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Just curious why yet another Ask Metafilter answer was immediately deleted with no email explanation. Thanks.
posted by four panels to Etiquette/Policy at 11:35 AM (95 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

I deleted it along with a couple of answers that were saying nothing but "no that's totally wrong"; judging by those and some similar sentiments still present in other comments, it was, in fact, totally wrong and kind of starting a derail in the thread.

Sorry for the lack of email, but it's kind of hopping at work today.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:44 AM on June 29, 2007


Well, for one thing, I suspect that the fact that you don't have an email address in your profile presented a bit of an obstacle for the mods.
posted by amro at 11:44 AM on June 29, 2007


No, four panels has an email listed, it's just not set as visible for the public profile.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:46 AM on June 29, 2007


Oh, huh. I don't think I knew that was an option. I hereby retract my snarkiness.
posted by amro at 11:48 AM on June 29, 2007


Thanks, cortex, for the quick response.
posted by four panels at 11:53 AM on June 29, 2007


No problem. In the future, it'd probably make more sense to take the initiative and just email one or all of us instead of a starting a thread for something like this.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:58 AM on June 29, 2007


Do you mind if I have that residual snark if no one is going to use it?
posted by Falconetti at 11:59 AM on June 29, 2007


Do y'all normally email when you delete comments? I thought it was only when you deleted posts.
posted by occhiblu at 12:01 PM on June 29, 2007


I've never been emailed when a comment was deleted. Is that something we should expect? On the other hand - while I understand the impulse to delete answers that are off topic, it seems like a bad idea to me to delete answers simply because someone (or even everyone) thinks they're wrong. Seems against the spirit of the site, somehow.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:02 PM on June 29, 2007


I was one of the people who flagged the comment. It wasn't just that it was wrong, it was that it implied that the poster was fat, which seemed not only a derail but also obnoxious.
posted by occhiblu at 12:04 PM on June 29, 2007


(And given the title of this thread, I don't think I was just reading into it without provocation...)
posted by occhiblu at 12:05 PM on June 29, 2007


I'd say most deleted comments in AskMe don't get an email; by the same token, most deleted comments are usually either jokes or out of line for the site. If something's really tricky or contentious, we might send an email, and I'll sometimes write to a very new user on the assumption that they might not know what's up. I don't know what Jess's comment-deletion notification practices are like by comparison.

Nuking this exchange gave me a little pause specifically because of what IRFH just said—being wrong isn't precisely against the rules, and can be instructive. But being apparently dead wrong on a fairly specific issue in a way that leads to a cascade of one-note responses in lieu of actual useful answers is genuinely damaging to the thread, and it seemed better to just cull it and avoid a pile-on.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:07 PM on June 29, 2007


requesting "why did my foo get deleted?" posts get their own category, which would never be seen by anybody.

...

Even mods.
posted by boo_radley at 12:11 PM on June 29, 2007


"Do y'all normally email when you delete comments? I thought it was only when you deleted posts."

I thought it was only after exhibiting a pattern of jerkiness, generally precipitated by little to no outside positive social interaction, that you get an email that says something like, "Knock it off, jerkface, or be banned."

I mean, that's what I've heard. From people.
posted by klangklangston at 12:11 PM on June 29, 2007


Sorry for the lack of email, but it's kind of hopping at work today.

Wait...... cortext has a job?
posted by Afroblanco at 12:12 PM on June 29, 2007


cortex: Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see the deleted comments, so the "wrong answer" reasoning seemed odd out of context.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:15 PM on June 29, 2007


I know. How fucked up is that?
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:16 PM on June 29, 2007


To Afroblanco, that. I don't think it's fucked up that you're glad for the clarification, Flo.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:16 PM on June 29, 2007


(So what was the comment?)
posted by mendel at 12:33 PM on June 29, 2007


My guess is he called Elliott Smith a "fattie."
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:38 PM on June 29, 2007


Why is dios cortext the topic of every thread? And what's to be done about the Oxford comma?
posted by Mister_A at 12:40 PM on June 29, 2007


(So what was the comment?)

If I recall, it was a rather curt suggestion that she should try Lane Bryant. Someone with a greasemonkey thingy will be along with a direct quote, probably.

Who is cortext? (hummm that would make a great first line for the novel I'm writing)
posted by iconomy at 12:41 PM on June 29, 2007


Sorry for the lack of email, but it's kind of hopping at work today.

Just wait until tomorrow -- it's a full (and blue) moon. Prepare ye' for lots of looney behavior!
posted by ericb at 12:42 PM on June 29, 2007


Afroblanco gived me the ball and I runned with it.
posted by Mister_A at 12:43 PM on June 29, 2007


four panels told the OP to try Lane Bryant, which led to a bunch of responses to four panels regarding the inappropriateness of that recommendation in this case.
posted by amro at 12:43 PM on June 29, 2007


four panels quoted the poster's height and dress size, followed by a curt recommendation to head to Lane Bryant. It was hard not to see it as snark.
posted by occhiblu at 12:51 PM on June 29, 2007


Well that's a comment that's as ill-informed as it is mean-spirited. Well done with the deletion there gore-tex.
posted by Mister_A at 12:54 PM on June 29, 2007


four panels quoted the poster's height and dress size, followed by a curt recommendation to head to Lane Bryant. It was hard not to see it as snark.

Hmm. Especially since the OP gave her size as 10/12, and Lane Bryant sizes start at size 14.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:54 PM on June 29, 2007


Heading to Lane Bryant is never a bad suggestion. Well, except in this case. But, in general, words to live by.
posted by and hosted from Uranus at 1:01 PM on June 29, 2007


Yea but the reasons guys head to Lane Bryant differ from the reasons why women head to Lane Bryant.
posted by Mister_A at 1:16 PM on June 29, 2007


Just curious why yet another Ask Metafilter answer was immediately deleted with no email explanation. Thanks.

[ ] That weird ax you carry around with AskMe written on the handle looked liked it needed grindin'.

[ ] The admins felt it was a way to address the worrying lack of pointless and petty shit MeTa's.

And lastly, and I'm just totally pulling this one out of the blue:
[ ] The crap nature of your response was so blindingly obvious that it didn't merit any action above deletion; like a diseased rat, all it deserved was sudden blow to the head and an unceremonious toss into a nearby cesspool.

More importantly, why was there no mint on my pillow last night? Get with it, admins!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:19 PM on June 29, 2007


four panels quoted the poster's height and dress size, followed by a curt recommendation to head to Lane Bryant. It was hard not to see it as snark.

That's what you get for being Curt! [NOT CURTIS]
posted by Mister_A at 1:22 PM on June 29, 2007


'Cause your pillow wasn't in mint condition.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:22 PM on June 29, 2007 [3 favorites]


ZING!
posted by klangklangston at 1:25 PM on June 29, 2007


"Well that's a comment that's as ill-informed as it is mean-spirited. Well done with the deletion there gore-tex."

Gore-tex? More like Snore-tex, amirite?

Sorry, not sure why I'm channelling Buddy Sorrell...
posted by klangklangston at 1:27 PM on June 29, 2007


Well, if you know a better way to practice kissing, I'd like to hear it.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:30 PM on June 29, 2007


I was one of the people who flagged the comment. It wasn't just that it was wrong, it was that it implied that the poster was fat, which seemed not only a derail but also obnoxious.

Ugh. What a wreck. I read the comment and I disagreed, obviously, but do you have to spell out your assertion that Lane Bryant = Teh Fatteez?

It was just the wrong store. If you can read offense in that, you're the fattist, obviously.

As a matter of fact, tops at Lane Bryant would totally be worth a shot for some size 10/12s with big racks in the market for modest workwear. I've always swam in all their tops, even at a pants size 16. Very chesty cuts.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:47 PM on June 29, 2007


wow, now I kind of wonder why fourpanels was confused about the deletion at all. I mean, that's more than a little mean.
posted by shmegegge at 1:52 PM on June 29, 2007


on preview, never mind.
posted by shmegegge at 1:53 PM on June 29, 2007


I've always swam in all their tops...

I'd like some discrete footage of you dog-paddling in mead, please.
posted by cog_nate at 1:53 PM on June 29, 2007 [1 favorite]


on preview complete lack of preview nevermind.

ugh. fuck it. nevermind.
posted by shmegegge at 1:54 PM on June 29, 2007


occhiblu: you're right about the tone, but I chose to ignore such faint snark as that.

I guess it's just weak that the very mention of Lane Bryant gets that "Heavens NO, darling, you're not plus-size! You carry it so well!" Ego-stroking, belittling bullshit reaction. Call a spade a spade. Wear the tent that fits.

/5'9" 12-14
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:54 PM on June 29, 2007


As Clinton and Stacey say, dress the biggest part of your body and tailor to fit.
posted by wemayfreeze at 1:55 PM on June 29, 2007


dress the biggest part of your body and tailor to fit

[insert penis... reference... here]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:58 PM on June 29, 2007


[insert penis... reference... here]

I'd really rather not, if it's all the same to you.
posted by dersins at 2:03 PM on June 29, 2007


As the OP, I didn't take it as snark so much as someone who thought genuinely that a tall girl who wore double digits must be fat, so he rattled off the "fat girls" store name he knew. Now granted, I thought I might be wrong and they had clothes that might fit, so I went and real big on the top of the web page it says "14w" which of course is much bigger than a 14 everywhere else.
posted by stormygrey at 2:08 PM on June 29, 2007


AskMe needs to be shut down for a few weeks so you bitches can all get a bit of perspective.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:11 PM on June 29, 2007


(Get it? 'Cause that would make me an ambr.... ah, to hell with it. It's quittin' time. I'm hittin' the bar.)
posted by cog_nate at 2:14 PM on June 29, 2007


oh dear. *paddles frantically away*
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:22 PM on June 29, 2007


I am endlessly amused by these threads.

Keep 'em coming you magnificent sexy aggrieved indignant overcaffeinated sense of entitlement having whiners! You make my day after day.
posted by kosem at 2:23 PM on June 29, 2007 [1 favorite]


I don't know what Jess's comment-deletion notification practices are like by comparison.

I'll email you if you're new, I think you might be confused by the deletion, or on the off chance I had to edit something. Otherwise, it's unlikely I'll email you. You are welcome to email us which is really what you probably should have done this time four panels.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:27 PM on June 29, 2007


I would have been here sooner, but I'm in the iPhone line (for purely friend-support reasons since I can't get a Vermont number).
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:29 PM on June 29, 2007


Please be kidding.

And wait a damn minute! I haven't heard from Matt all day either...

posted by cortex (staff) at 2:35 PM on June 29, 2007


iphones are the new dios.
posted by boo_radley at 2:36 PM on June 29, 2007 [1 favorite]


uh-huh, "friend support". suuuuuure
posted by puke & cry at 2:36 PM on June 29, 2007


I almost responded in that thread to a comment about large boobs and bum, asking for pics please, but I did not.

So I am growing as a person.
posted by davejay at 2:37 PM on June 29, 2007


I deleted it along with a couple of answers...

From what I've seen, when Jessamyn cleans up a thread she usually adds a small-font, in-thread note to the effect of, "Removed Lane Bryant derail. Take it to MeTa." That seems to avoid confusion.
posted by cribcage at 2:41 PM on June 29, 2007


Snore-tex? More like Boor-tex. High five!
posted by vronsky at 2:48 PM on June 29, 2007


User names that I get confused: Astro Zombie (& crew), Ambrosia Voyeur, Alvy Ampersand, Mr. A. It's nice, I'm constantly surprised. Just when I feel like I'm getting a sense of a personality I realize it's the other one.
posted by OmieWise at 2:48 PM on June 29, 2007


User names that I get confused? Languagehat and It's Raining Florence Henderson.
posted by vronsky at 2:57 PM on June 29, 2007


From what I've seen, when Jessamyn cleans up a thread she usually adds a small-font, in-thread note to the effect of, "Removed Lane Bryant derail. Take it to MeTa." That seems to avoid confusion.

Yeah, I've taken to doing that sometimes as well; I didn't in this case because it wasn't so much a case of a fundamental issue of the question that was likely to keep popping up (unlike, say, a comparative religion flamefest springing up in a biblical interpretation question). With four panel's comment and the immediate rebuttals gone, it didn't seem likely that Lane Bryant was going to recur as a hot-button issue in the thread.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:03 PM on June 29, 2007


Sorry for the lack of email, but it's kind of hopping at work today.
posted by cortex


Oh... well.. excuse the HELL out of us, if your precious "job" is getting in the way of MeFi.

You don't see any of us having "jobs."

Kids these days and their ipods and crack cocaine, and jobs. Hrmph.
posted by The Deej at 3:05 PM on June 29, 2007 [1 favorite]


gore-tex

Ok wait, are we going with 'gore-tex' because he's waterproof and breathable or because he's gory? You know, like a Troma film.

I merely ask for reference purposes.
posted by quin at 3:08 PM on June 29, 2007


No, see, I invented the Internet.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:09 PM on June 29, 2007


"Snore-tex? More like Boor-tex. High five!"

RIGHT ON!
posted by klangklangston at 3:09 PM on June 29, 2007


On the subject of deleted stuff.

This post was deleted for the following reason: Let's all give tristeza a round of applause for her very first deleted post! -- cortex

Amateur! Took her 5 years to do that. I had a deleted FPP in no time!

Also, you closed the thread, so how are we supposed to congratulate her? Oh wait, here? OK then.

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by The Deej at 3:10 PM on June 29, 2007


Oh, also, I think I had an answer deleted from the Tainted Fast Food AskMe. Either that, or I wrote it but didn't click "post."

I didn't get a phone call from the Jabbas, so I'll assume it's the latter.
posted by The Deej at 3:18 PM on June 29, 2007


Well, I confused dios and rothko...I mean, who wouldn't, really... and years ago I confused pictures of Matt and Cory Doctorow, although I'm very careful now, what with the site's massive BoingBoing fan contingent.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 3:26 PM on June 29, 2007


You aren't doing yourself any favors, four panels.
posted by grouse at 4:01 PM on June 29, 2007


I confuse cabbage with bock choy.
posted by The Deej at 4:02 PM on June 29, 2007


And bok choy with bock choy, apparently.
posted by dersins at 4:08 PM on June 29, 2007


I confuse kale with fibrous green shitleaves. Goddam kale.
posted by cortex (staff) at 4:09 PM on June 29, 2007


iconomy writes 'Someone with a greasemonkey thingy will be along with a direct quote, probably.'

I don't think that there *is* a greasemonkey thing that shows deleted comments, is there?

And while I'm on the subject, the greasemonkey thing that shows deleted FPP's seems to have stopped working for me. Is it just me, or has it stopped working for everyone?
posted by PeterMcDermott at 4:17 PM on June 29, 2007


Goddam kale.

It's no chard, that's for sure.
posted by dersins at 4:21 PM on June 29, 2007


Pete, may I direct you to what I believe was the last MeTa on the matter?
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 4:27 PM on June 29, 2007


And bok choy with bock choy, apparently.
posted by dersins 13 minutes ago


Well well well... What have we here?? Looks like we gots areselves a spellin notzee! Yu know what we do with spellin notzee? Do ya???

Well... I'll tell ya. Soon as I think of supm.
posted by The Deej at 4:28 PM on June 29, 2007


requesting "why did my foo get deleted?" posts get their own category, which would never be seen by anybody.

Heartily seconded, and I'd suggest a brisk rogering as well.
posted by languagehat at 4:29 PM on June 29, 2007


Looks like we gots areselves a spellin notzee

No, just a produce nazi.
posted by dersins at 4:31 PM on June 29, 2007


I guess it's just weak that the very mention of Lane Bryant gets that "Heavens NO, darling, you're not plus-size! You carry it so well!" Ego-stroking, belittling bullshit reaction. Call a spade a spade. Wear the tent that fits.

/5'9" 12-14


I'm those specs (well, depends on the store) and I'm not a fat ass. So, uh, maybe you should keep your downers to yourself.
posted by dame at 4:37 PM on June 29, 2007


I don't think that there *is* a greasemonkey thing that shows deleted comments, is there?

As far as I'm aware, no. I don't even know how that would work.
posted by puke & cry at 4:37 PM on June 29, 2007


I have a greasemonkey script that reads deleted foo before you write it, filters out any bitter or unsavory references, then posts it to my iFood. It's yummo! (But highly fattening!)
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:46 PM on June 29, 2007


yo dame, I'm not exactly known around these parts for hating on ladies of any size... How you could interpret my comments as downers somewhat eludes me. Body issues are done. Either get a good fit or be more fit, face facts, and be awesome.

I'll try to be clearer: I don't think there should be stigma attached to Lane Bryant, (or "tents" which was just a little black humor) such that there would be an outcry against someone being incorrectly described as a potential customer. Maybe I'm just spoiled, coming from a family of 16s... Not used to that stigma.

Or are you calling me a fat ass? Great, now I'm going to emotionally eat. And I was winning my biggest loser competition too. (Suck it, CEO)
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 4:52 PM on June 29, 2007


I bought my iPhone a new dress at Lane Bryant.
posted by epugachev at 4:54 PM on June 29, 2007


I stand corrected with regards to the greasemonkey thingy.
posted by iconomy at 4:57 PM on June 29, 2007


You fatties sure are irritable. Shouldn't y'all be shopping at Dress Barn anyway?
posted by klangklangston at 5:11 PM on June 29, 2007


You wouldn't be such fatasses if you ate more bock choy instead of big ol' stakes.
posted by The Deej at 6:44 PM on June 29, 2007


"Have some nice juicy stake, fatpyre!"
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:05 PM on June 29, 2007


Bae chu is Korean for bok choy. Also, I hereby suggest that cortex change his name to cortext!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:18 PM on June 29, 2007


I guess it's just weak that the very mention of Lane Bryant gets that "Heavens NO, darling, you're not plus-size!

Except that the poster in question actually isn't plus sized which makes the tent shit look really lame.

I know our culture has totally fucked up ideas of body size and what's healthy, but seriously. There's this whole range between size two and being overweight which is called 'average' and 'normal'. The original poster sits right in there (as do I). We're not all supermodels or fatties.
posted by shelleycat at 7:27 PM on June 29, 2007


Ug. Meant to add: I don't think there was an outcry because four panels assumed she was fat, or at least that's not how I read it. His comment was just totally wrong and silly and had no place in there. Might as well tell a 5'8 guy to go shop at Big 'n Tall.
posted by shelleycat at 7:29 PM on June 29, 2007


Four or five responses derailing to call out the comment as "just so very wrong" seemed clear evidence to me that some offended "you're not that fat, he's just being mean, only 'big girls' 'need' Lane Bryant" sentiment was going on... more so than I suppose would happen than if someone had recommended Petite Sophisticate. And now we're being divided into supermodels/normals/fatties and the boundry is still drawn at Lane Bryant? How is that better? Maybe I'm just defensive. Maybe I'm confused that there could even be a MeTa post about why an unapologetically and now seemingly deliberate dig at an OP was deleted. I give up.

I've already done my time in Lane Bryant, Torrid and God Bless Old Navy. So anyone else who wants to give me lessons in self deprecating weight humor is welcome to post a memo to my (I will reiterate) 5'9" size 16-18 12-14, 228 209 pound, ass.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:30 PM on June 29, 2007


There's a "the core texts of MetaFilter" joke to be had here somewhere, if I could be arsed to think about it.
posted by Abiezer at 7:05 AM on June 30, 2007


So anyone else who wants to give me lessons in self deprecating weight humor is welcome to post a memo to my (I will reiterate) 5'9" size 16-18 12-14, 228 209 pound, ass.

Yeah, see, you can be 5'9" and a 12 and weigh like 165. So just cause you think you are a fat ass doesn't mean we all are. Or that being a 12 means we aren't fit. So your "humor" is off base, just like the response that was deleted. Which was my point.
posted by dame at 3:42 PM on June 30, 2007


I don't think I'm a "fat ass." But thanks for inferring I am, just the same. Thankfully, I believe a woman can be overweight, underweight or a purple spotted leper prostitute without suffering from value judgments. Which was my point.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 5:10 PM on June 30, 2007


Oh man, this thread would've been much better if Four Panels had said he "felt like he was disappeared like a Jew in Auschwitz". Why are genocide references almost always WWII era Jews anyway? Couldn't someone say something original like "I was disappeared like a Tangut in Xia!"

Could we get temporary or permanent Metafilter badges of shame in our profile when we piss off the admins? It'd be a good intermediate step between warning and banning, and I think it'd be hilarious.
posted by BrotherCaine at 2:51 AM on July 1, 2007


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