In a thread apparently inspired by a comment
I'd made elsewhere a few days ago, I have had a comment deleted. Hardly my first time, but what I don't understand is why mods delete comments presumably because they disagree with the content itself. I responded in-thread a few minutes ago, but Metatalk seems more appropriate. And I'm sure my in-thread comment has already been deleted.
ArmyOfKittens made this comment
, and I replied. I don't believe my comment was inflammatory, or attacked any users personally, or was impossibly vitriolic. I do
believe whichever mod deleted it simply didn't like the content. I cannot do so, but presumably a mod could post the comment here as a reference.
Separately, I also in that thread made this
Okay, now this is getting far afield, but isn't "patriarchy" a relatively recent invention, that there was far more gender equality in pre-historic times, even outright matriarchy in cultures 5,000+ years ago and earlier? I am not actually sure of the history here, but I didn't think patriarchy was some written in stone social organization since our hominid days, but a relatively recent occurrence around the time of (and possibly related to) to the rise of civilization and more hierarchical social orders and castes; the latter naturally leading to hierarchy, which in turn can lead to patriarchy. I think it's a Sinead O'Connor lyric that says "the opposite of patriarchy is not matriarchy, it's fraternity". I'm genuinely curious about the scholarship here- someone more knowledgeable, please chime in or MeMail me?
So... why the double standard for the different genders?joe lisboa: 300,000 years of patriarchy, give or take?
I think I once read an essay or book that argued the rise of written symbolic language over visual imagery and iconography led to patriarchy due to the emphasis on left-brain rational/linear "masculine" thinking instead of holistic "feminine" thinking. I didn't say it was a good essay, I just said I once read it. :)
and it was responded to by newg (which I flagged
) with I think unnecessary condescension, here
I highlighted all the phrases that indicate you are casually inventing a convenient-to-you story of human society without actually basing it in any kind of knowledge or fact. Your one appeal to authority is Sinead O'Connor. If you are genuinely curious about the scholarship, I would recommend that you trundle over to scholar.google.com and search for "patriarchy." The numbers next to claims made in the body of those papers? Those are called references, and they will correspond to an appendix at the end of the paper which indicates that the claims made in the papers are not the fiction of the author. Have fun!
I mean, I re-read my comment over and over, and can't see it as anything sincere: it was my understanding that societies organized with some matriarchy or gender equality even 8-10,000 years ago, and I'd recalled ready about Catalhoyuk
some years ago in a Terence McKenna book. I asked for someone to either MeMail me or respond about what the history is of patriarchy as a social organization, and if it is more recent than "300,000 years" as joe lisboa claimed.
Instead, I got a really
snide response about "casually inventing a convenient-to-you story" and an "appeal to authority" of a Sinead O'Connor lyric (what appeal to authority?
), followed by a not-likely-sincere suggestion to go do my thesis at scholar.google.com, with an oh-so-helpful explanation of what "references" are.
I mean, my comment got deleted presumably because of flagging and because of the content, but are we really saying newg's comment is somehow more fitting to the spirit of Metafilter?
All I ask is that comment deletions be reserved for threatening, harassing, or overly personal attacks (including posting personal information, etc
) but that sincere, in-good-faith disagreements between site members not be pruned for any 'dissenting' viewpoints. Is that really so exceptional a request?