Animated Gifs in MeFi October 19, 2006 7:17 PM   Subscribe

i don't like it when people post pictures in metafilter. I like animated gifs even less. It makes metafilter like every other message board on the web. Probably also you're flirting with the NSFW. What do other people think? Outlaw them, or let them stay?
posted by Miles Long to Etiquette/Policy at 7:17 PM (144 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

whoops. Let the animated gif thread begin. Not my intention, i assure you.
posted by Miles Long at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2006


This is not an animated gif.

However, you can get one of those greasemonkey things if you like.

We can all have Metafilter any old way we want it.
posted by ?! at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2006


Outlaw them, or let them stay?

They will be termed unlawful enemy gifs and held in secret till they give up their secrets.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2006


They have their place (Where they are used humourously and, if not constructively, at least without the intention of derailing/shitting up a thread) and their time (Infrequently).
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2006


Let them stay, but tax the bejeezus out of them.
posted by googly at 7:23 PM on October 19, 2006


When animated GIFs are outlawed, only the outlaws will have animated GIFs.

Kidding aside, they're generally only used in threads which are clearly already a disaster, so I'm not terribly concerned about them. Of course, I wouldn't use MeFi at work if my workplace were terribly sensitive to such things.
posted by JMOZ at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2006


I suggest what I usually suggest -- a Metachat-like user-preference checkbox to show/hide inline images.

My stealth preferred solution: disallow inline images entirely, or at least do something javascripty-clever like auto-thumbnailing them.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2006


I agree with you.
posted by hooray at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2006


I'm not sure if this thread was a part of Miles Long's issue, but I'd argue that monju_bosatsu definitely went overboard. His defense of his .gif-crapping was equally sucktacular. Fine, you don't take this place seriously. I don't that often either, but I don't think that gives me the right to try and derail conversations (and really piss off 56K'ers).

(The thread was by no means sterling, but it wasn't half bad either. I learned some things. And I'm glad he didn't manage to get it completely off the rails simply because he didn't like where it was going. Or post blatantly [nsfw] material, as he's done before.)
posted by bardic at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2006


Images suck. Matt's not going to ban them. So be it.
posted by cribcage at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2006


And man, no .gifs yet. Strange.
posted by bardic at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2006


not going to ban them? how do you know this? there was a time when mefi was image-free, you know.
posted by Miles Long at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2006


When was MeFi image free? We'll remove images that are NSFW or giant enough to screw up the page load times. People that just gifspam the place risk having their comments removed as noise if enough people flag them. I like them occasionally and most people, most of the time, don't abuse the IMG tag so it seems like overkill to just ban it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2006


I've long considered banning them, but every time I make a mention that I'm willing to try it people plead with me to keep them for the few times where they make sense, like in ask mefi.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2006


*holds fingers crossed for semen-eating monkey*
posted by Krrrlson at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2006


What an original thread idea.
posted by rob paxon at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2006


We've had this debate over and over again over the years. Images are very rare, and people don't use them very often. It would be annoying if every thread was filled with them, but that's not happening. Matt can remove and replace tags at will, such as the <blink/> tag.
posted by delmoi at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2006


bardic: "And man, no .gifs yet. Strange."

Sorry, I was in the shower. And now I don't really feel like posting any.
posted by bob sarabia at 7:50 PM on October 19, 2006


Have this as a prize.
posted by bob sarabia at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2006


I've long considered banning them, but every time I make a mention that I'm willing to try it people plead with me to keep them for the few times where they make sense, like in ask mefi.

Which would seem to point towards the middle ground I've suggested.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2006


I'd lose no sleep if the tag was banned. Sure people couldn't use them inline in AskMe, but you can link to it instead. Some people already do that, and it doesn't seem to hurt.
posted by smackfu at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2006


That should be "Have this as a consolation prize."
posted by bob sarabia at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2006


It's interesting that the people who plead to keep the img tag seem to have more pull than the people who plead for the banning of it.
posted by crunchland at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2006


*holds fingers crossed for semen-eating monkey*

He can't do it himself?
posted by sonofsamiam at 8:09 PM on October 19, 2006


His fingers are otherwise occupied.
posted by Krrrlson at 8:10 PM on October 19, 2006


OH GOD NOT INLINE IMAGES
posted by keswick at 8:10 PM on October 19, 2006


it's not real bad right now, and sometimes images do make sense and are on topic, and and it's kinda cool to have a picture thread once in awhile, but i like the 'all text' aspect of metafilter. It's so cerebral.

just wanted to see what other people thought.
posted by Miles Long at 8:11 PM on October 19, 2006


I admit that I occasionally use inline images in Ask Mefi to help illustrate my answers (for example). I'd be disappointed if I lost that feature.
posted by RichardP at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2006


Failure to capitalize properly - or at least consistently - bugs the hell out of me. Especially when it is done in a post.

I think we should ban it. You?
posted by loquacious at 8:15 PM on October 19, 2006


The assertion all text equals cerebral seems superficial at best, IMO.
posted by keswick at 8:16 PM on October 19, 2006


It's interesting that the people who plead to keep the img tag seem to have more pull than the people who plead for the banning of it.

?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:17 PM on October 19, 2006


You know, maybe banning the posting of inline images is a little harsh. I think people should be allowed to post them. And, as with this thread, Matt and Jess can just delete them.
posted by crunchland at 8:18 PM on October 19, 2006


Pay attention, Alvy. "but every time I make a mention that I'm willing to try it people plead with me to keep them..." The people who plead for allowing them outweigh the people who plead for disallowing them.
posted by crunchland at 8:21 PM on October 19, 2006


If you're so into being cerebral then why can't you learn to use the SHIFT FUCKING KEY.
posted by Rhomboid at 8:22 PM on October 19, 2006


See that? That's me imposing my wishes on your behavior. It sucks doesn't it. So fuck off.
posted by Rhomboid at 8:23 PM on October 19, 2006



posted by loquacious at 8:26 PM on October 19, 2006 [1 favorite]


*animated gif*
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 8:26 PM on October 19, 2006


i'm not imposing shit.
I'm asking a question. Which, herr grammar nazi, ends with a QUESTION FUCKING MARK.

mote-log. suck it.
posted by Miles Long at 8:28 PM on October 19, 2006


"Failure to capitalize properly - or at least consistently - bugs the hell out of me. Especially when it is done in a post. I think we should ban it. You?"
posted by loquacious at 2:15 PM AEST on October 20

Right. That's it. I'm sick of all these people bitching about capitalization and the way people use it. Please sign the following document to end such bitching.

1. METAFILTER CONVENTIONS ON CAPATALIZATION - WHO THIS COVERS.

1a) All users must adhere to the stipulations surrounding capitalization as they are dictated to in the following schedule.

1b) This is a binding contract on all signatories on all Metafilter sites, sub sites and future spin-offs.

2. METAFILTER CONVENTIONS ON CAPATALIZATION - PENALTIES FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY.

2a) Failure to adhere to these terms shall result in a lame MeTa callout.

2b) It will also result in the death of a random kitten.

2c) The kitten is to be chosen by the person who dragged it to MetaTalk.

2d) Death of the poster/commenter, or the total genocide of all Kittens on Earth, will be applicable under exceptional circumstances. Pickets and pitchforks are required under such cases by the angry mob.
(i) In circumstances where this section must be applied after the total genocide of all Kittens on
Earth, Kittens may be substituted with Hedgehogs, Iguanas, Lemurs, and Budgerigars.

2e) The conventions surrounding CamelCase (or camelBack, BiCapitalization, InterCaps, MixedCase as it is sometimes referred to) are laid out under the Metafilter CamelCase Capitalization Conventions 2006.

3. METAFILTER CONVENTIONS ON CAPATALIZATION - THE CONVENTIONS THEMSELVES.

3a) There must be a capital letter at the start of all sentences.

3b) There must be a capital letter following all full stops, unless the letter follows an Ellipsis. However please not; a Semi-colon is preferable to an Ellipsis (see Metafilter Conventions on Ellipsis' vs. Semi-colons).

3c) There must not be a capital letter at the start of every word following the first word of a sentence, the exception being the use of a noun. Pronouns must not be capitalized unless they are the first word of a sentence, with the possible exception of ‘He’ or ‘She’ when being used in reference to a deity.

3c) Nouns and pro-nouns must be capitalised or else the punishment as defined in schedule (2b) will be doubled.

3d) All Latin must be entirely capitalised.

3e) Acronyms that are not capitalized are to be punishable by the terms dictated under (2d).

3f) Capitals may be used to add emphasis to particular words if the poster is feeling exceptionally lazy and refuses to use an italic tag.

3g) Capitals may be used in the titles for independent sections of a non-binding contract in the content of crappy MeTa comments.

3h) Any FPPs written entirely in caps are punishable by those terms laid out under (2d) except under circumstances applicable under (3i(2)).

3i) Any comments written entirely in caps are punishable by those terms laid out under (2d) The exceptions to this rule are;

(ii) If the comment is made as a joke; a determination on whether or not a comment was a joke is to be made by a jury of the MeFite's peers in an animated gif-laden MeTa thread favourited by at least 15 users.

(ii) If it is Caps Lock Day.

(iii) If it is a comment referencing Roman Square capitals.

3j) Any text that uses a combination of lower case letters and upper case letters in the same word (for instance 'meTAFilTEr') is punishable by the terms listed under (2b). However, it is allowable when using Metafilter in-house names for sub sites such as Metatalk when shortening the name to titles such as ‘MeTa’, ‘MeFi’, ‘AskMe’ etc or when being used under the items listed in section (2e) of the schedule.

3k) Oh yeah, an abbreviation like ‘etc’ must never, ever be capitalized. Seriously, I mean that. Do I need to remind you about the fucking kittens?

3l) The letter 'I' must be capitalized at all times when being used in its role as the nominative case of the pronoun denoting the first person singular. If it is in use as the perpendicular pronoun it must be in italics.

3m) The letter 'A' must be capitalized if it is being used as the English indefinite article at the beginning of a sentence. It must not, under any circumstances, be capitalized if it is being used as the English indefinite article in the middle of a sentence.

3n) Capitalization is optional when using letters to denote subsections in a non-binding contract in the content of crappy MeTa comments.

3o) Generally, when used in algebra or other mathematical equations, capitalization should not be used but someone who knows more about maths than me may feel free to correct me.

3p) Letters used to denote bra sizes must always be in capitals. Pictures of the bra holding the breasts are appreciated.

Contract of Capitalization.

THIS AGREEMENT made

BETWEEN Metafilter Punctuation-Nazis

AND __________________________________
(Name)
posted by Effigy2000 at 8:29 PM on October 19, 2006 [20 favorites]


If you're so into being cerebral then why can't you learn to use the SHIFT FUCKING KEY.
posted by Rhomboid at 8:22 PM PST on October 19 [+] [!]


See that? That's me imposing my wishes on your behavior. It sucks doesn't it. So fuck off.
posted by Rhomboid at 8:23 PM PST on October 19 [+] [!]


Somebody didn't get his bottle.
posted by The God Complex at 8:32 PM on October 19, 2006


Right. That's it. I'm sick of all these people bitching about capitalization and the way people use it.

omg i wuznt serieous duh.
posted by loquacious at 8:32 PM on October 19, 2006


Nice multipart ASCII form, though. And we really should have Capslock Day and Talk Like A Pirate Day on the same day. Saves on shoe leather.
posted by loquacious at 8:33 PM on October 19, 2006


"omg i wuznt serieous duh."
posted by loquacious at 2:32 PM AEST on October 20

(Neither was I...)
posted by Effigy2000 at 8:34 PM on October 19, 2006


Rhomboid thinks the food here is awful. And the portions are way too small.
posted by bardic at 8:34 PM on October 19, 2006


i'm not imposing shit. I'm asking a question.

You were asking a question that has been previously asked, hashed out, re-asked, and re-hashed out in Metatalk ad infinitum. You might as well have posted "hey guys why are fat people so fat AMIRITE?" on the blue or "should I declaw my cat" on the green. So I can only conclude that you either weren't aware of the long history of this topic or you were itching for a fight.
posted by Rhomboid at 8:38 PM on October 19, 2006


Pay attention, Alvy. "but every time I make a mention that I'm willing to try it people plead with me to keep them..." The people who plead for allowing them outweigh the people who plead for disallowing them.

Well, aren't we snide.

The question mark was more for the "It's interesting... " part of your comment, which made it seem like a disengenuous dig at either Matt or the mysterious people with "more pull".
I was just wondering if you could elaborate on it.

/Awaits raptly
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:39 PM on October 19, 2006



posted by loquacious at 8:43 PM on October 19, 2006


you're first conclusion was correct. I wasn't aware of the long and apparently incredibly tedious history of this topic. So what? So you attack... my grammar. ooookay.

you're the one itching for a fight.
posted by Miles Long at 8:45 PM on October 19, 2006


oops oh no i must correct myself before the grammar gestapo gets wind of mein error!

'you're' should be 'your'
posted by Miles Long at 8:47 PM on October 19, 2006


No. It was a completely ingenuous dig at Matt. This topic has been brought this up so many times, and he says that he is willing to pull the plug on the image tag, but apparently a few people plead with him to keep it, and so it seems like they have more pull.
posted by crunchland at 8:47 PM on October 19, 2006


oh, what the hell.


posted by bob sarabia at 8:50 PM on October 19, 2006


Or tug, as the case may be.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:50 PM on October 19, 2006


Also : MIDDLE FUCKING PATH YOU BASTARDS.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:51 PM on October 19, 2006


Probably because it isn't worth the hassle and they're mostly harmless. It's really a non-issue; an in-line image is like any other flaggable comment.

If it makes you feel better, you got plenty pull with me, slugger.

/Ruffles crunchland's hair, tosses head back and laughs, frame freezes, live studio audience applauds, producer credits fade up
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:51 PM on October 19, 2006


Also: Best and hottest comment of the day, bob.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:52 PM on October 19, 2006


Miles I don't actually care at all about your spelling or grammar. My point was that starting a thread that essentially amounts to "people do things in their posts that I don't like, could we please put a stop to it?" comes off as mildly offensive, just as if someone had said, "you know what, I don't like to read posts that don't have proper capitalization, can we outlaw that?"
posted by Rhomboid at 8:53 PM on October 19, 2006


Inline images are frequently helpful -- particularly in AskMe. A recent example.
posted by ericb at 8:54 PM on October 19, 2006


So you attack... my grammar.

Well, it is kinda ironic. I mean, I agree with your premise about MetaFilter in general; but in terms of appearing "cerebral," your comments have been the textual equivalents of an elephant pissing.
posted by cribcage at 9:00 PM on October 19, 2006


Considering the deluge of pissing elephants and other asinine bullshit that pollutes the blue and the grey (not to mention the random goatse that gets posted when someone doesn't like their bandwidth being stolen), a hyperlink to the rare images in askme would be just as helpful as posting them inline, and an href tag is as easy, if not easier, to make as an img tag is.
posted by crunchland at 9:00 PM on October 19, 2006


yeah, well you know, maybe you shouldn't have mentioned it without having picture prefect grammar yourself. Or the word FUCKING in all caps.
It's not just that i don't like it, some people look at mefi at work. It's usually a totally tame site. However... scroll down and theres an elephant pissing. uh oh.
posted by Miles Long at 9:01 PM on October 19, 2006


And some folks could get in trouble for having FUCKING written in bold caps on their work screens. uh oh.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:03 PM on October 19, 2006


Sorry, not bold. This time... dun Dun DUNNN!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:04 PM on October 19, 2006


a hyperlink to the rare images in askme would be just as helpful as posting them inline, and an href tag is as easy, if not easier, to make as an img tag is.

Quoted for truth.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:06 PM on October 19, 2006


i gotta say though, i love bob sarabia.
posted by Miles Long at 9:06 PM on October 19, 2006


Then this'll make your pants explode.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:10 PM on October 19, 2006


some people look at mefi at work.

Not that again. We've been over this before. YOU'RE AT WORK. WE DON'T WANT YOUR WORKPLACE DICTATING OUR WEBSITE. ALL OF YOUR DUMB WORKPLACES ARE DIFFERENT AND HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS. WE DON'T WANT THOSE STANDARDS HERE. GET BACK TO WORK.

It's usually a totally tame site.

It's becoming more and more tame, and more and more boring. Probably because people keep bitching about what's acceptable to post or not.

Really, I've been getting bored, and considering leaving. Today was pretty terrible. It was pretty much an endless stream of unbelievably terrible anti-GOP posts. Yeah, it's news and all that, but damn. I keep looking around for the fun, weird, cool links and the majority just seems like it's either bad news, strident, preachy or pretty much not best of the web.

I dunno. Maybe I'm cranky and I need a nap.

But I know one thing for sure: No workplace or combination of workplaces has any fucking right whatsoever to dictate the norms of MetaFilter or the net at large.
posted by loquacious at 9:12 PM on October 19, 2006 [2 favorites]


Wow Effigy2000, that was... elaborate. Damn.

And the blink tag is back? testing...

When did that happen?
posted by quin at 9:13 PM on October 19, 2006


WE DON'T WANT YOUR WORKPLACE DICTATING OUR WEBSITE. ALL OF YOUR DUMB WORKPLACES ARE DIFFERENT AND HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.

We've had this argument before (we've had almost every argument before, but that isn't necessarily a reason not to have them again, like the gigantic codependant dysfunctional family we resemble), loquacious. I said this last time. I still think you're wrong, and depressingly so.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:16 PM on October 19, 2006 [1 favorite]


Ban gifs; allow jpegs.
posted by peacay at 9:18 PM on October 19, 2006


i think people get confused. You're right, no workplace can rule (with an iron fist!) the net. but it's also in matt's interest to keep the site with as wide an audience as possible, dontyathink? and also, there is a pretty widely accepted standard of what's unacceptable.

porn. no inline porn is a pretty good rule.

i think you're cranky and need a nap. i really been liking your contributions to this thread. they're funny and on topic. really.
posted by Miles Long at 9:23 PM on October 19, 2006


Today was pretty terrible. It was pretty much an endless stream of unbelievably terrible anti-GOP posts.

not to mention the same damned arguments and subjects we've seen over and over and over again

booooooooring
posted by pyramid termite at 9:25 PM on October 19, 2006


Some of the best laughs on MetaFilter are from animated GIFs. Of course they're obnoxious when they're a derail, but that what flagging's for. Granted, this place is about way more than laughs, but spontaneous levity is nothing to sneeze at in my book.
posted by owhydididoit at 9:42 PM on October 19, 2006


stavros: I have no problem with individuals self-modifying their behavior. I feel I do a pretty good job in avoiding in-lining extreme or NSFW images myself. I swear like nut-kicked pirate in text, but goddamnit, it's part of who I am.

What I have a problem with is someone using the "some of us browse from work" argument. I've had jobs where I avoided MeFi at work, and I've had jobs where I spent hours every day on MeFi while at work.

People have to make a judgement call of their own if it's acceptable where they work at. It's their liability, it's their risk, it's their job and livelihood. They need to accept responsibility for their own actions.

Again, I do modify my behavior. I'm not at all saying that self-policing is a bad thing. I'm not a fool.

However I would never, ever make a serious, ernest request that people modify their behavior here or tone things down or otherwise stop expressing themselves because my own workplace had restrictive internet use policies.

I don't want to eliminate posts in the blue to erotica. I don't want people to have to refrain from using any words they felt the need to use. I don't want people to feel that can't post fringe, counterculture or rec-sub posts or any number of other potentially workplace-averse topics just because I'm browsing from work.

I see it as a client-side vs. server-side issue. The freedom of the server should always takes precedent - the clients can modify their consumtion as they see fit. This affords the broadest spectrum of content.

So, I am thinking of the community, and it's freedom of expression and not myself when I make this argument, and it's mildly offensive to me that you can't understand that or acknowledge that facet.

Honestly. Seriously. I can't really put it into words how serious I am. If it was pointed out to me that my participation here was a net negative to the community, I'd happily leave. I'm not that emotionally attached to typing random shit into a little box.
posted by loquacious at 9:50 PM on October 19, 2006


but it's also in matt's interest to keep the site with as wide an audience as possible

Which is why we want to keep a diversity of tags!

Claiming ignorance of the history is really disingenuous. It was your responsibility to search for old threads on the topic before bringing it up. It isn't like they are hard to find.
posted by Chuckles at 9:51 PM on October 19, 2006


Okay, I guess that last one is a mislink..
posted by Chuckles at 9:53 PM on October 19, 2006


But there are all these, so..
posted by Chuckles at 9:54 PM on October 19, 2006


And now...

...naptime.
posted by loquacious at 10:01 PM on October 19, 2006 [1 favorite]


Holy crap, that lonelygirl animation looked entirely like something else when only part of it was visible at the bottom of the screen...

What a disappointment.
posted by emelenjr at 10:33 PM on October 19, 2006


kittens!
posted by FunkyHelix at 10:41 PM on October 19, 2006


Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced -> Multimedia:Show Pictures [uncheck]
posted by MetaMonkey at 10:58 PM on October 19, 2006


I don't want to eliminate posts in the blue to erotica. I don't want people to have to refrain from using any words they felt the need to use. I don't want people to feel that can't post fringe, counterculture or rec-sub posts or any number of other potentially workplace-averse topics just because I'm browsing from work.

Nobody, anywhere that I can remember seeing, has suggested such a thing. *tweet* Twenty yard penalty for strawman tossing!

Look, I believe from what I've gleaned from your persona here that you are both thoughtful and participating in good faith. I suspect if we sat down over a bottle of whiskey and argued about it for a coupla hours, we'd end up on exactly the same page. But here, in text, I think we're arguing past each other on this topic, so: kittens!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:01 PM on October 19, 2006


I find this creepy as hell. I don't like the way her slighly disembodied head is looking at me.

So thank you for the kittens!
posted by Famous at 11:05 PM on October 19, 2006


Outlaw them, or let them stay?

Malarkey? or Effective Way?
posted by jonson at 11:11 PM on October 19, 2006


Argle bargle, or fooferaw?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:13 PM on October 19, 2006


Flapdoodle or rhodomontade ?
posted by y2karl at 11:18 PM on October 19, 2006



posted by bob sarabia at 11:31 PM on October 19, 2006


Miles, it is impossible to take you seriously when you can't find the shift key. Try to use your grownup voice at the table.
posted by LarryC at 11:32 PM on October 19, 2006


oh, and miles - fuck you.
posted by quonsar at 4:29 AM on October 20, 2006


So, what we've decided is quonsar has a bigger pulltug than crunchland?
posted by If I Had An Anus at 4:35 AM on October 20, 2006


this place is about way more than laughs, but spontaneous levity is nothing to sneeze at in my book.

I'm with you, owhy, but remember to sneeze into your sleeve, not your book.

And thanks for that link stav. Now I can see most of these things even before they show up on MeFi. But I'm glad that we have discerning gentlemen like bob sarabia to bring the best of them to these pages. Hats off to ya, bob!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:25 AM on October 20, 2006


I'm Miles Long, and I approve of this message anything that might get me elected. Why? Well, his fellow MeFites are the (cue menacing music) WRONG KIND. For starters, they post inline images, but not always text. On top of that, they also use animated gifs and blink text. But worst of all? Because of those posters, people at work are subject to the threads that support NSFW themes. Elect Miles Long, and he'll finish the job he started in MeTa 12906.
posted by Smart Dalek at 5:36 AM on October 20, 2006 [1 favorite]



posted by fixedgear at 5:55 AM on October 20, 2006


this
thread
is
useless
posted by cellphone at 5:57 AM on October 20, 2006


Metafilter: Typing random shit into a little box.
posted by Otis at 5:58 AM on October 20, 2006


No mention yet of the chicken fucking GIF? I mean, man, that was... well, I don't know how else I would have seen that if not for MetaFilter.
posted by GuyZero at 6:30 AM on October 20, 2006


And the blink tag is back? testing...

When did that happen?


When I paid mathowie off.
posted by cortex at 6:30 AM on October 20, 2006


I agree with bardic. Although I don't remember ever posting anything blatantly nsfw.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 6:35 AM on October 20, 2006



posted by jonmc at 6:51 AM on October 20, 2006 [1 favorite]


Inline GIFs: useful
At times, but often abused.
Likewise, lack of caps.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:57 AM on October 20, 2006


What stavros said. It works fine on MetaChat. When I'm at work, I leave images off, unless I need to look at something specific. When I'm at home, I leave them on, 'cause, hey! - time to unclench. I really don't get why this has to be an all or nothing thing.

But if it does, then I vote for all. Because I don't need to be fucking protected from words and pictures I don't like. MetaFilter is both a community, which implies interaction with ideas I might find offensive, and it's a business, which implies that it's probably in mathowie's best financial interest to eventually water it down for the widest appeal. So far, I think he's made a valiant effort to resist the gentrification of MetaFilter. Because I guaranfreakinteeyou - the more restrictions you put on a place like this, the less interesting it will become. All good things are messy. That's life. Open up a moist towelette, have a seat, get that MetaFilter all over you.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:20 AM on October 20, 2006




Even if it has been brought up before, i think it's totally valid to bring it up again every once in awhile, to take mefi's temperature on the subject. And to keep things from getting too fark-y.


thanks everybody! i learned a lot. mostly who the assholes are. And i got a fuck you from quonsar! Now i'm somebody.
posted by Miles Long at 7:45 AM on October 20, 2006


i learned a lot. mostly who the assholes are.

Isn't self-discovery grand?
posted by loquacious at 7:53 AM on October 20, 2006




Miles Long posted "i don't like it when people post pictures in metafilter."

It's often useful on Ask.

crunchland writes "This topic has been brought this up so many times, and he says that he is willing to pull the plug on the image tag, but apparently a few people plead with him to keep it, and so it seems like they have more pull."

I'd think it more that the argument that images are useful is more compelling than the argument that images are annoying.
posted by Mitheral at 8:41 AM on October 20, 2006


Nobody gives a damn what you don't like. Sit down and shut up.
posted by boo_radley at 8:45 AM on October 20, 2006


I disagree -- I like them. And if you want more, perhaps you could buy them here:


unretouched photo snapped recently on el Camino Real, in Silicon Valley

posted by Rash at 9:01 AM on October 20, 2006


"[Images are] often useful on Ask."

But their usefulness isn't diminished if they're made available via a link rather than being posted inline.
posted by Olli at 9:23 AM on October 20, 2006


"What do other people think? Outlaw them, or let them stay?"

Miles Long, I think you don't understand that Metafilter is NOT a democracy. It's basically one net.celeb's personal blog that he gives us conditional write permission for (for a fee now) and that his buddy Jessamyn helps him run. This has been demonstrated countless times. I'd've thought you knew that by now, "Mr. member since: April 2, 2004".
posted by davy at 9:31 AM on October 20, 2006




Nice abs.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:36 AM on October 20, 2006


I'd think it more that the argument that images are useful is more compelling than the argument that images are annoying.

No, I think that Matt doesn't think that it's worth the hassle of taking away your inalienable right to post an image of a dancing squirrel playing the harmonica, to post it when it doesn't even make sense to the thread, or even if it's not particularly funny. He doesn't want to strip some people of the little shreds that pretend to be a sense of humor, who don't have an ounce of cleverness aside from the funny pictures they found on fark. That it's easier to put up with the bullshit than to apply a little more control on the people who evidently have none. The cacophony of displeasure that arise because a chatty askme thread gets deleted is small compared to what we'd have to endure if he did away with inline images from the crybabies who cling to them.
posted by crunchland at 10:25 AM on October 20, 2006 [1 favorite]


i don't like it when people post rants in metafilter.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 10:27 AM on October 20, 2006 [1 favorite]


That's awfully passionate for a thread about inline gifs.
posted by smackfu at 10:31 AM on October 20, 2006


A dancing squirrel?
Playing a harmonica?

This I gotta see!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:38 AM on October 20, 2006



posted by Otis at 10:40 AM on October 20, 2006


Nobody gives a damn what you don't like. Sit down and shut up.
posted by boo_radley


114 comments says you're wrong.

plus i hear that images can be useful on ask metafilter.
posted by Miles Long at 10:45 AM on October 20, 2006


i don't like much of anything.

metafilter should reflect that.
posted by dflemingdotorg at 10:59 AM on October 20, 2006


crunchland writes "to post an image of a dancing squirrel playing the harmonica,"

Please link to harmonic playing dancing squirrel.
posted by Mitheral at 11:41 AM on October 20, 2006



posted by bob sarabia at 12:22 PM on October 20, 2006 [1 favorite]


Bonus:

posted by bob sarabia at 12:24 PM on October 20, 2006



posted by The Great Big Mulp at 12:31 PM on October 20, 2006


w...why can't we just have a user option to show or hide images?
posted by soma lkzx at 12:44 PM on October 20, 2006


We do. It's in our browser preferences.

Seriously — does any modern browser not let you turn off auto-image-loading?
posted by nebulawindphone at 1:04 PM on October 20, 2006


do we have to have the chipmunk vs. squirrel argument again?
posted by spicynuts at 1:18 PM on October 20, 2006



posted by loquacious at 1:31 PM on October 20, 2006


loquacious : "Really, I've been getting bored, and considering leaving. Today was pretty terrible. It was pretty much an endless stream of unbelievably terrible anti-GOP posts. Yeah, it's news and all that, but damn. I keep looking around for the fun, weird, cool links and the majority just seems like it's either bad news, strident, preachy or pretty much not best of the web."

I suspect there's an election coming up in the US (I can keep track of the presidential elections, but I dunno when the other ones are), and MetaFilter always gets really shitty around American election time. A few months after the election, things will probably return to interesting.
posted by Bugbread at 1:42 PM on October 20, 2006


Seriously — does any modern browser not let you turn off auto-image-loading?

I know that in Firefox, which I use, you can turn off image loading on pages for images not on the page's domain, but in practice, this option is somewhat less than useful, as I don't think it handles subdomains well, or actual legitimate cases where 'external' images are being used. There doesn't appear to be any way of telling it "don't load external images from *.metafilter.com", and so an option in our preferences here would be nice for those who don't want to see inline images here.
posted by Godbert at 1:46 PM on October 20, 2006



posted by The Deej at 2:06 PM on October 20, 2006


bugbread: Yeah, I know. And often the links and news as they're done here is far superior to just about anywhere else, as was pointed out to me in an IM earlier today. They are valuable.

It's just ...depressing. Dramatic. Stressful. The news sucks, and outside of the odd glance at news.google or news.bbc I actually probably get most of my news through MeFi. I often wish for a newsfilter-filter, or an alternate page for that kind of stuff, or whatever. I wish people (including myself) would learn better journalistic technique, to editorialize less, or to editorialze more subtly, deftly and succinctly, and to consume less of the front page with the depressing stuff.

It's just all growing more and more wearisome.

Stop the world! I want a chocolate eclair!
posted by loquacious at 2:17 PM on October 20, 2006


So we're agreed? The solution is to ban Miles Long. Or at least prod him into a flameout. The latter would mean no more Miles Long and it would please Languagehat. Win-win.

Jonson, I'm, er, bummed that I have that book in storage. It's much more fun to keep it on the coffee table.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 2:20 PM on October 20, 2006


Rehabilitation, not exile, EB. We force Miles Long to make a series of upbeat, apolitical posts as penance, and to provide loquacious with tasty morsels of fun and oddness so that he doesn't wander off.

And then he can flame out if he wants.
posted by cortex at 2:25 PM on October 20, 2006



posted by dflemingdotorg at 2:38 PM on October 20, 2006 [1 favorite]

unretouched photo snapped recently on el Camino Real, in Silicon Valley
HOLY SHIT

I live, literally, just down the street from that place. What an awesome intersection between MeFi and my real life.
posted by scrump at 2:49 PM on October 20, 2006




Compromise?

img { width: 16px; height: 16px; }
img:hover { width: auto; height: auto; }

posted by xiojason at 3:10 PM on October 20, 2006 [1 favorite]


I live, literally, just down the street from that place.

A Silicon Valley meetup really is long overdue.
posted by Rash at 3:20 PM on October 20, 2006


i don't like it when people post shitty whines in metatalk. I like double whines even less. It makes metatalk like every other community blog I frequent. Probably as whiny as a face warming party at your NSFWife. What do other people think? Face or ass first?
posted by econous at 5:40 PM on October 20, 2006


Non-squirrels not playing harmonicas.
posted by moira at 5:44 PM on October 20, 2006


Spaces in front of punctuation drives me crazy. Can we ban people for that too, while we're at it?
posted by Hildegarde at 6:07 PM on October 20, 2006


I think Miles Long should give a sign of good will and post the dancing squirrel with harmonica himself.
posted by micayetoca at 6:59 AM on October 21, 2006


gifs, gifs, the magical fruit, the more you eat, the more you post a lame call-oot.
posted by Kwine at 9:18 AM on October 21, 2006


Most browsers will stop animating all gif images on the page when you press the escape key. In firefox you can also change (in about:config) the key image.animation_mode to "once" to have it loop once and stop, or "none" to prevent all animation.

To disable the blink tag, set browser.blink_allowed to false. (This is the only one of the above that I do, apart from hitting escape on pages with animated advertising.)
posted by George_Spiggott at 10:14 AM on October 21, 2006


Wow, I did not know that Esc stopped animated gifs. Thanks George_Spiggott, that is incredibly useful.
posted by quin at 10:57 AM on October 21, 2006


rash said:
A Silicon Valley meetup really is long overdue.
Ask and ye shall receive.
posted by scrump at 10:36 AM on October 23, 2006


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