasize. But for those threads which don't work as we intend, the only thing you can do is suck it up and move on.
posted by hippybear at 8:00 PM on February 7, 2011
posted by hippybear at 8:00 PM on February 7, 2011
I appreciate your trying to give this post more exposure, but posting to MetaTalk to say "look at my MetaFilter post" is not such a great idea. Maybe Music Talk if he is a musician you think other musicians should know about?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:00 PM on February 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:00 PM on February 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
I would like to moan about the tradition of placing periods as a moment of silence transforming into a tradition of placing periods as something to say when you literally have nothing to say.
This is probably not that thread.
posted by Think_Long at 8:18 PM on February 7, 2011
This is probably not that thread.
posted by Think_Long at 8:18 PM on February 7, 2011
Ugh. No. Let's not start doing this.
posted by iconomy at 8:20 PM on February 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by iconomy at 8:20 PM on February 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
This post has made me sad and excited.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:21 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:21 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Thanks Jessamyn, that's not a bad idea.
It wasn't a desire to gain more exposure for 'my' FPP; it was a desire to not allow the subject's light to be extinguished due to my own ineptness. The fellow deserves more recognition than he can possibly achieve (now) and I don't mind being a herald.
And Think Long, if you can hijack this thread I will go as far as Yugoslovia with you.
posted by artof.mulata at 8:27 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
It wasn't a desire to gain more exposure for 'my' FPP; it was a desire to not allow the subject's light to be extinguished due to my own ineptness. The fellow deserves more recognition than he can possibly achieve (now) and I don't mind being a herald.
And Think Long, if you can hijack this thread I will go as far as Yugoslovia with you.
posted by artof.mulata at 8:27 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
> "I would like to moan about the tradition of placing periods as a moment of silence [...]"
psssst. Go to the MeFi Wiki Greasemonkey page. Click the "Hide Obit Comments" link. Enjoy a much better MeFi experience.
posted by auto-correct at 8:27 PM on February 7, 2011
psssst. Go to the MeFi Wiki Greasemonkey page. Click the "Hide Obit Comments" link. Enjoy a much better MeFi experience.
posted by auto-correct at 8:27 PM on February 7, 2011
Also, this could be an askme.
perhaps narrow the field to say photos related to the subject or music that you may have missed on the web.
I really don't know what I'm doing here.
your cast as william bendix.
posted by clavdivs at 8:44 PM on February 7, 2011
perhaps narrow the field to say photos related to the subject or music that you may have missed on the web.
I really don't know what I'm doing here.
your cast as william bendix.
posted by clavdivs at 8:44 PM on February 7, 2011
And Think Long, if you can hijack this thread I will go as far as Yugoslovia with you.
If I were to hijack this thread, I would make it about Gossip Girl. We don't talk about GG nearly enough around here. What's wrong with you people?
posted by Think_Long at 8:50 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
If I were to hijack this thread, I would make it about Gossip Girl. We don't talk about GG nearly enough around here. What's wrong with you people?
posted by Think_Long at 8:50 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
XOXO
posted by unliteral at 9:06 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by unliteral at 9:06 PM on February 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
"I can't even get my own work done."
That's why we do the work of others.
Your capitalist system at work!
posted by artof.mulata at 9:07 PM on February 7, 2011
That's why we do the work of others.
Your capitalist system at work!
posted by artof.mulata at 9:07 PM on February 7, 2011
Maybe Music Talk if he is a musician you think other musicians should know about?
Wait...music has it's own talk page? Can Metatalk get one too?
posted by special-k at 9:17 PM on February 7, 2011
Wait...music has it's own talk page? Can Metatalk get one too?
posted by special-k at 9:17 PM on February 7, 2011
Is this the thread about criminally under-commented recent posts? Cool, I nominate Light Skeletons and Georgia Tom.
posted by mediareport at 9:22 PM on February 7, 2011
posted by mediareport at 9:22 PM on February 7, 2011
Wait...music has it's own talk page?
er... it's = its.
posted by special-k at 9:24 PM on February 7, 2011
er... it's = its.
posted by special-k at 9:24 PM on February 7, 2011
How many FPPs have more metatalk posts about them than comments?
posted by sanko at 10:04 PM on February 7, 2011 [4 favorites]
posted by sanko at 10:04 PM on February 7, 2011 [4 favorites]
It wasn't a desire to gain more exposure for 'my' FPP; it was a desire to not allow the subject's light to be extinguished due to my own ineptness.
The much better way to achieve that would be to comment in that thread, since anyway who sees it would be someone who's reading the thread. This post will mainly be read by people who wouldn't have looked at the FPP otherwise. That's why people are going to assume that you posted this to drive more visitors to your FPP.
posted by John Cohen at 10:07 PM on February 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
The much better way to achieve that would be to comment in that thread, since anyway who sees it would be someone who's reading the thread. This post will mainly be read by people who wouldn't have looked at the FPP otherwise. That's why people are going to assume that you posted this to drive more visitors to your FPP.
posted by John Cohen at 10:07 PM on February 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
That's why people are going to assume that you posted this to drive more visitors to your FPP.
No, I'm doing it because I'd completely forgotten I ever posted the darned thing. This thing, I mean. Apparently, the only FPP I'm responsible for that didn't get a single favorite.
posted by philip-random at 11:46 PM on February 7, 2011
No, I'm doing it because I'd completely forgotten I ever posted the darned thing. This thing, I mean. Apparently, the only FPP I'm responsible for that didn't get a single favorite.
posted by philip-random at 11:46 PM on February 7, 2011
John Cohen, you're right. I can hope that people might come here and read my statement on the matter, but I should post something to the thread, too.
posted by artof.mulata at 12:38 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by artof.mulata at 12:38 AM on February 8, 2011
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posted by foggy out there now at 1:22 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by foggy out there now at 1:22 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
My posting here is to let people know that there is more going on in the FPP than an obit and if you're into experimental music then please feel free to check it.
Um. This thread should be closed up. MetaTalk notices about FPP's and "what's going with them" by the OP are ridiculous. These comments could have, and should have, been included in the original post, or in a comment immediately following.
posted by phaedon at 1:45 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
Um. This thread should be closed up. MetaTalk notices about FPP's and "what's going with them" by the OP are ridiculous. These comments could have, and should have, been included in the original post, or in a comment immediately following.
posted by phaedon at 1:45 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
If I were to hijack this thread, I would make it about Gossip Girl.
The majority of comments here clearly prove that this thread has already been hijacked by a lively discussion about Adam and the Ants, so you back off there Think Long.
posted by Meatbomb at 3:17 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
The majority of comments here clearly prove that this thread has already been hijacked by a lively discussion about Adam and the Ants, so you back off there Think Long.
posted by Meatbomb at 3:17 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
auto-correct: psssst. Go to the MeFi Wiki Greasemonkey page. Click the "Hide Obit Comments" link. Enjoy a much better MeFi experience.
Anybody have any suggestions as to why I cannot install this script through GreaseFire, directly from UserScripts or even by copying the text into a new .js file?
posted by paisley henosis at 4:01 AM on February 8, 2011
Anybody have any suggestions as to why I cannot install this script through GreaseFire, directly from UserScripts or even by copying the text into a new .js file?
posted by paisley henosis at 4:01 AM on February 8, 2011
I've made, well, lots of music posts, and a fair amount of obit posts on deceased musicians, and I've seen many examples of both that didn't get the amount of attention (in the form of comments and/or favorites) that I would've liked. It is my considered opinion that this post of yours about an Egyptian musician got about as many comments and/or favorites as it would have even if it had not seemed like an obit post. I mean, fact is, among the whole of the Metafilter readership, there is just a relatively limited interest in music from far-flung corners of the globe. Every now and then everything will all come together in some fortuitous way, and a post about music from Africa or Asia or South America will garner lots of interest, but by and large, interest in these types of posts will be relatively small.
I think you may have been expecting a little too much from your post about this particular musician.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:42 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
I think you may have been expecting a little too much from your post about this particular musician.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:42 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
My good friend Meatbomb won't you please come over and Beat My Guest?
posted by Sailormom at 4:44 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by Sailormom at 4:44 AM on February 8, 2011
Are you calling yourself out? If not, you are doing this wrong.
posted by chunking express at 5:35 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by chunking express at 5:35 AM on February 8, 2011
While we're on the topic, I'd just like to remind everyone to read my comments. There's a lot going on in them. Even the old ones. If you haven't read them, they're new to you, as the saying goes.
posted by octobersurprise at 6:08 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by octobersurprise at 6:08 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
It's also a floor wax!
posted by Curious Artificer at 7:04 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Curious Artificer at 7:04 AM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
psssst. Go to the MeFi Wiki Greasemonkey page. Click the "Hide Obit Comments" link. Enjoy a much better MeFi experience.
posted by auto-correct at 10:27 PM on February 7 [+] [!]
Eponysterical!
posted by slogger at 7:12 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by auto-correct at 10:27 PM on February 7 [+] [!]
Eponysterical!
posted by slogger at 7:12 AM on February 8, 2011
It is ALSO a tavern.
posted by staggernation at 8:14 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by staggernation at 8:14 AM on February 8, 2011
Time for pie? Because this is supremely silly. More people should be reading and posting to the Six Day thread, but they are not. It's all God's plan.
posted by fixedgear at 8:26 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by fixedgear at 8:26 AM on February 8, 2011
artof.mulata : I suggest you contact google and buy some adwords for your post. I suggest snagging the key words "awesome," "obituary," and "self-promotion" to start out with.
posted by crunchland at 8:51 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by crunchland at 8:51 AM on February 8, 2011
I f you want to do harsh or ugly please go to the current nazi FPP.
If you're still questioning my intentions then bully for you, but please, don't be a bully.
There's enough spite in the world already without having to experience it in one of the few online communities I've taken the time to actually invest in.
Rebuttals are difficult as it's probably always better to ignore someone when their rudeness isn't going to spoil your fun time. Sadly, I find that the level of cynicism, of condescension, is rising here. I have no stats to back that up, of course, but it feels that way.
There are people here I'm willing to take a tongue-lashing from as it's obvious that they are putting some thought into their criticism; filthy light thief, above, is a good example. The converse form where the drive-by quality of the insult is its total capsulization only serves its creator. Those petty pills will be discarded.
That being said... Hi everybody and have a pleasant NOW! Buy my book!
posted by artof.mulata at 9:18 AM on February 8, 2011
If you're still questioning my intentions then bully for you, but please, don't be a bully.
There's enough spite in the world already without having to experience it in one of the few online communities I've taken the time to actually invest in.
Rebuttals are difficult as it's probably always better to ignore someone when their rudeness isn't going to spoil your fun time. Sadly, I find that the level of cynicism, of condescension, is rising here. I have no stats to back that up, of course, but it feels that way.
There are people here I'm willing to take a tongue-lashing from as it's obvious that they are putting some thought into their criticism; filthy light thief, above, is a good example. The converse form where the drive-by quality of the insult is its total capsulization only serves its creator. Those petty pills will be discarded.
That being said... Hi everybody and have a pleasant NOW! Buy my book!
posted by artof.mulata at 9:18 AM on February 8, 2011
You know, I wrote 'Filthy Light Thief' and I meant 'Flapjax;' but if it had come from 'Filthy Light Thief" I would be just as okay with it.
posted by artof.mulata at 9:22 AM on February 8, 2011
posted by artof.mulata at 9:22 AM on February 8, 2011
I f you want to do harsh or ugly please go to the current nazi FPP.
Um.... you don't really know how the Grey works, do you?
posted by hippybear at 9:25 AM on February 8, 2011
Um.... you don't really know how the Grey works, do you?
posted by hippybear at 9:25 AM on February 8, 2011
you don't really know how the Grey works, do you?
Bear baiting?
posted by artof.mulata at 9:30 AM on February 8, 2011
Bear baiting?
posted by artof.mulata at 9:30 AM on February 8, 2011
you don't really know how the Grey works, do you?
I usually put on my old hockey helmet just to read these threads.
posted by philip-random at 9:40 AM on February 8, 2011
I usually put on my old hockey helmet just to read these threads.
posted by philip-random at 9:40 AM on February 8, 2011
I agree with artof here. I know that MetaTalk serves as an outlet for people who like to be nasty to others on the internet without spoiling MetaFilter proper. But, it would be nice if we could offer constructive criticism without being nasty if the situation doesn't warrant nastiness. Granted, I've also seen much worse behavior than what is in this thread. But really, a simple explanation without snarkiness would suffice.
posted by Roger Dodger at 12:30 PM on February 8, 2011
posted by Roger Dodger at 12:30 PM on February 8, 2011
The grey isn't where you point to the post you just made, it's where you call someone out and then go ape shit crazy.
People are snarky on the grey because every other post here is probably a poor use of the grey.
posted by chunking express at 12:38 PM on February 8, 2011
People are snarky on the grey because every other post here is probably a poor use of the grey.
posted by chunking express at 12:38 PM on February 8, 2011
chunking express: "The grey isn't where you point to the post you just made, it's where you call someone out and then go ape shit crazy."
So I've been doing it wrong all along, then?
Naw.
posted by zarq at 1:02 PM on February 8, 2011
So I've been doing it wrong all along, then?
Naw.
posted by zarq at 1:02 PM on February 8, 2011
I know that MetaTalk serves as an outlet for people who like to be nasty to others on the internet without spoiling MetaFilter proper.
It does? You've obviously never read a cat-declawing, SUV, obesity, circumcision, or even thread.
posted by fixedgear at 1:35 PM on February 8, 2011
It does? You've obviously never read a cat-declawing, SUV, obesity, circumcision, or even thread.
posted by fixedgear at 1:35 PM on February 8, 2011
I appreciate your trying to give this post more exposure, but posting to MetaTalk to say "look at my MetaFilter post" is not such a great idea.
Sounds like some high-school teachers I had. They, too, had 'seen it all', and derived a right to some kind of enhanced-gut-feeling-shut-you-uppishness from that experience. Not a fan, sorry.
posted by Namlit at 2:46 PM on February 8, 2011
Sounds like some high-school teachers I had. They, too, had 'seen it all', and derived a right to some kind of enhanced-gut-feeling-shut-you-uppishness from that experience. Not a fan, sorry.
posted by Namlit at 2:46 PM on February 8, 2011
fixedgear: " It does? You've obviously never read a cat-declawing, SUV, obesity, circumcision, or even thread."
No, no. Not the even threads. It's the ODD threads you have to watch out for. :D
posted by zarq at 2:52 PM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
No, no. Not the even threads. It's the ODD threads you have to watch out for. :D
posted by zarq at 2:52 PM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
enhanced-gut-feeling-shut-you-uppishness
Running this website is my job. A good chunk of that job is helping people understand how the place works before other people who are less civil do it for me.
You'll notice we didn't close this post or say anything other than "Hey here's a way you might want to do this sort of thing in the future." Sorry if it gave you bad high school flashbacks.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:53 PM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
Running this website is my job. A good chunk of that job is helping people understand how the place works before other people who are less civil do it for me.
You'll notice we didn't close this post or say anything other than "Hey here's a way you might want to do this sort of thing in the future." Sorry if it gave you bad high school flashbacks.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:53 PM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
It was supposed to read "even a bicycle thread." I learned that we don't have the edit window yet.
posted by fixedgear at 3:02 PM on February 8, 2011
posted by fixedgear at 3:02 PM on February 8, 2011
fixedgear: "It was supposed to read "even a bicycle thread." I learned that we don't have the edit window yet."
Ah! :)
posted by zarq at 3:04 PM on February 8, 2011
Ah! :)
posted by zarq at 3:04 PM on February 8, 2011
Sounds like some high-school teachers I had.
They were probably correct as well.
posted by cjorgensen at 3:12 PM on February 8, 2011 [3 favorites]
They were probably correct as well.
posted by cjorgensen at 3:12 PM on February 8, 2011 [3 favorites]
Not a fan, sorry.
I don't think jessamyn is looking for fans, my friend. At any rate, your comment was misinformed and foolish: you severely mischaracterized and misinterpreted her message, which was gentle and reasoned and came from a voice of authority on the subject, given that she's you know, a mod and all.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:11 PM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
I don't think jessamyn is looking for fans, my friend. At any rate, your comment was misinformed and foolish: you severely mischaracterized and misinterpreted her message, which was gentle and reasoned and came from a voice of authority on the subject, given that she's you know, a mod and all.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 4:11 PM on February 8, 2011 [1 favorite]
mischaracterized and misinterpreted
Knee-jerk reaction; sorry. Happens to the best of us. I buy "misinterpreted" and Jessamyn's bit about "civil". Over and out.
posted by Namlit at 4:42 PM on February 8, 2011
Knee-jerk reaction; sorry. Happens to the best of us. I buy "misinterpreted" and Jessamyn's bit about "civil". Over and out.
posted by Namlit at 4:42 PM on February 8, 2011
Not a problem. Time for hugs?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:05 PM on February 8, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:05 PM on February 8, 2011 [2 favorites]
FWIW, I found the "Beyond The Pryamids, the Square" to be pretty good, nice reference. beneath the beach, the desert.
posted by mwhybark at 5:28 PM on February 8, 2011
posted by mwhybark at 5:28 PM on February 8, 2011
I thought it had sinister overtones of the sort of global Masonic plot the Cabal is always dabbling in in some far-flung geopolitical hotspot.
posted by Abiezer at 6:34 PM on February 8, 2011
posted by Abiezer at 6:34 PM on February 8, 2011
Why does "world music" have so much wailing?
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:17 PM on February 8, 2011
posted by uncanny hengeman at 8:17 PM on February 8, 2011
You know, you guys can make wise all you want, but somebody stole the back wheel of my bike and I'm really sad. Really, really sad.
posted by artof.mulata at 8:27 PM on February 8, 2011
posted by artof.mulata at 8:27 PM on February 8, 2011
Why does "world music" have so much wailing?
Because your ear and your mind haven't developed enough discernment to categorize it as anything else.
The good news is that you can still educate yourself, and broaden your listening horizons enormously, should that idea be of any interest to you.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:31 PM on February 8, 2011 [2 favorites]
Because your ear and your mind haven't developed enough discernment to categorize it as anything else.
The good news is that you can still educate yourself, and broaden your listening horizons enormously, should that idea be of any interest to you.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:31 PM on February 8, 2011 [2 favorites]
Nah. Pretty sure I know wailing when I hear it. Bob Dylan. Tom Waits. Enya.
I think I'll crank up some Enya and begin my horizon broadening.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 9:05 PM on February 8, 2011
I think I'll crank up some Enya and begin my horizon broadening.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 9:05 PM on February 8, 2011
I think I'll crank up some Enya and begin my horizon broadening.
Yeah, that'll be great, man! How perceptive of you! You're off and running!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:15 PM on February 8, 2011
Yeah, that'll be great, man! How perceptive of you! You're off and running!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:15 PM on February 8, 2011
Definitely hugs, thanks. But it seems like artof.mulata needs them more than me. That sucks.
posted by Namlit at 2:26 AM on February 9, 2011
posted by Namlit at 2:26 AM on February 9, 2011
You know, you guys can make wise all you want, but somebody stole the back wheel of my bike and I'm really sad. Really, really sad.
Sorry to hear that, artof.mulata. Bike thievery is no joke.
posted by fixedgear at 2:27 AM on February 9, 2011
Sorry to hear that, artof.mulata. Bike thievery is no joke.
posted by fixedgear at 2:27 AM on February 9, 2011
Bike thievery is no joke.
It's not. Last summer my daughter and I rode our bikes to the library and when we came out I saw that someone stole my seat. Not as bad as a back tire but still.
posted by Sailormom at 6:33 AM on February 9, 2011
It's not. Last summer my daughter and I rode our bikes to the library and when we came out I saw that someone stole my seat. Not as bad as a back tire but still.
posted by Sailormom at 6:33 AM on February 9, 2011
Back wheel
If you're anything picky about your bike, that can be a major issue; carefully selected hardware, kept in trim and shape (not-oval), meticulously cleaned and lubricated, well run-in with a matching chain, you name it. Losing a true bike-lover's bike's back wheel isn't a transportation hassle, it is like someone drives a truck through your philosophical strawberry patch.
posted by Namlit at 7:16 AM on February 9, 2011
If you're anything picky about your bike, that can be a major issue; carefully selected hardware, kept in trim and shape (not-oval), meticulously cleaned and lubricated, well run-in with a matching chain, you name it. Losing a true bike-lover's bike's back wheel isn't a transportation hassle, it is like someone drives a truck through your philosophical strawberry patch.
posted by Namlit at 7:16 AM on February 9, 2011
And I love strawberries...
It wasn't common all the way, but my local bikery did go as far as they could without building it from scratch. And I am not rich.
Back to walking for a while.
posted by artof.mulata at 10:34 AM on February 9, 2011
It wasn't common all the way, but my local bikery did go as far as they could without building it from scratch. And I am not rich.
Back to walking for a while.
posted by artof.mulata at 10:34 AM on February 9, 2011
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