Maybe they didn't hear you the first time it was deleted November 13, 2005 7:36 PM   Subscribe

What do you do when you post condescending noise in an Axme and it gets deleted? Post it again in essentially the same form, of course. But wait! Don't forget to act indignant for maximum effect. [mi]
posted by Krrrlson to Etiquette/Policy at 7:36 PM (190 comments total)

For reference, Rothko's first deleted comment was something along the lines of "an education never ends." Taken separately, these comments are merely noise, but together they represent a stubborn effort to befoul a thread and insult the asker without answering the question. It looks a lot like an attempt to bring personal grudges onto the Green, and while it doesn't bother me much, I'd like Axme to remain a place where we leave those things behind.

P.S. Although it still doesn't answer the question, there is a perfectly fine way of expressing Rothko's message without being an ass.
posted by Krrrlson at 7:36 PM on November 13, 2005


I'm often bothered by the same kind of thing, but you have to bear in mind that flagging it is the best thing you can do. Engaging someone in-thread only picks up the thread of derailment and carries it further, even if the essence of your comment is an objection to derailment. Did that make sense?

Reposting deleted comment? Definitely big balled demonstration of minimal brains. It's often baldly defiant shite like that that earns a bannination... though eating shit over email seems to get most everyone out of that fate these days.
posted by scarabic at 7:40 PM on November 13, 2005


The first comment was neither noise nor condescending. It was deleted with no reason given. I reposted my comment with clarification.

Then you behave like an ass and call me out for no reason, there and now here.

I'll let my excellent AskMe record speak for itself, as well as your repeated antagonistic and rude responses.
posted by Rothko at 7:41 PM on November 13, 2005


Posting does not give you the right to decide who responds to your questions.
posted by Rothko at 7:42 PM on November 13, 2005


Your "excellent AskMe record"?

::rolls eyes::

A couple of decent answers doesn't justify your rampant arrogance.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 7:44 PM on November 13, 2005


Then you behave like an ass and call me out for no reason, there and now here.

Actually, he's calling you out for reposting a deleted condescening comment, and then acting indignant over it.
posted by Jairus at 7:44 PM on November 13, 2005


Rothko, you're acting like an idiot. Please stop.
posted by gleuschk at 7:45 PM on November 13, 2005


Actually, it is not a condescending answer. It is only condescending in the eyes of the person making this pathetic call-out. Sad.
posted by Rothko at 7:46 PM on November 13, 2005


A sad and pathetic call-out.
posted by Rothko at 7:46 PM on November 13, 2005


For a sad and pathetic person. no?
posted by Dreamghost at 7:51 PM on November 13, 2005


You've yet to figure out how to not behave like a drama queen, eh?
posted by five fresh fish at 7:52 PM on November 13, 2005


Krrrlson is the only drama queen here.
posted by Rothko at 7:54 PM on November 13, 2005


No, no, Rothko, you've got it wrong. You're supposed to wait and let other people deem the callout "pathetic" for you rather than jumping straight into the middle of what is obviously a very biased conflict for you (by definition).

The best way to receive a callout is not to even be aware of it for about 48 hours, at which point, if you're of any interest to anyone, it will have devolved into pure nonsense, at which point you can whimsically drop your ass in to say "hi Mom!" before happily fucking off.

Learn the drill, man.
posted by scarabic at 7:55 PM on November 13, 2005 [1 favorite]


At least understand that there's no way to survive a callout solo. If you remain at your keyboard, waiting to deflect every single comment mano-y-mano, you're not only going to look like a defensive drama queen, you're going to fucking lose. No one is smarter than everyone.
posted by scarabic at 7:57 PM on November 13, 2005


It looks a lot like an attempt to bring personal grudges onto the Green, and while it doesn't bother me much, I'd like Axme to remain a place where we leave those things behind.

I pass my shiny tiara on to you, Krrrlson. You've earned it. Really, you have.
posted by Rothko at 7:57 PM on November 13, 2005


Ohhhh, I didn't realize it was Krrrlson's thread. That's why he cares.

Just be happy no one started a MetaTalk for the crappy question title.
posted by smackfu at 8:00 PM on November 13, 2005


Also, was it really necessary to post this same complaint in the question, and then post it to Meta 12 hours later? Was it just eating you up inside for that whole time? Were you worried no one else would notice it, since Rothko already responded over there?
posted by smackfu at 8:03 PM on November 13, 2005


Actually I originally just flagged the comment and was happy to consider the matter over, but Rothko evidently was not.
posted by Krrrlson at 8:07 PM on November 13, 2005


lame askme question, lame callout. you just don't like Rothko, it's sad that you cannot admit it.
looks like dhoyt has an heir.
posted by matteo at 8:09 PM on November 13, 2005


What the heck was wrong with the question?
posted by SeizeTheDay at 8:11 PM on November 13, 2005


Actually I originally just flagged the comment and was happy to consider the matter over

Not quite.
posted by Rothko at 8:12 PM on November 13, 2005


Alex you really need to post less and concentrate on your music.
posted by moift at 8:13 PM on November 13, 2005


Does anyone else get the impression Rothko is limbering up for another name change?
posted by jack_mo at 8:17 PM on November 13, 2005


Question: PhD filter: did you find your experience worth the time invested? Did it bother you that it took until your late twenties/early thirties only to complete your education?

Addendum: I would be studying electrical engineering, possibly with a biomedical lean. I enjoy my work, and I do see myself in an academic (or at least heavily research-dominated) environment as a final goal.

My concerns stem from the fact that I tend to see a degree as a means to an end - something you are stuck with doing until "real life" begins. At what could be five years or more, however, a commitment to a PhD is more like a way of life in itself. And so, I just wanted to hear some perspectives from people who have been through it before. (On preview, googly captures the attitude nicely.)


Answer: Your education will never be complete, no matter what paper credentials you get. You might consider valuing a graduate education for learning how to learn, not for the end product.


Sounds like a perfectly reasonable exchange to me. I'm glad I haven't read much of the other crap, I'm sure it would be a waste of time.
posted by Chuckles at 8:19 PM on November 13, 2005


Sounds like a perfectly reasonable exchange to me

Sounded like a perfectly reasonable response to me as well. But apparently Krrrlson feels the need to stretch his drama muscles. You go, girl!
posted by Rothko at 8:23 PM on November 13, 2005


Argh, why did I keep reading?!?! ARGH!!!

Drama queens all 'round I think... Please, somebody, make it go away... Maybe I will go back and debate Gyan about something useful.
posted by Chuckles at 8:23 PM on November 13, 2005


What the heck was wrong with the question?

It was HTML title (the nonsensical "Snakes on a Plane") that was trouble, not the question.
posted by nobody at 8:28 PM on November 13, 2005


Why would that response be deleted?
posted by mischief at 8:39 PM on November 13, 2005


We already had a dios callout this week. I guess the symmetry was kinda out of whack until now.

But seriously folks, it seemed like a perfectly reasonable comment to me. A bit high-handed? Eh...maybe, but not deletion or Metatalk worthy. And probably true to a certain extent.

Rothko may very well make himself look like an off-meds twit before this thread is over, but he's well deserved in being annoyed by this callout. It seems like a personality rather than a rules thing.
posted by Cyrano at 8:41 PM on November 13, 2005


Why would that response be deleted?

Ask MetaFilter is as useful as you make it. Please limit comments to answers or help in finding an answer. Wisecracks don't help people find answers. Thanks.
posted by Krrrlson at 8:42 PM on November 13, 2005


Krrrlson, now you're just straining for a excuse. First it was a condescending answer and now it's a wisecrack. Please make up your mind before you get all drama queeny on us.
posted by Rothko at 8:45 PM on November 13, 2005


I'll let my excellent AskMe record speak for itself,

I really don't see how answering a lot of questions makes your record excellent. The first page contains zero "best answers". What's your point with this comment?

The last time metafilter became all about Rothko, you just kept going and going and going, creating ang defending a problem. Have you not learned, or do you enjoy this sort of confilict?

Seriously, I was one of the first to add you as a contact after the "drama queen" thread, because you gave me some good advice once in an ask metafilter thread. What's your fucking problem? Do you like this kind of thing?
posted by interrobang at 8:49 PM on November 13, 2005


The first page contains zero "best answers". What's your point with this comment?

It contains three. That's just the first page. I've given good answers where people say thanks for the help, and mention specific people (including me), but don't mark a best answer.

It might seem arrogant, but I think that my AskMe record speaks for itself, the larger point being that I don't bring personal conflicts into AskMe. I help people.

I know that may blow your mind, but it's true, nonetheless. I've helped out on many occasions many people who I don't get along with in the blue and grey. God knows why I bother.

Anyway, none of this has much to do with Krrrlson now changing the terms of his shitty call-out. I'd love to see the usual peanut gallery stand up and be consistent and nail him to the wall for his little stunt. This thread will be a litmus test, I guess.
posted by Rothko at 8:57 PM on November 13, 2005


There's so much drama in the PhD.
posted by Slithy_Tove at 8:58 PM on November 13, 2005


For a sad and pathetic person. no?

Wow. That's rich coming from you, DG. Ain't you the person who was following Miss Lynster around writing 0/1, 0/2, etc in all her threads--sorta like S@L's little mustard burp aftertaste? Pretty sure that was you. Pretty sure that was sad and pathetic. Rothko's got nothing on you, dude.
posted by dobbs at 8:58 PM on November 13, 2005


looks like dhoyt has an heir

No doubt, matteo, no doubt.
posted by Rothko at 9:00 PM on November 13, 2005


It contains three. That's just the first page. I've given good answers where people say thanks for the help, and mention specific people (including me), but don't mark a best answer.

I've given good answers too, but trotting them out as my reason for being a good metafilter citizen is not dependent on them. I really don't understand why you're using this as a way of showing that you're a force for good around here.

I think that most of us around here generally like you, Alex, we just wish you weren't yelling in our ears so much.
posted by interrobang at 9:05 PM on November 13, 2005


I guess cortex was more timely than I thought.
posted by rebirtha at 9:09 PM on November 13, 2005


Heh, I totally missed that. Thanks rebirtha!
posted by Krrrlson at 9:12 PM on November 13, 2005


Can someone remind me - Rothko is Alex Reynolds?
posted by metaculpa at 9:13 PM on November 13, 2005


Rothko - dude - chill out. This callout is on such shaky ground that if you just shut up and let it run its course it will crash in flames. The more you butt in to say what a great AskMe answerman you are, and what a numbnuts Krrrlson is, the more you hurt your own case. I know it's hard, but for your own good: Shut. Up.
posted by scarabic at 9:13 PM on November 13, 2005


I really don't understand why you're using this

Perhaps if you had read a little further? No? You believe I hold grudges on AskMe?
posted by Rothko at 9:13 PM on November 13, 2005


looks like dhoyt has an heir

No doubt, matteo, no doubt.


If you two were cats, I'd be chasing you around with a squirt bottle right now.

No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! Bad!!!

matteo is lame for using this thread to take a shot at dhoyt. And you're lame for acknowledging it as if it's a good thing. I've already defended you in this thread because I honestly think this whole callout is totally bogus, but this is how Metatalk threads start to go all trainwreck on us.

Go gently cup each others balls somewhere else, and please try to realize that a shit comment is a shit comment (or, in this case, callout) no matter who makes it.
posted by Cyrano at 9:16 PM on November 13, 2005


Can someone remind me - Rothko is Alex Reynolds?

Yes, they're the same person.

Perhaps if you had read a little further? No? You believe I hold grudges on AskMe?


Yes, I believe you hold grudges in general, and you're starting to get obnoxious.
posted by interrobang at 9:16 PM on November 13, 2005


On futher review, kinda what scarabic said, only he said it better and without a Sealab 2020 reference that will, in retrospect, probably only make things worse.
posted by Cyrano at 9:18 PM on November 13, 2005


I am not needed here. I will go away now.
posted by Balisong at 9:23 PM on November 13, 2005


I wonder whatever happened to Miss Lynnster?

ML give me a holla boo at dreamghost at gmail dot com

dobbs...

posted by Dreamghost at 9:25 PM on November 13, 2005


matteo is lame for using this thread to take a shot at dhoyt. And you're lame for acknowledging it as if it's a good thing

I really, truly will not get into that issue here. Suffice it to say that this call-out sucks and everyone knows it.
posted by Rothko at 9:26 PM on November 13, 2005


I really, truly will not get into that issue here. Suffice it to say that this call-out sucks and everyone knows it.

No, everyone doesn't know it. You are a loudmouth in exactly the same way that dios is, except that dios occasionally posts things that have to do with his professional expertise.

Every once in awhile, dios posts a comment that has to do with his job as a lawyer, and his comments fill you in on what's going on from the legal perspective.

You, however, barge into threads with your opinions and have only one single perspective--the Rothko view. And it is a loud view.

I generally agree with you, but at this point, you're kind of like that guy at the party who cant stop talking about "Stand On Zanzibar"--I know that it's a great book, and I've already read it, but I wish you'd shut up.
posted by interrobang at 9:38 PM on November 13, 2005


Rothko, your answer did suck. Krrrlson's question was very straight-forward and very clear. Your response doesn't answer his question at all. Instead you seem to be responding to the question that you think Krrlson should be asking hence Krrlson's accusation of condescension. Usually you are very helpful in AskMe, particularly tech questions, but in the future I advise you to stick as close to the question and not second-guess the poster. The correct response: apologize and move on.

And Krrlson, really, get a grip. This is hardly worth a callout. I know you couldn't resist another potential Rothko pile-on but it gets old. Really, really old. There's nothing to be gained by this thread except perhaps another point in whatever imaginary, childish game you think you're playing.

The only pathetic and sad thing here is that you two couldn't deal with this like adults.
posted by nixerman at 9:41 PM on November 13, 2005


Anyway, none of this has much to do with Krrrlson now changing the terms of his shitty call-out.

I fail to see where I changed any terms; I merely reposted the Axme guidelines, which you should have reviewed before posting to the thread.

To clarify my reasons for this callout, I was under the impression that if you post something that does not answer a question at all, it is noise. When it sounds condescending to boot, that makes it worse. When you repost it after deletion and then demand an apology for being called on it... well, that's when it becomes a pattern of behaviour that should be called out.

I'll be glad to apologize if you earnestly meant well with your responses, but I find it hard to believe. From what I recall, you are (or were?) a grad student yourself Alex. If so, why post a trite non-answer like "your education is never complete" when you could have actually responded to my question and shared your experience?

Your reaction to this callout...

...pathetic call-out. Sad.
A sad and pathetic call-out.
Krrrlson is the only drama queen here.
I pass my shiny tiara on to you, Krrrlson. You've earned it. Really, you have.
...apparently Krrrlson feels the need to stretch his drama muscles. You go, girl!
Please make up your mind before you get all drama queeny on us.
...his shitty call-out...nail him to the wall for his little stunt.


... only serves to reinforce my belief that your behaviour in the Axme was an extension of a personal grudge.
posted by Krrrlson at 9:41 PM on November 13, 2005


You, however, barge into threads with your opinions and have only one single perspective--the Rothko view. And it is a loud view.

Since I "barge" into threads, let me add one more "loud opinion": I think your inability to give a straight answer to this question shows a lack of integrity on your part, and in hindsight I'm glad I removed you from my profile when I did.
posted by Rothko at 9:46 PM on November 13, 2005


I'm not sure I understand.
posted by interrobang at 9:48 PM on November 13, 2005


Krrrlson, you know your call-out was personally motivated, and that whatever responses you earned were a direct result of your behavior. Stop playing games, just apologize and move on.
posted by Rothko at 9:49 PM on November 13, 2005


Oh, wait; did we break up, or something? Sorry, my integrometer was broken. I'll try to fix it.
posted by interrobang at 9:50 PM on November 13, 2005


Interrobang, your inability to give a straight answer to my question about whether or not I carry personal grudges in AskMe is dishonest, simple as that. Go fix whatever you like.
posted by Rothko at 9:54 PM on November 13, 2005




Beoop Bezaap Beeeeeep
posted by Dreamghost at 9:56 PM on November 13, 2005


Is this really necessary? Don't both of you see how a molehill is rapidly growing? Or wasn't it a molehill to start with? It sure looked like it to me.
posted by stirfry at 10:00 PM on November 13, 2005


Alex, I felt sorry for you when that "drama queen" thread happened, and I added you as a contact because of it. You didn't deserve the rancor you got in that thread.

However, that doesn't give you a free pass to be an asshole around here. Your metachat profile says that you're a reformed loudmouth; I haven't seen that reflected in metafilter.

I respect your opinions. I usually agree with your opinions. I just wish you conformed with your own statement that you were not such a loudmouth.

A good metafilter user is one who posts really interesting links; you are not that. Please correct this.
posted by interrobang at 10:00 PM on November 13, 2005


"...and in hindsight I'm glad I removed you from my profile when I did."

Amazing.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 10:03 PM on November 13, 2005


rothko, you are wasting your time writing one word to a suck call out. Write a couple of dozen comebacks every time and you make a thread that out sucks the suck call out. It is shooting fish in a barrel to call you out--you make a fool out of yourself every time. You can't let anything pass. Anyone can push your buttons. Everybody knows it. You're a joke because of it. People spell it out for you each time and you just refuse to see the obvious. When are you going to get a clue ?
posted by y2karl at 10:05 PM on November 13, 2005




scarabic gave you the best advice here. Just once, maybe try it ?
posted by y2karl at 10:06 PM on November 13, 2005


rothko, you are wasting your time

You're absolutely right. I am wasting my time, obviously.
posted by Rothko at 10:07 PM on November 13, 2005


Hey i missed that deathstar one. Thanks!
posted by Dreamghost at 10:09 PM on November 13, 2005


Krrrlson, you know your call-out was personally motivated...

The only personal thing about this callout is that it references my own Axme question. I was never the driving force behind your largest flameouts.


...and that whatever responses you earned were a direct result of your behavior.

Did the rape victim ask for it, too?


Stop playing games, just apologize and move on.

Funny, I see your behaviour in the Axme thread in exactly the same light. You never did address my points about it, by the way, besides invective and profanity.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, however -- I am sorry if I was indeed mistaken about your intentions. Nevertheless, you've crapped into an Axme thread, demanded an apology for being called on it, and lashed out disproportionately when your motives were questioned. I think that merits an apology of your own.
posted by Krrrlson at 10:10 PM on November 13, 2005


Metafilter: I am wasting my time, obviously.
posted by interrobang at 10:10 PM on November 13, 2005


David Caruso...

Whatever makes you feel better, little mustard burp.
posted by dobbs at 10:13 PM on November 13, 2005


I am sorry if I was indeed mistaken about your intentions.

You were indeed mistaken. Your apology for your insulting comment and this pathetic call-out that you used to provoke people's ire against me is accepted.
posted by Rothko at 10:14 PM on November 13, 2005


*sigh*
posted by Krrrlson at 10:19 PM on November 13, 2005


Whatever makes you feel better, little mustard burp.

His over acting helps me get through the day, Shit Stain.
posted by Dreamghost at 10:20 PM on November 13, 2005


You were indeed mistaken. Your apology for your insulting comment and this pathetic call-out that you used to provoke people's ire against me is accepted.

It really hurts that much to be gracious, eh? Or maybe you just don't see your own words and the tone that they have. It is a difficult task, I know.
posted by stirfry at 10:23 PM on November 13, 2005


I think KKKrlson and Thothko should get a room. Fucking faggots.
posted by Mr T at 10:27 PM on November 13, 2005


*sigh*

You were never the victim here, Krrrlson, so you get no sympathy from me. No one twisted your arm to start this miserable thread.
posted by Rothko at 10:27 PM on November 13, 2005


I don't have a problem with you being easily entertained, Dreamghost. I just think it's funny that someone with your track record would call anyone sad or pathetic.
posted by dobbs at 10:31 PM on November 13, 2005


..No one twisted your arm to start this miserable thread.

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Your comments herein as of 10:27

Each one weaker than the next.

He makes a comment--back you come. Each time.

Anyone can play you. Everyone does. You have no self control. None.
posted by y2karl at 10:33 PM on November 13, 2005


well, that's a wee little bit of the pot calling the drama queen black, now, isn't it?
posted by jonson at 10:38 PM on November 13, 2005


SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY

ROTHKO VS. KRRRLSON
IN A NO-HOLDS BARRED
KNOCK-DOWN
DRAG OUT
QUEEN OFF!!!

BE THERE OR BE...

probably vastly less annoyed than you were when you opened this fucking thread.
posted by loquacious at 10:39 PM on November 13, 2005


Heh. This has devolved into the stupidest callout I've ever seen live. I love it.
posted by panoptican at 10:54 PM on November 13, 2005


I love watching this.
posted by null terminated at 10:56 PM on November 13, 2005


On postview: passes popcorn to panoptican.
posted by null terminated at 10:56 PM on November 13, 2005


wait, does this mean they went to sleep?
posted by hototogisu at 11:08 PM on November 13, 2005


Krrrlson is the only drama queen here.

[bangs heads against the wall]
posted by five fresh fish at 11:13 PM on November 13, 2005


God, this is thread has become, boring..., while we're waiting, did I ever tell you I actually met Thoth? Sure, the first time was in Golden Gate Park, He and his friends would play under the bridge across from the Conservatory of Flowers.

I also had the opportunity to catch him freaking out the squares down at Union Square. That was a sight, let me tell you.
posted by Mr T at 11:17 PM on November 13, 2005


Dammit - Domain dramaqueen.be is not available
posted by Joeforking at 12:08 AM on November 14, 2005


Is this going to cost me another $10?
posted by adamvasco at 12:25 AM on November 14, 2005


Rothko's answer is only "condescending" or a "wisecrack" if you have a raging hardon for him Krrrlson. I mean he basically says that education is a lifelong process -- what on earth is insulting about that? But you obviously have issues with him, understandable, but for all his faults, Rothko is an extremely positive contributer to Askme.

BAD CALLOUT.

That said, I have to add: Rothko, you are the WORST and MOST ANNOYING metatalker ever. Ever!
posted by sic at 1:23 AM on November 14, 2005


Poke poke poke poke
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 4:08 AM on November 14, 2005


Ok, this whole argument boils down to 2 important points:

1) it's "mano a mano", not "mano-y-mano"

2) It's AskMe, not AXME, for fuck's sake.
posted by signal at 4:38 AM on November 14, 2005


from the latest Metafilter Prayer Breakfast: Please oh merciful Lord God, smite Rothko because he did not listening to scarabic (and y2karl), then smite Krrrlson for being a twit, then smack gsb in the chops for reading every comment in thread ask.mefi.10527. Amen.
posted by gsb at 4:39 AM on November 14, 2005


I don't see how his response broke the answer guidelines, and this discussion is centered more around love/hate relationship than what was actually written.

I am beginning to suspect that I am surrounded by children.
posted by mischief at 5:03 AM on November 14, 2005


I am beginning to suspect that I am surrounded by children.

Indeed.
posted by Rothko at 5:18 AM on November 14, 2005


I'm still wondering whose sockpuppet Krrrlson is.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 5:28 AM on November 14, 2005


Oh, and Rothko? Seriously, take scarabic's excellent and true advice from the beginning of the thread.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 5:29 AM on November 14, 2005


I don't see how his response broke the answer guidelines...

Well, you are free to disagree with me on the issue of being condescending, but you cannot deny that not a single one of his responses did anything to answer the question. If you were to post: "Help me recover from a serious blister on my ass." and received the response: "Quit complaining, a blister on your ass is not serious." several times, would you find that helpful in finding your answer?
posted by Krrrlson at 5:30 AM on November 14, 2005


Krrrlson, did you apologize or are you still being a drama queen?
posted by Rothko at 5:35 AM on November 14, 2005


You... didn't even read what I wrote, did you?
posted by Krrrlson at 5:38 AM on November 14, 2005


Krrrlson, it's not the best answer I've ever seen on AskMe - far from it - but it's also not even close to the worst. There was a thread about finding NES ROMs and he was all like "hurr that's illegal" and it was super lame, despite the fact I think he is an okay guy.

P.S. What if I were Rothko's sockpuppet? Holy shit I just blew your fucking mind! :O
posted by Optimus Chyme at 5:39 AM on November 14, 2005


You... didn't even read what I wrote, did you?

Did you not apologize? Because it sounds like you are being dramatic again.
posted by Rothko at 5:42 AM on November 14, 2005


There was a thread about finding NES ROMs and he was all like "hurr that's illegal" and it was super lame, despite the fact I think he is an okay guy.

Well, there's a rule about AskMe not being used to ask questions about how to break the law. But at least I didn't start a super lame Metatalk thread about it. ;)
posted by Rothko at 5:43 AM on November 14, 2005


Rothko, do yourself a favor, take a week off online.
posted by wheelieman at 6:02 AM on November 14, 2005


If you two were cats, I'd be chasing you around with a squirt bottle right now.

Lame call-out, which would have been roundly denounced if Rothko had just kept out of it and let nature take its course. Alex, you had been doing so well since the contest, consistently helpful and charming, riding on the wave of good will that the contest generated for you. Don't blow it here in a grudge match.
posted by LarryC at 6:04 AM on November 14, 2005


Jesus Christ.

What a shitfest. This was a lame callout.

Rothko-I've written similar things before, as have others in this very thread, but why, oh why, must you make it so hard to respect and agree with you? Why do you think it's alright to affect such a whiny and supercilious tone in response to the smallest perceived slight? I thought your answer was decent, your demand for an apology in thread harsh and unpleasant, and that this callout was lame. Your responses in this thread, however, have made me completely unsympathetic to your position. There are two things that I would urge you to consider:

1) Not everyone who disagrees with you is "against" you. They might just disagree with you without personal motivation or investment.
2) When you feel as put upon as you evidently do, it's a good idea to identify and try not to alienate those who might even loosley be considered allies, like, say, all those who thought this was a lame callout.
posted by OmieWise at 6:09 AM on November 14, 2005


This really was a lame callout, I agree.
posted by Rothko at 6:15 AM on November 14, 2005


Don't blow it here in a grudge match

Too late.
posted by drill_here_fore_seismics at 6:32 AM on November 14, 2005


Krrrlson wrote me an email and said something about "How come this post by [user] gets removed and this post by Rothko gets to stay?" I didn't see the first post but agreed the second one was off-topic, removed it, and told Krrrlson that mathowie and I were both on vacation this past week. Then this happens.

So, Krrrlson, you have to relax about it. This callout was a little over the top. Rothko you really really need to leave it alone. This callout would have quietly died if you hadn't kept it alive. It seems like every MetaTalk thread devolves into two guys wrestling with each other, so this one has not reached its natural conclusion yet.
posted by jessamyn at 6:37 AM on November 14, 2005


This callout would have quietly died if you hadn't kept it alive.

Or it would have turned into the pile-on that otherwise always happens. I really don't like the personal nature of this pointless call-out. People have been given timeouts for much less.
posted by Rothko at 6:41 AM on November 14, 2005


People have been given timeouts for much less.

I agree that you deserve a timeout.

Hell, I'll donate a $100 right now to a charity of Rothko's choice if he agrees to a voluntary one week time out right now. ;-)
posted by SeizeTheDay at 6:51 AM on November 14, 2005


I agree that you deserve a timeout.

Of course you do. No bias at all.
posted by Rothko at 6:53 AM on November 14, 2005


This is why I have to quit MetaFilter.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 6:54 AM on November 14, 2005


It's not bias Rothko. I simply don't like you.

Both of my last two comments have been jokes, Alex. Both of which are laced with ample sarcasm, and prove y2karl's point above.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 6:59 AM on November 14, 2005


It seems like every MetaTalk thread devolves into two guys wrestling with each other, so this one has not reached its natural conclusion yet.

I'm leaving before the happy ending.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 6:59 AM on November 14, 2005


"Quit complaining, a blister on your ass is not serious."

Krrlson, if you really think Rothko's answer is equivalent to that, then you don't deserve a PhD. If you apply that logic to EE and BioMed, son, you are going to kill people.

All you have managed to do is illustrate why people despise a smart ass.
posted by mischief at 7:02 AM on November 14, 2005


It seems like every MetaTalk thread devolves into two guys wrestling with each other, so this one has not reached its natural conclusion yet

Ewww!!!

This is why I have to quit MetaFilter.

Seriously. It seems like we have this thread once a week now. WHY!?!?!
posted by Quartermass at 7:24 AM on November 14, 2005


And before one of you says it, not this thread exactly, but this thread in terms of these aggressive, hyper-masculine 'battles.'
posted by Quartermass at 7:27 AM on November 14, 2005


*indicates action by enclosing brief sentence in asterisks*
posted by Optimus Chyme at 7:29 AM on November 14, 2005


Fuck this noise.
posted by sciurus at 7:57 AM on November 14, 2005


Feel free to dispense this as needed:


posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:00 AM on November 14, 2005


while we're waiting, did I ever tell you I actually met Thoth?

Me too! My wife and I were walking through Central Park and heard some... interesting... sounds coming from beneath a bridge; we walked down and found Thoth doing his thing, and stayed till the end. Fascinating guy, and one more reason I miss NYC.
posted by languagehat at 8:18 AM on November 14, 2005


*pokes the bunny*
posted by loquacious at 8:27 AM on November 14, 2005


1) it's "mano a mano", not "mano-y-mano"

Ahhh. Thank you. I scratched my head over that for a minute and knew I was probably going to get it wrong.
posted by scarabic at 8:30 AM on November 14, 2005


It seems like every MetaTalk thread devolves into two guys wrestling with each other, so this one has not reached its natural conclusion yet.

Interesting - has this kind of one-on-one grudge match that seems to happen about 4 times a week in MeTa these days ever happened between two women? I mean, I know there have been multi-gender pile-ons, but one of these truly person-to-person shitfests? Hmmmm.
posted by tristeza at 8:31 AM on November 14, 2005


Or it would have turned into the pile-on that otherwise always happens.

Yes, and it would have been a pile-on Krrrlson for a lame call-out. The torches and pitchforks were ready, you just got in the way.
posted by LarryC at 8:35 AM on November 14, 2005


I only wish that was true.
posted by Rothko at 8:50 AM on November 14, 2005


"P.S. What if I were Rothko's sockpuppet? Holy shit I just blew your fucking mind! :O"
I've ragged on your ass before, Optimus, but that made me laugh openly. Good on.

Monju: This is why I have to quit MetaFilter.
Please don't. Quit the Gray, maybe.

Tris: "has this kind of one-on-one grudge match that seems to happen about 4 times a week in MeTa these days ever happened between two women?"
That would be so hot.
posted by klangklangston at 8:58 AM on November 14, 2005


I have enjoyed the images posted in this thread.
posted by Peter H at 9:10 AM on November 14, 2005


Am enjoying, that is. More! Sincerely.
posted by Peter H at 9:11 AM on November 14, 2005


I only wish that was true.

Have you tested the theory, ever? I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't have the stomach to sift through the MeTa archives to check right now. I think LarryC is right about this.
posted by cortex at 9:15 AM on November 14, 2005


Anyway, I'd like to hear the opinion of someone honest for a change, thanks.

um, yer a dick.
posted by quonsar at 9:24 AM on November 14, 2005


Can somebody just cut off their hand already?
posted by languagehat at 9:26 AM on November 14, 2005


Have you tested the theory, ever?

Yes. And people pile on anyway.
posted by Rothko at 9:39 AM on November 14, 2005


And is this better than that? But I can understand your frustration. (link?)

And languagehat: !
posted by cortex at 9:59 AM on November 14, 2005


This was a good example. I stayed out of it for awhile but certain people kept digging in.
posted by Rothko at 10:03 AM on November 14, 2005


That doesn't seem like a very good example, actually. LarryC can tell me if I misread him, but I think the idea is just stay out of it entirely. You started that thread and were active for large chunks of it, neh?
posted by cortex at 10:06 AM on November 14, 2005


Monju, I beg of you, please don't leave us! Or come back to us if you've already gone (I can't recall seeing posts or comments by you in bit...). Please.

Rothko, it's a shame that you had to jump into this thread with such abandon. Cause Krrrlson is totally overreacting. And we probably would have discovered that, if your shrill raving hadn't derailed us...
posted by zpousman at 10:09 AM on November 14, 2005


I don't know what to tell you, cortex.
posted by Rothko at 10:18 AM on November 14, 2005


You don't have to tell me anything. I'm not trying to start anything, just wanted to see your take on it.

For what it's worth, I think it's a smarter move to let people to pile-on without you than to get caught up in it, but I can understand how it would be hard to keep quiet.
posted by cortex at 10:22 AM on November 14, 2005


scarbic figured it out way early in the thread:

AskMetaFilter: big balled demonstration of minimal brains
posted by Doohickie at 10:32 AM on November 14, 2005


Holy carp! You people are still at this? Amazing.

Stop taking the frikken Internets so seriously, you dips.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 10:44 AM on November 14, 2005


Every time I begin to forget that Rothko is AlexReynolds is the drama queen from hell, he puts on another show!

By this point you have irrevocably damaged your name yet again, Alex.

Never you mind that Krrrlson is being equally as dramatic and stupid in this thread: that does not mitigate in the least how thoroughly you've just destroyed your name again.

Dammit, you are a stupid, stupid man sometimes.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:47 AM on November 14, 2005


Rothko: Yeah, that was a good example of people piling on someone for a weak call-out. Notice how the person who was called-out didn't bother to post in the thread, so we all focused on you?

And, just to reiterate, did you notice what people posted in that thread? That you should get a thicker skin and take the high road so that people who generally find you a decent person can defend you without looking like douchebags themselves? That SHUTTING UP IS IN YOUR INTEREST.
posted by klangklangston at 10:59 AM on November 14, 2005


The day Rothko stops overreacting in MetaTalk is the day this site ceases to be funny.
posted by Ryvar at 11:11 AM on November 14, 2005



posted by stet at 11:15 AM on November 14, 2005


I just wonder what this all looks like to people who read Metafilter but don't have a membership...
posted by klangklangston at 11:17 AM on November 14, 2005


Metatalk is rendered in rot13 if you're not logged in.
posted by cortex at 11:20 AM on November 14, 2005


Question:
PhD filter: did you find your experience worth the time invested? Did it bother you that it took until your late twenties/early thirties only to complete your education?
posted by Krrrlson

Answer:
Your education will never be complete, no matter what paper credentials you get. You might consider valuing a graduate education for learning how to learn, not for the end product.
posted by Rothko

These are the posts behind this call-out, right? Just wanna clarify that.

While I don't see how Rothko's comment exactly answers Krrrlson's question, I think it's a legitimate enough comment (it's a lot closer than a lot of AskMe comments get to the subject) and I don't see any condescension in the comment.

Rothko, you should have just let it lie. It's obvious to most everyone that it's a bad call-out. If you had just let it alone you wouldn't have yet another thread where people are calling you "Drama Queen". Yes, you have the right to defend yourself. BUT, please, please, please - take a walk, take a few deep breaths, take a nap, do whatever you need to do to wait a while and see how the thread goes before jumping in with both feet. Please. You may be pleasantly surprised at what you see.
posted by deborah at 11:51 AM on November 14, 2005


Metafilter: http://metatalk.metafilter.com/mefi/10527
posted by fire&wings at 11:54 AM on November 14, 2005


1. The only drama queen was the person who started this: Krrrlson.

2. The first comment out of the running was scarabic's personal attack — he didn't even bother reading the thread or my comments in it, but he sure was qualified to tell me off!

3. This followed with several trolls from Krrrlson's friends.

So, yes folks, I do have the right to defend myself from constant, cowardly personal threads like this. If anything, Krrrlson deserved a time-out for this stunt — which he won't get because of the complete lack of fairness on this site — but it is something he deserves nonetheless.
posted by Rothko at 12:04 PM on November 14, 2005


Rothko, I don't understand why you can't just lighten up.

Sheesh.
posted by delmoi at 12:05 PM on November 14, 2005


There was a thread about finding NES ROMs and he was all like "hurr that's illegal" and it was super lame, despite the fact I think he is an okay guy.
Well, there's a rule about AskMe not being used to ask questions about how to break the law. But at least I didn't start a super lame Metatalk thread about it. ;)


It's actualy not illegal to download ROMs, and if it were, it would only be a tort, not a crime. But it's not. It's only illegal to put them up for other people to download.
posted by delmoi at 12:10 PM on November 14, 2005


Words fail me at this point. Seldom have I seen such dedicated thick-headedness.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:14 PM on November 14, 2005




Congratulations, Krrrlson. Mission accomplished.
posted by Rothko at 12:31 PM on November 14, 2005


PareidoliaticBoy: Interestingly, the only people who have an accurate view of themselves are clinically depressed. In other words, people will over-estimate how attractive, how intelligent, how diligent, and so on unless they are depressed, in which case their estimates are closer to the truth.

So the question is, does depression cause a drop in self-assessment, or does accurate self-assessment cause depression?
posted by delmoi at 12:33 PM on November 14, 2005


Congratulations, Krrrlson. Mission accomplished.

It may have been his idea but you did all the work.
posted by y2karl at 12:40 PM on November 14, 2005


And nobody held a gun to your head but you.
posted by y2karl at 12:41 PM on November 14, 2005


So the question is, does depression cause a drop in self-assessment, or does accurate self-assessment cause depression?

Both of your options have huge flaws in logic. While depression might cause a drop in self-assessment, it may not be a deserved drop (since depression makes you feel needlessly inadequate). And since accurate self-assessment is so rare (according to the study), the likelihood of depression being caused by an accurate self-assessment is even more rare.

But that study does fit well here (in MetaFilter) since the internet (and its anonymity) seems to inflate one's self-assessment astronomically.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 12:42 PM on November 14, 2005


So, yes folks, I do have the right to defend myself from constant, cowardly personal threads like this.

Of course you do, but you do it in a way that ends up reflecting really poorly on you. I'm saying this from a zenlike post-meetup love-your-brother perspective free from any malice: you react badly to this stuff. You overreact. It make you look bad, which defeats the purpose of defending yourself, neh?
posted by cortex at 12:47 PM on November 14, 2005


And, to take cortex a step further, everything you said was defensible -- until you started defending it. Had a couple other posters taken up your cause and you ignored it for awhile, there'd only be one Drama Queen here and it wouldn't be you. (Not that this hasn't been posted about 78 times or so already...)

MeTa has a fever and the only prescription is... a couple timeouts. Preferably voluntary, but if the two of you can't resist, maybe it needs to be forced...
posted by SuperNova at 12:55 PM on November 14, 2005


Krrrlson gave him the rope, and AlexReynolds aka Rothko hung himself with it.

Poor bloke couldn't be perfectly content with this one excellent response that properly puts the matter to rest in a way that makes him look good:
The first comment was neither noise nor condescending. It was deleted with no reason given. I reposted my comment with clarification.

Then you behave like an ass and call me out for no reason, there and now here.

I'll let my excellent AskMe record speak for itself, as well as your repeated antagonistic and rude responses.
posted by Rothko at 7:41 PM PST on November 13
Nope, couldn't just leave it at that. Had to both take Krrrlson's rope away from him and then go hang himself with it.

Alex, here is your big hint: if you had stopped with that first message, you wouldn't have proven yourself to still be a lame Drama Queen.
posted by five fresh fish at 1:04 PM on November 14, 2005


Alex, you're awesome* . However, you should really learn when to step back and let your friends (we're all friends here, right?) get your back instead of trying to win every battle on your own. You have an incredible ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This thread would've been Krrrlson's roasting, but you're preventing that from happening. Krrrlson should be thanking you, not aplogizing.
posted by mullingitover at 1:08 PM on November 14, 2005


MeTa has a fever and the only prescription is... a couple timeouts

I figured that would be the level of fairness I can expect from this crowd.
posted by Rothko at 1:18 PM on November 14, 2005


The first principle of internet fu is knowing when to walk away. It is almost always sooner than what you feel like. In fact, perfection most often is never walking in at all.

I now strike the gong, thus ending the lesson.
posted by furiousthought at 1:20 PM on November 14, 2005


"which he won't get because of the complete lack of fairness on this site"

MOM, KRRRLSON'S TOUCHING ME! HE NEEDS A TIME OUT! MOM! MOM! PUNISH HIM, MOM!
posted by klangklangston at 1:34 PM on November 14, 2005


"I figured that would be the level of fairness I can expect from this crowd."
Do you keep a list of enemies, or are they decided ad hoc?

(We enter into the social contract because each man is a poor judge of justice regarding his own interests.)
posted by klangklangston at 1:37 PM on November 14, 2005


I wish Matt or Jessamyn would close this thread.
posted by y2karl at 1:47 PM on November 14, 2005


, . . , ; . () ? ! ! !. ,,, . ? !

Just the punctuation, because if I left the words in , I'd probably regret it.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:47 PM on November 14, 2005




I am so tempted to give in to my dark side and ride Alex like a bitch at every opportunity. Drama Queen? Heck, with a little practice, I could make him become an entire Drama Royal Family.

I swear it'd be fun for me. It's just that I honestly do try to set a higher standard for myself. I don't want to be like... well, like Alex and Krrrlson, I guess.

It's bad enough that I'm half riding his ass in this thread. I can only excuse myself by pointing out that I've also tried my damndest to help him understand how his behaviours need to change if he's to get off this silly ride.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:16 PM on November 14, 2005


I can remember a time when people in the grey had momentum.
posted by cortex at 5:24 PM on November 14, 2005


I wish Matt or Jessamyn would close this thread.

Seconded. Move to adjourn.
posted by terrapin at 6:03 PM on November 14, 2005


Well, I think Krrrlson's callout was definitely an overreaction, despite rothko's strenuous efforts to distract me from that fact.

monju_bosatsu : "This is why I have to quit MetaFilter."

Nonono, this is why you have to quit MetaTalk. If you find that the symptoms persist, you may also want to quit clicking on political or news related links. Once you've done that, all symptoms should go away.
posted by Bugbread at 6:23 PM on November 14, 2005


Close the thread? But if it's left open, there's a chance we'll get to see Alex flame out again and have to take up yet another new identity in his pursuit of ... well, whatever the hell it is that has him insist on inflicting these episodes upon us.
posted by five fresh fish at 6:36 PM on November 14, 2005


Fish, go fuck yourself.
posted by Rothko at 6:56 PM on November 14, 2005



posted by Dreamghost at 7:20 PM on November 14, 2005


Uh...hi everyone...let's see, what can I add to this?

How about, I'd like to second: what scarabic said, and what scarabic said again, and what LarryC said, and what LarryC said again, and what mullingitover said, *sigh* and what deborah said, and mostly, what Dreamghost said.
posted by marxchivist at 7:44 PM on November 14, 2005


Shut the fuck up, hypocrite.
posted by Rothko at 7:44 PM on November 14, 2005


Fish, go fuck yourself.
posted by Rothko at 6:56 PM PST on November 14 [!]


Shut the fuck up, hypocrite.
posted by Rothko at 7:44 PM PST on November 14 [!]


Rothko, your rhetorical skills leave me speechless. Seriously, though, knock it off, will you? I didn't really like you when you were AlexReynolds (in fact, I regretfully participated in the notorious Drama Queen thread). But I really respect they way you've acted with your new account, and I think a lot of your FPP's are great. Don't get carried away in your anger. Just leave this post behind, take a deep breath, and let it be. Or tell me to fuck off and eat pancakes. Whichever works.
posted by unreason at 7:49 PM on November 14, 2005


Well, unreason, some people get away with an awful lot here, and some don't. Seems wrong.
posted by Rothko at 7:56 PM on November 14, 2005


Rothko, I don't know you, or the other protagonists in this little melodrama. Further, I am oblivious to your previous history that some posters refer to. Perhaps then, you'll take this advice as it a meant, and not as a biased observation.

I'd suggest that you really ought to examine your priorities in attending this place. It's beginning to seem that me you come here not to be intellectually engaged or entertained; but rather to instead proclaim your superiority and righteousness.

You are willfully deaf to your allies, who consistently advise you to chill out. Your unwillingness to accept this rather sound advice smacks of a pretty severe insecurity.

Now I'm quite sure that you will disagree with this arm-chair analysis. Nevertheless, this is the impression that you are making upon me, a thoroughly uninvolved party. Do you not see how this undermines your position and that your response here seriously compromise your cause?

Your stubborn investment in your perception of how others perceive you far outweighs any benefit even the highest approbation might bestow on you in real life, the one that matters.

You persist in escalating this insignificant flame-war in an Internet backwater into all all out blitzkrieg, yet the result is astoundingly negative. But you continue with the obsessive posting of overwhelmingly negative response to your tormentors.

This suggests an attachment to your self-image that might be somewhat unhealthy for you. Hence my link to that study about how most people have severe misperceptions about themselves.

Not everyone you encounter is going to like you, especially on-line. This is a fact of life you seem unwilling to accept. I believe that this is going to cause problems for you in your real life, if it hasn't;t already done so.

In fact, I'd be really surprised if this has not already happened. I suspect that your inappropriate emphasis on your virtual-world relations indicates a problem in this area in the real world.

I would strongly urge you to seek some way to ameliorate this very negative propensity.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 8:09 PM on November 14, 2005


Fish, go fuck yourself.
posted by Rothko at 6:56 PM PST on November 14 [!]


Thank-you, Rothko. That is all that needs to be said.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:14 PM on November 14, 2005


Thank-you, Rothko. That is all that needs to be said.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:14 PM PST on November 14 [!]


No, I think this is all that needs to be said, you sanctimonious prick.
posted by Rothko at 8:28 PM on November 14, 2005


You are willfully deaf to your allies, who consistently advise you to chill out. Your unwillingness to accept this rather sound advice smacks of a pretty severe insecurity.

If I really had any "allies", Krrrlson would have had been called out by now, and probably given a timeout for pulling this stunt.
posted by Rothko at 8:32 PM on November 14, 2005


Well... the original deliberately unhelpful behaviour and the hugely disproportionate response "speak for themselves," to coin Rothko's phrase, but if the majority believes this sort of thing is acceptable, then I certainly won't argue.


Krrlson, if you really think Rothko's answer is equivalent to that, then you don't deserve a PhD. If you apply that logic to EE and BioMed, son, you are going to kill people.

Hey, thanks buddy... you really saved me from making a big mistake with my life! Phew! Your petty swipe at my intelligence made me see the error of my ways. And to think I had a Therac 25 right here with your name on it!
posted by Krrrlson at 8:36 PM on November 14, 2005


Weasel.
posted by Rothko at 8:39 PM on November 14, 2005


I can't possibly support anyone who tells five fresh fish to go fuck himself. Jesus, Alex, calm down. You're singlehandedly making metafilter a nasty place.
posted by interrobang at 8:40 PM on November 14, 2005




Rothko:

If you truly believe that you have no allies, and that everyone here is against you, why do you put up such a fight?
That's not a loaded question. I'm genuinely curious.
posted by Bugbread at 8:44 PM on November 14, 2005


Interrobang, until this thread I had a lot of respect for you, but your comment here was really completely out of line.
posted by Rothko at 8:46 PM on November 14, 2005


Rothko, take some time off and chill out.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 8:48 PM on November 14, 2005


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