NOOOOOOOOOO August 30, 2007 11:45 PM   Subscribe

"You hit your favorite limit for the day." When did this happen? What's the limit? Anybody got anything to do away with the shakes?
posted by tehloki to MetaFilter-Related at 11:45 PM (181 comments total) 7 users marked this as a favorite

Step 1 is admitting that you have a problem.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 11:54 PM on August 30, 2007 [1 favorite]


YESSSS!!!
posted by wendell at 11:55 PM on August 30, 2007


OH NOES!
posted by gomichild at 11:56 PM on August 30, 2007


Did I get your last one?!? Can you take it back and re-allocate it? Feel free to mess with my feelings.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 11:57 PM on August 30, 2007 [2 favorites]


What has two thumbs and has a limit on favorites?

This sky.
posted by frecklefaerie at 11:59 PM on August 30, 2007


Favorites: 8393

You hit your favorite limit for the day your $5.
posted by DaShiv at 12:03 AM on August 31, 2007 [4 favorites]


My favorite limit? There are so many...
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:03 AM on August 31, 2007 [4 favorites]


Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens;
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens;
Brown paper packages tied up with strings;
These are a few of my favorite things.
posted by wendell at 12:04 AM on August 31, 2007


It's probably like the Comcast bandwidth limit. It's there, but no one will say what it is.
posted by pjern at 12:07 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Cream-colored ponies and crisp apple strudels;
Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles;
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings;
These are a few of my favorite things.
posted by wendell at 12:11 AM on August 31, 2007


This requires empirical research. Everyone start favoriting each of my comments from past history. Keep track of how many you have favorited, and maybe we'll get a rough estimate of what the number is. Then we can make a chart.
posted by Mister Cheese at 12:13 AM on August 31, 2007


Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes;
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes;
Silver-white winters that melt into springs;
These are a few of my favorite things.
posted by wendell at 12:14 AM on August 31, 2007


/forgot to add: favorite until you reach your favoriting limit and report back.

Though it'd probably be more effective to wait for a new day and keep track how many favorites you make until you hit the limit.

Or you could ask an admin.
posted by Mister Cheese at 12:15 AM on August 31, 2007


When the dog bites,
When the bee stings,
When I'm feeling sad,
I simply remember my favorite things,
And then I don't feel so bad.
posted by wendell at 12:18 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


*kills wendell, goes to see if his profile page has been updated as 'deceased'*
posted by taz at 12:19 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


Did you know when you go
It's the perfect ending
To the bad day I was just beginning
When you go all I know is
You're my favorite mistake
posted by wendell at 12:23 AM on August 31, 2007


/puts on dress made out of curtains.
posted by SassHat at 12:29 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


/puts on dress made of wendell
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 12:33 AM on August 31, 2007 [7 favorites]


/stings dog
/bites bee
posted by felix betachat at 12:36 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


/calls that dude Rolf, tells him where they're hiding
posted by bunglin jones at 12:41 AM on August 31, 2007 [5 favorites]


My Favorite
posted by wendell at 12:44 AM on August 31, 2007


It is currently set higher than the number of comments in this thread so far, anyway...
posted by Jon Mitchell at 12:48 AM on August 31, 2007


Then we need more comments!
posted by wendell at 12:51 AM on August 31, 2007


Lots more comments!
posted by wendell at 12:51 AM on August 31, 2007


Naah, you missed a few.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 12:52 AM on August 31, 2007




We can't limit tehloki's favorites! His random multiple-favoriting is the only thing standing between me and the depressive void of "no one listens to me" nothingness!
posted by amyms at 1:16 AM on August 31, 2007 [8 favorites]


so favorites are a limited commodity now? Does that mean that they're worth more?

Can I redeem mine for cash and prizes?
posted by Avenger at 1:21 AM on August 31, 2007


I'm putting my favorites on eBay.
posted by fandango_matt at 1:23 AM on August 31, 2007


Can I redeem mine for cash and prizes?

For cash no, for delicious beverages, yes.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 1:26 AM on August 31, 2007


If tehloki hit the limit, it's too low. It's cramping his style.

also, I'm still wishing on 1k by 9/6, nobody's gon' break my stride, nobody's gon slow me down whoa-no
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:28 AM on August 31, 2007 [7 favorites]


JESUS CHRIST, COULD WE MANAGE ONE SERIOUS CONVERSATION IN THIS PLACE? HUH? FLARGH.
posted by chrismear at 1:33 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


So are we going to use the Pepsi Blue as the Universal Beverage Unit? With Coffee rated at 5 PBs, Latte at 10 PBs, Beer at 10-25 (depending on rand) and martinis shaken not stirred at 0070...

On this scale, where do we put Rich Chocolate Ovaltine?
posted by wendell at 1:36 AM on August 31, 2007


JESUS CHRIST, COULD WE MANAGE ONE SERIOUS CONVERSATION IN THIS PLACE? HUH? FLARGH.

Maybe, but no way is it gonna be this one.
posted by wendell at 1:38 AM on August 31, 2007 [7 favorites]


And has anyone ever told you that you have the cutest Flargh?
posted by wendell at 1:40 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


posted by chrismear JESUS CHRIST, COULD WE MANAGE ONE SERIOUS CONVERSATION IN THIS PLACE?

Jesus is always in the mood for a serious conversation. The question is, are you ready for a serious conversation with Jesus?
posted by fandango_matt at 1:42 AM on August 31, 2007 [9 favorites]


Sooo.... Can we just skip to the chase and remove the display of favorite counts already? Or do we have to go through the weeks and months of watching the "cult of favorites" sideshow.
posted by Rhomboid at 2:02 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Maybe somebody needs to explain again why favorites are a problem for us in any way other than creating too much fussy/navel-gazing MeTa content (this week especially), because I don't really get it, and meaningless as interstingness/popularity among mefites is, it remains a metric I can comprehend and therefore take an interest in.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:06 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


Sooo.... Can we just skip to the chase and remove the display of favorite counts already? Or do we have to go through the weeks and months of watching the "cult of favorites" sideshow.

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but favorites do serve a pretty useful function: letting everyone know what the MeFi hivemind finds funny/insightful/helpful, etc. Its a way to applaud someone over the internet, basically.

What we really need is a "Stupid" [-] button so we can point out the useless comments just as easily.
posted by Avenger at 2:14 AM on August 31, 2007 [5 favorites]


If you're going to limit favorites, do it right. Allow each person a total of just 100 favorites to assign. If you wanted to favorite something after that, you would first have to go back and unfavorite something from your first 100.
posted by pracowity at 2:23 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


The site seemed to work pretty well for the first seven years prior to having a little approval rating next to every comment and post. We had funny and insightful comments then too, and it was pretty easy to spot them without visual aids.

The cult of favorites leads to people being doucebags to the tune of "more of my posts have been favorited than yours so therefore I think it's pretty clear that I know what makes a good post, and this post is obviously (good|bad)" or "I have a higher ratio of favorites to comments so I'm a more prominent member."
posted by Rhomboid at 2:24 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Its a way to applaud someone over the internet, basically.

I think it's fine for all posts, and for Ask Mefi comments (since it might give the OP some insight on what people agree with).

The comments in the Blue, however, don't need to show it. It's just made this place a popularity contest, where the more prolific posters are obviously the winners.

I'm also going to derail and suggest we change all user links to the metafilter.com/username/whatever format. A lower user ID gives you indie cred, but not much else.
posted by spiderskull at 2:26 AM on August 31, 2007


STFU n00b.

And now, a three-digit slapdown in 5, 4, 3...
posted by DaShiv at 2:33 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


The cult of favorites leads to people being doucebags to the tune of "more of my posts have been favorited than yours so therefore I think it's pretty clear that I know what makes a good post, and this post is obviously (good|bad)" or "I have a higher ratio of favorites to comments so I'm a more prominent member."

This isn't really such a prominent attitude, nor a respectable one, is it? If people want to brag about how many beanie babies they have, fucking let 'em.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:35 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


If the attitude was not prominent then why did we just go through a huge 378 comment circle jerk of a thread where everybody had to compute and compare their ratios? Or this 339 comment callout that is based in part on the statement "more than 10 percent of my posts have been favorited by others". I just can't see this kind of crapulence decreasing, it seems to be on the rise and getting worse and worse.
posted by Rhomboid at 2:42 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


If you don't like the threads about Favorites, STAY OUT OF THEM. That's why we have MetaTalk, to have a separate and non-equal place for this kind of discussion. PARTICIPATION IS NOT REQUIRED. Let the people who play the Favorites Game play the Favorites game while you find something better to do than whatever it is you THINK you're doing.
posted by wendell at 3:12 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


And Rhomboid, I've favorited all your posts both in the Blue and the Gray, even though 3 of your 5 MetaTalk posts are mean-spirited crap. In fact, I think I'll use up all my Favorites for the day on the Fave Haters in this thread... Enjoy!
posted by wendell at 3:22 AM on August 31, 2007


DaShiv: STFU n00b.
(sorry I took so long, but this pesky little Rhomboid was bothering me)
posted by wendell at 3:26 AM on August 31, 2007


I use my own favorites as bookmarks, not as love taps. I would be overwhelmed with a feeling of responsibility if my favorites were supposed to be construed as votes of approval for good or clever posts or remarks - I wouldn't be able to keep up, and wouldn't use them at all.

I use other people's favorites as breadcrumb trails to especially interesting/active posts and/or comments.

I see posts and comments in metatalk all the time that equate favorites with popularity, which may be the case, but I resist it. I think that the idea, as it was intended, is valuable and useful, and I hate to see things stripped away because of abuse by the few. We've lost user-designed profile pages, img tag, open threads... pretty much everything that can be abused in any way, and it's usually due to a tiny percent of the user base.

At this point, in a war between banning/time-outs and reducing everything to the most kindergarten-maturity-level possible, I'm going to have to go for bannings or time-outs to keep the site from resembling a playpen of brain-damaged infants monitored by weary caregivers.
posted by taz at 3:29 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


If I recall, we lost the img tag due to a potential security exploit that had not been done by anybody at this site. Some folks believe that was a convenient excuse by the site's management to save them the trouble of cleaning up after pissing elephants. But I choose to avoid that kind of cynicism myself.
posted by wendell at 3:38 AM on August 31, 2007


And, for the record, I believe that setting an upper limit for the number of favorites a user can make per day is a brilliant way to handle the "favorites abuse" issue, and should pretty much solve that problem. And tehloki bringing it to MetaTalk the moment he discovered he was affected by it is one of the funniest things I've seen here in a long time. So let's drop the hand-wringing "will this ruin MetaFilter" crap so that we can return this thread to the "My Favorite Martian" retrospective it is truly meant to be.
posted by wendell at 3:49 AM on August 31, 2007


If I recall, we lost the img tag due to a potential security exploit that had not been done by anybody at this site. Some folks believe that was a convenient excuse by the site's management to save them the trouble of cleaning up after pissing elephants. But I choose to avoid that kind of cynicism myself.

Yes, exactly. I do believe that img was stripped because of the goofy "let's flood this post with images" thing more than the possible security considerations. It was nearing the point where anyone could start that kind of flooding in any post at all, in MeTa or MeFi, just by arbitrarily starting it, and a certain contingent would just follow along.

Up until a certain point in the history of the site, the image bomb was particular and kind of meant something when it happened, functioning as both steam valve and social monitoring, but that became subsumed by "look-at-me-I'm-cool" go-along acting out.
posted by taz at 3:54 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


this may be one of the stupidest things matt has
yet another example of mefi moderator nannyism
named them erroneously then complains when they are used as named
tail wags dog at mefi film at eleven

OH FUCK IT
posted by quonsar at 4:07 AM on August 31, 2007 [5 favorites]


MetaFilter: became subsumed by "look-at-me-I'm-cool" go-along acting out.

Forgive me. It had to be done.
posted by mmahaffie at 4:12 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


MetaFilter: Look At Me, I'm Cool.
posted by fandango_matt at 4:16 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Look, no one is going to want to buy the ice cream store if you keep giving the popsicles away for free.
posted by psmealey at 4:21 AM on August 31, 2007


I'm weary of beating my drum. This is addressing symptoms, not creating solutions. Congrats on your short-sighted, causes-as-many-problems-as-it-addresses "fix" to the issue that is tangential to the problem. Perhaps Congress is the next step?
posted by absalom at 4:29 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


I thought we'd agreed Meatbomb has the most prominent member?
posted by Abiezer at 4:34 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Actually, this seems like a good solution. Now that folks have a limited number, they'll be less inclined to use them carelessly.
posted by fandango_matt at 4:38 AM on August 31, 2007


Fortunately for you, tehloki, I've invented a device that should take care of this problem. Carry one of these things around with you, and any time someone says something you enjoy, just mash the big "+" button as hard and as rapidly as you can.

It also has a bonus function where you can enter the number "80085," and it kind of looks like "BOOBS."
posted by Greg Nog at 4:51 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


*gasps*

ok, it's all sorted now. i'll just adjust...AUf : USf = 1 : 0.82

oh, shit. he's canadian.
posted by UbuRoivas at 4:52 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Actually, this seems like a good solution. Now that folks have a limited number, they'll be less inclined to use them carelessly.

A solution in search of a problem. What's wrong with people using "favorites" carelessly? I notice mathowie has almost 2000 bookmarks on del.icio.us. Has he been using them too carelessly?

The only problem was people crapflooding, so this "solution" is not a good one if it impedes the use of regular users.
posted by grouse at 5:07 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


I say we just rename them "bookmarks".
posted by flabdablet at 5:33 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


Here's my beef. When you notice somebody's profile (that's right, StalkFilter) has favorites, but a relatively low amount, it is always fun to go through and read them because, hey, you know they were saving them for the really good shit. Now, if they are commodified, this presents two problems that will result in normalization. First, outliers like tehloki (still love ya, buddy) will be less...outliery, thus harder to distinguish. Secondly, because of a new "value" that comes with the commodification, maybe people who were saving the favorites for bookmarks for awesome shit will start doling them out as "good job" slaps on the ass.

Therefore, I find myself opposed to Operation: Make tehloki Cry.
posted by GooseOnTheLoose at 5:41 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


the perfect mefi will ultimately evolve into a site to which nobody can post, nobody can comment, has no content and which enforces time and page load limits in case anybody would have the temerity to visit anyway. then jesstexahowie will gaze lovingly at it and know that it is good.
posted by quonsar at 5:43 AM on August 31, 2007 [4 favorites]


I do believe that img was stripped because of the goofy "let's flood this post with images" thing more than the possible security considerations.

Wow. Even MeFi has conspiracy theories.
posted by smackfu at 5:45 AM on August 31, 2007


yes, because as one can see, every other site on the world wide web has prohibited the image tag since the discovery of this horrible security flaw.
posted by quonsar at 5:47 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Well, I blame that one guy who kept posting an exploit in response to everything Matt did to fix it. I probably would have just banned that guy.
posted by smackfu at 5:50 AM on August 31, 2007


If the attitude was not prominent then why did we just go through a huge 378 comment circle jerk of a thread where everybody had to compute and compare their ratios? Or this 339 comment callout that is based in part on the statement "more than 10 percent of my posts have been favorited by others". I just can't see this kind of crapulence decreasing, it seems to be on the rise and getting worse and worse.

It was amusing?

We like circle jerks, because they permit everyone to both circle and jerk.

You may be taking this crapulence and your perceptions of its escallating power too seriously.
posted by desuetude at 5:54 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


The limit is 100 a day right now. That's 36,500 per year. It's asily tweakable and could easily be 250 or whatever. As it is this will affect maybe one or two users and stop the "let's have a Meta thread where everyone favorites everyone" crapfloods. I'm sorry you were one of those people tehloki.

The issue wasn't so much that people favorite too much but that for people who pay attention to what of theirs has been favorited, their "favorited" queue filled up with a bunch of noise if they participated in certain MeTa threads. Also we had people setting up sock puppets to do nothing but favorite every single post or comment they looked at. This alone led to people sending "wtf is up with that guy" emails and the like and we wanted to find a way to minimize that. This was the first solution we hit on and it's been a few days.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:54 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Hrm.

My vote, not that I have one, would be to limit favouriting to threads rather than comments. Bookmark function yes, popularity function lessened.
posted by gaspode at 5:57 AM on August 31, 2007


we had people setting up sock puppets to do nothing but favorite every single post or comment they looked at

Jesus, some people are fucking idiots. This is a good solution to a new problem caused by a few idiots, and shouldn't have an impact on anyone else.

Stop whining, quonsar. This time they're right.
posted by mediareport at 6:11 AM on August 31, 2007


This is stupid. Please just suppress the display of "x favorites" beside comments. It's ugly, it's contentious, it's being abused, and it's contrary to the essentially flat nature of mefi threads that I have always appreciated.
posted by Wolfdog at 6:13 AM on August 31, 2007


Hey quonsar, where did the pictures in your profile go?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 6:14 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


Q: You like favorites? You are a person who likes the favorites that we are currently favoriting?
A: Yes! I like favorites!
Q: You like favorites! In fact, you are a person who likes favorites as much as a wendell likes mailbombs!
A: YES I LIKE FAVORITES AS IF IT WENDELL'S MAILBOMB!! TELL ME MORE ABOUT IT!
Q: Can't, you're reached your limited.

shamelessly cribbed from another post, which I can't find, even though I favorited it, 'cause wading through favorities to find a particular one is kinda difficult.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:16 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Also we had people setting up sock puppets to do nothing but favorite every single post or comment they looked at.

Favoriting your own posts is like when I sneak in and write "four panels is so awesome" on the chalkboard between classes.

It's textbook lame.
posted by four panels at 6:24 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Do new accounts have a delay before they can favorite things?
posted by smackfu at 6:29 AM on August 31, 2007


ach, you're=you've

Also, here's the original post. Interestingly, the comment says I favorited it, back on June 22nd, but it doesn't appear in the Comment Favorites list.

How are favorites organized anyway? Seems kinda haphazard.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:30 AM on August 31, 2007


Congrats on your short-sighted, causes-as-many-problems-as-it-addresses "fix" to the issue that is tangential to the problem. Perhaps Congress is the next step?

YES! FINALLY!

/me removes my Clothes and prepares for vigorous and repeated Bouts of Congress
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:30 AM on August 31, 2007 [4 favorites]


Congrats on your short-sighted, causes-as-many-problems-as-it-addresses "fix" to the issue that is tangential to the problem.

It annoys one user. Hyperbole much?
posted by smackfu at 6:32 AM on August 31, 2007


Not only is gaming the favorites digg-like and hostile to my work environment, it cheapens my 62% favorites ratio.

Sort of like when the GOP congress impeached Clinton - it tarnished the value of a real impeachment, so that now any attempt to impeach the sitting President will be viewed with suspicion.
posted by four panels at 6:33 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


spiderskull: I'm also going to derail and suggest we change all user links to the metafilter.com/username/whatever format. A lower user ID gives you indie cred, but not much else.

Not all usernames can be converted to a URL string. Cue quonsar, "Whose grand idea was it to allow freeform usernames?!" +fuck +goddamn +tinsnips -CAPS
posted by carsonb at 6:35 AM on August 31, 2007


He’s screwin’ us into slavery by using the favorites as a weapon to break our ass down! And… and our defenses, I mean we're wide open. With a favorite all up in your post, man you don’t have no defenses!
posted by and hosted from Uranus at 6:36 AM on August 31, 2007


A lower user ID gives you indie cred, but not much else.

I would say that too if I was a 28ker.
posted by smackfu at 6:38 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


What an asinine solution. A more obvious solution, and one that would do away with the "wtf is up with this guy favoriting everything" is to make favorites invisible, like flags are. This would also (more importantly) put an end to the perception that favorites are signs of approval.

This blunt-force solution reminds me of the taking-away-the-image-tag solution, too--both are the kind of solution to a problem that you'd expect from a terrible elementary school teacher who's incapable of lateral thinking.
posted by interrobang at 6:39 AM on August 31, 2007 [10 favorites]


Those pesky, trouble-makin' newbies!
posted by h00py at 6:40 AM on August 31, 2007


The limit is 100 a day right now. That's 36,500 per year. It's asily tweakable and could easily be 250 or whatever. As it is this will affect maybe one or two users and stop the "let's have a Meta thread where everyone favorites everyone" crapfloods.

You can still favourite 100 posts in one go, though, so it doesn't really solve the problem. I'd think doing it over a shorter time period (10 per hour, 2 per 5 mins, whatever) so you have to invest time in doing it would be a better bet, and would effect legitimate favouriters less.
posted by cillit bang at 6:43 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


My favorite limit is the maximum nonrotating mass which can be supported against gravitational collapse by electron degeneracy pressure. It makes me feel warm.

Jokes for nerds.
posted by Plutor at 6:45 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


A more obvious solution, and one that would do away with the "wtf is up with this guy favoriting everything" is to make favorites invisible, like flags are.

More obvious maybe, but a lot more contentious. Lots of people use that little thing, even if you do not. In contrast, limiting the daily favorites basically affects no one. No one noticed except the guy with 9000 favorites. People are just arguing against it on principle.
posted by smackfu at 6:47 AM on August 31, 2007


Maybe we could develop an algorithm that would automatically figure out what we should be favoriting, and add those as favorites, instead of us actually expressing any opinions on what is good or bad.

AGAINST: Arbitrary limits
PRO: Image tag
posted by blue_beetle at 6:55 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Lots of people use that little thing, even if you do not.

Use it for what? To confirm that the comment they're favoriting is already popular?

I favorite stuff that I think is funny or interesting all the time; I "use" it. I don't need to see how many other people agree with me.

I also think that seeing them is a visual distraction, but maybe that's just me.
posted by interrobang at 6:56 AM on August 31, 2007


People are just arguing against it on principle.

Innn.... terrrrrrrr..... nnnnnet, you calls this?
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 6:56 AM on August 31, 2007


So many comments and posts get between 1 and 10 favorites, I don't even see the numbers anymore. My eye automatically filters out the numbers of favorites beside things, unless it is startlingly high. And I'm really glad when I DO notice, because sometimes I'm just skimming and would probably have missed something really important.

The usage and meaning of favorites has definitely evolved since it started. It's smoothing out, as if in a rock tumbler, and I think it's interesting. What hasn't smoothed out is people's need to bitch bitch bitch. Which is part of what I love about y'all, but seriously, my wine headache compels me to ask you to please keep it down.
posted by hermitosis at 6:59 AM on August 31, 2007


You know why the old skools don't like favorites? Because the old skools aren't funny or intelligent, but before favorites, everyone listened to what they said because they were "prominent". Nowadays, there is an easy metric to determine whether a lot of people thought that your comment or post was funny or intelligent: people tell you so. Now there isn't some secret unspoken code involving low numbers to indicate who should be listened to. Now there is a little number beside every comment and post to determine what people think are good comments or posts. This is encroaching on their power base. How dare people say what they like so that others can see. People should just know that they should like certain member's posts and comments because all Mefites have liked their posts and comments since the beginning of time (2001) and that is the way it should always be. Actually having to earn people's approval is not something that you want to have to do once you have taken it for granted.

That being said, the majority of things that are favorited (other than my comments/posts) are very lowest common denominator, i.e. a sci-fi reference, a bushbash, a nerd in-joke. However, my point stands.
posted by ND¢ at 7:01 AM on August 31, 2007 [8 favorites]


There's not that much good stuff.
posted by mattbucher at 7:01 AM on August 31, 2007


This sucks. I love getting favourited by tehloki. It's what I live for.
posted by chunking express at 7:08 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


FYI matt or pb

When you try to favorite a comment on the page that lists all of the users comments (e.g. http://www.metafilter.com/activity/1/comments/mefi/), instead of "You have reached your comment limit for the day" it just hangs on "Adding".
posted by davey_darling at 7:11 AM on August 31, 2007


Jeez, Wendell, if you're going to do it, do it right. :-)

Raindrops on roses [1 favorite] and whiskers on kittens [1 favorite];
Bright copper kettles [1 favorite] and warm woolen mittens [1 favorite];
Brown paper packages tied up with strings [1 favorite];
These are a few of my favorite things.

Cream-colored ponies [1 favorite] and crisp apple strudels [1 favorite];
Doorbells [1 favorite] and sleigh bells [1 favorite] and schnitzel with noodles [1 favorite];
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings [1 favorite];
These are a few of my favorite things.

Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes [1 favorite];
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes [1 favorite];
Silver-white winters that melt into springs [1 favorite];
These are a few of my favorite things.

When the dog bites [Flagged],
When the bee stings [Flagged],
When I'm feeling sad [Flagged],
I simply remember my favorite things,
And then I don't feel so bad.
posted by WCityMike at 7:28 AM on August 31, 2007 [7 favorites]


I suggest an additional interface feature called "blammo", note it next to the favorite + with an "*". Here's the thing, MAKE SURE IT DOES NOTHING AT ALL. Invite everyone to test it and make a permanent sidebarred open thread to discuss all issues -technical and social- related to the blammo. This would be the metafilter equivalent of those mini-vans with seatback dvd players so your kids will SHUT THE FUCK UP for five seconds so you can do your best not to slam the car into an oncoming semi just to get a moments peace.
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:34 AM on August 31, 2007 [5 favorites]


Mmmmmm. Beans.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 7:35 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Favorites are pretty much useless for what they were originally intended for, aren't they?
posted by empath at 7:39 AM on August 31, 2007


Yeah and astronauts don't drink tang anymore, but it sure is delicious.
posted by ND¢ at 7:44 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


So the limit is 100? And certain persons can't deal with that "limit?" WTF?? If 100 comments and/or posts leapt off the screen and performed fellatio on me, I STILL wouldn't favorite all of them.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 7:44 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Favorites are pretty much useless for what they were originally intended for, aren't they?

Nope.
posted by desuetude at 7:44 AM on August 31, 2007


It's not an attempt to fix the favorites system fundamentally, it's an experiment to address a specific issue we've just been having. We'll see how it goes—hearing that is has actually and practically affected one user is useful, and not hearing a chorus of violent Me Too!s suggests that it's not actually hamstringing use of the feature in general, which is good.

It's not intended as a panacea, it's just something we're trying.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:44 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


It has actually and practically affected me too. tehloki frequently favorites many of my comments and it saddens me to think that he will have to favorite fewer because of this.

Has anyone noticed how much less of "this comment wins the thread" there has been since the favoriting system came into vogue? I think this is a good thing. Let people express which comments they appreciate in this small way or it's going to start interfering with the conversation again.
posted by grouse at 7:48 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


We need a countdown so that I know when I can favorite again. I mean, is it 24 hours from the last of the 100 favorites, or the first, or what? Is it 100 a day, so I can just start again at midnight? These important questions need answers!

Note: These important questions do not need answers.
posted by graventy at 7:50 AM on August 31, 2007


Please just suppress the display of "x favorites" beside comments. It's ugly, it's contentious, it's being abused, and it's contrary to the essentially flat nature of mefi threads that I have always appreciated.

Hear hear. I agree completely.

And if that's too controversial for the favorite whores, then I support changing it to "bookmarks."
posted by CunningLinguist at 7:54 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Favorites are pretty much useless for what they were originally intended for, aren't they?

What were they originally intended for? Personally I like them, mainly for the Popular link. Granted, a lot of the time, the most favorited items are AskMe/chatfilter questions, but frequently there are stunning, insightful and otherwise creative comments that I missed during the normal run of things.

Then again, maybe I could just as easily link to robocop is bleeding's user page for those.
posted by psmealey at 7:55 AM on August 31, 2007


I bet it's 24 hours for each favourite. So if you favourited something at 2 AM, now you have to get up at 2AM every morning, otherwise you will lose favourites that you could have had over time! Hope you kept good notes.
posted by anaelith at 7:56 AM on August 31, 2007


Boy, I gotta say, props to tehloki for finding this. Running into the 100-favorite limit per day... that's dedication.

I bet when they chose that number, it was designed to be wildly high, so that no normal user would ever run into it. Boy, tehloki showed them.

I have this image of a wild-eyed guy with a jittery mouse finger from way, way too much coffee. :)
posted by Malor at 8:15 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Not all usernames can be converted to a URL string.

For example?
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:26 AM on August 31, 2007


I like this change as it makes the favourites I have more valuable.

So when the revolution comes, my stockpile of favourites will keep me going for years.
posted by GuyZero at 8:33 AM on August 31, 2007


I say we get rid of the exact number and change it to:

"1 favorite"
"2 favorites"
"many"
"lots"
posted by Deathalicious at 8:34 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


"Double Kill"
"Multi Kill"
"Mega Kill"
"Ultra Kill"
"Monster Kill"
posted by ND¢ at 8:39 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


If you don't like the threads about Favorites, STAY OUT OF THEM. That's why we have MetaTalk, to have a separate and non-equal place for this kind of discussion. PARTICIPATION IS NOT REQUIRED

The thing I have a problem with is not the MeTa threads, it's the attitude expressed in the MeTa threads -- the obsession with stats and scoring. My not reading those threads doesn't mean that the attitude goes away, as people will still rush in to make silly jokey frist prost comments all across the site in order to be favewhores. And the attitude of "don't like MeTa? stay out" is contradictory because MetaTalk is supposed to be the place where we collectively drive the future development of this site. The whole reason it exists is to express approval or disapproval of policy, so "don't bitch in MeTa if you don't like it" is pretty silly.

I think that the idea, as it was intended, is valuable and useful, and I hate to see things stripped away because of abuse by the few. We've lost user-designed profile pages, img tag, open threads... pretty much everything that can be abused in any way, and it's usually due to a tiny percent of the user base.

Don't misunderstand my intent. All I'm seeking is that we remove the display of favorite totals from profile pages and next to posts and comments. That doesn't in any way affect the ability to use them as bookmarks of things to check out later, as originally designed. Nor does it remove the ability to see what other people are favoriting. There's even nothing wrong with continuing to have the "most favorited posts/comments in the last 24 hours/week" pages in order to keep tabs on the MeFi zeitgeist, just don't display the totals.
posted by Rhomboid at 8:41 AM on August 31, 2007


not hearing a chorus of violent Me Too!s

I read that as MeTools, and thought cortex was coining a new word for assholes on MeTa.

I still think that's a far better reading of his comment.
posted by djgh at 8:50 AM on August 31, 2007


For example?

Jeez, you're gonna make me search my email for that one I sent to Jessamyn ages ago...OK...here ya go: c:\awesome. The FAQ language is not as clear as it could be on this topic.
posted by carsonb at 8:54 AM on August 31, 2007


someone might do something. really, they might.
posted by quonsar at 8:54 AM on August 31, 2007


posted by taz I hate to see things stripped away because of abuse by the few. We've lost user-designed profile pages, img tag, open threads... pretty much everything that can be abused in any way

September 11 changed everything.
posted by fandango_matt at 8:57 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


also, I'm still wishing on 1k by 9/6, nobody's gon' break my stride, nobody's gon slow me down whoa-no

BINGO.

You like me, you really like me!
I'd like to thank the moderators, without whom this would never be possible, contraption, who always vets my comments for lollability when I need him to, and of course, my fans, especially loquacious who seems to think I eat god kebabs at snacktime and shit win. I'd like to say a few things about a terrible affliction our country has turned a blind eye to, mesothelioma...
*orchestra begins playing*
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:00 AM on August 31, 2007 [5 favorites]


it's the attitude expressed in the MeTa threads -- the obsession with stats and scoring.

Most of what I read here and elsewhere suggests that the obsession with NOT permitting the ability to score or count is a much stronger fetish than the one possessed by those who DO favor stats and scoring.
posted by psmealey at 9:03 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


I really, really hope that you don't remove the count of favorites that each comment has gotten. Many times I find myself searching for the word "favorite" to skip through a thread and find the most interesting comments. That's a really valuable feature to me.

I think I like Rhomboid's solution here: Remove the totals from user profiles, but keep the favorites as-is on the comment threads. It eliminates the "my favorite count is bigger than yours" contest while keeping the usefulness of favorites in navigating long comment threads.
posted by JDHarper at 9:06 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Colon and backslash could be dealt with urlencoding (%3a and %5c respectively) however it appears that the current code doesn't work with this. But what is really the problem are account names like 김치 that contain Unicode entities. I suppose you could choose a particular encoding such as UTF-8 and then urlencode that.
posted by Rhomboid at 9:07 AM on August 31, 2007


You know why the old skools don't like favorites? Because the old skools aren't funny or intelligent, but before favorites, everyone listened to what they said because they were "prominent". Nowadays, there is an easy metric to determine whether a lot of people thought that your comment or post was funny or intelligent: people tell you so. Now there isn't some secret unspoken code involving low numbers to indicate who should be listened to. Now there is a little number beside every comment and post to determine what people think are good comments or posts. This is encroaching on their power base. How dare people say what they like so that others can see. People should just know that they should like certain member's posts and comments because all Mefites have liked their posts and comments since the beginning of time (2001) and that is the way it should always be. Actually having to earn people's approval is not something that you want to have to do once you have taken it for granted.

So you, like, worshipped John Hughes movies growing up, didn't you?
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 9:12 AM on August 31, 2007


Ah, it appears that's what Firefox natively wants to do -- if you copy and paste into the URL you get http://www.metafilter.com/username/%EA%B9%80%EC%B9%98. However the server refuses this as invalid, so it looks like there would be some coding required to support this.
posted by Rhomboid at 9:13 AM on August 31, 2007


Most of what I read here and elsewhere suggests that the obsession with NOT permitting the ability to score or count is a much stronger fetish than the one possessed by those who DO favor stats and scoring.

I think that's because the new obsession with scores and stats changes the feel of the site. Those of us who liked metafilter fine before favorites arrived find it jarring and juvenile. So yeah, we might feel more strongly about it.

That said, I do like the ability to go see what the popular threads are, to find gems I've missed. But what's the point of showing how many favorites each comment gets?
Half the threads these days are littered with single favorites on nearly every comment. It's just clutter.

On preview: I'd say the exact opposite. Keep the favorite totals on profile pages - if people get off on having lots of them, let them have their fun. But keep the clutter out of the threads.

(Awesome. I just realized that in preview, the favorite counts are all gone. How nice and clean looking! Maybe we could set our user preferences to show them or not, then everyone could be happy? I really don't care if it's going on as long as I don't have to see it.)
posted by CunningLinguist at 9:15 AM on August 31, 2007


as people will still rush in to make silly jokey frist prost comments all across the site in order to be favewhores

And you think they haven't always done that? Or that they will stop doing that if we hide the favorites?

The person who gets the favorite will still see it, and that seems like it would be validation enough. (Assuming people are commenting for validation, which is an unsupported hypothesis.) Or do you want to hide it from them too, and basically remove the public nature of favorites altogether?
posted by smackfu at 9:16 AM on August 31, 2007


I think that's because the new obsession with scores and stats changes the feel of the site.

I don't know that I've ever seen a comment about favorites outside of MetaTalk. At least not enough to change "the feel of the site".
posted by smackfu at 9:17 AM on August 31, 2007


posted by taz I hate to see things stripped away because of abuse by the few. We've lost user-designed profile pages, img tag, open threads... pretty much everything that can be abused in any way

September 11 changed everything.
posted by fandango_matt at 11:57 AM on August 31


No, it was pretty much you.
posted by four panels at 9:19 AM on August 31, 2007


I like favorites. I like being able to signal agreement or praise without clogging the thread with "me too"s. I like seeing that something I wrote was considered notable enough for someone to click on.

I like having been Ambrosia Voyeur's 1001'st favorite. It makes me happy.
posted by Skorgu at 9:22 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


You know, "popularity" may be a banal evil, but it's not exactly bringing this place to the brink of suck. Having favorite totals on our user pages, or next to comments is not how we define metafilter, it's just one metric of activity within metafilter. A feature, not an ethos.

This isn't Revenge of the Nerds, This Time it's Digital; your high school memories of popularity and power aren't embedded here, even if the learn, learn, snark, next subject, eat lunch at #bunnies format does remind me of my classroom days.

The more we talk about favorites, the more important they seem, but soon enough we'll return to our regularly scheduled programming and forget there was ever a crisis. We just need a good flameout is all. (Speaking of high school...)

thanks, skorgu. I tried a little extra t see if I could do it in my first year.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 9:24 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Favorite shmavorite.
posted by kosem at 9:30 AM on August 31, 2007


So you, like, worshipped John Hughes movies growing up, didn't you?
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 12:12 PM on August 31 [+] [!]

Dear Mr. Mathowie, we accept the fact that we have to sacrifice the majority of every work day in Metafilter for whatever reason. But we think you're crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us... In the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. But what we found out is that each one of us is a nerd...and a nerd...and a nerd...a nerd...and a nerd. Does that answer your question? Sincerely yours, the Mefi Club.
posted by ND¢ at 9:35 AM on August 31, 2007 [5 favorites]


Metafilter: jarring and juvenile
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:36 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


wendell writes "I believe that setting an upper limit for the number of favorites a user can make per day is a brilliant way to handle the 'favorites abuse' issue, and should pretty much solve that problem. And tehloki bringing it to MetaTalk the moment he discovered he was affected by it is one of the funniest things I've seen here in a long time."

How could you say that before you knew what the limit was?

KevinSkomsvold writes "If 100 comments and/or posts leapt off the screen and performed fellatio on me, I STILL wouldn't favorite all of them."

What browser are you using, it appears to be a lot more, uh, full featured than Firefox.
posted by Mitheral at 9:46 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


One is forced to wonder what quonsar--who is apparently still hilarious!--would do with his time if Metafilter wasn't around to complain about.
posted by Skot at 9:59 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


who is apparently still hilarious

quonsar: as hilarious now as he ever was.
posted by dersins at 10:05 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


The FAQ language is not as clear as it could be on this topic.

Almost nothing in the whole wide world is as clear as it could be. I fixed the faq for this.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:18 AM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Almost nothing in the whole wide world is as clear as it could be.

Ain't it the truth. I'm sorry my previous statement made you out as the culprit of that; I know that the email I referenced before wasn't exactly crystal clear either. I'm sure it didn't make writing the caveat any easier, since I didn't point out the problem very well to begin with. The edit is like a clear cool mountain pool. Thanks.
posted by carsonb at 10:25 AM on August 31, 2007


Someone already said this, but for me the primary usefulness of favorites is when I'm scrolling through a long thread I don't have the time/interest to read completely. I read what's been favorited and get a handle on the stand-out comments. Even in threads where I read everything, it's interesting to see what comments are getting reactions from others. If changing the name to "bookmarks" keeps this functionality and gets rid of the popularity contest stuff, that's cool with me, but I doubt it would work. We'd just have people competing for the most bookmarks. And that's only a few people anyway, and they can be ignored when they get annoying.

Please favorite this.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 10:31 AM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


KevinSkomsvold writes "If 100 comments and/or posts leapt off the screen and performed fellatio on me, I STILL wouldn't favorite all of them."

What browser are you using, it appears to be a lot more, uh, full featured than Firefox.


Ahhhpera 1.0

I expect no less than 100 favorites for my purile outburst
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 10:37 AM on August 31, 2007


I expect no less than 100 favorites for my purile outburst

-100 for misspelling "puerile."
posted by dersins at 10:54 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


Ambrosia Voyeur: "You know, "popularity" may be a banal evil, but it's not exactly bringing this place to the brink of suck. Having favorite totals on our user pages, or next to comments is not how we define metafilter, it's just one metric of activity within metafilter. A feature, not an ethos."

I just wanted to say, Ambrosia, that I agree wholeheartedly. I wanted to favorite your comment, but the irony scared me away. I despise digg and reddit because their karma methodology encourage things that are interesting to the broadest audience, instead of things that are niche and long-tail-y.
posted by Plutor at 10:58 AM on August 31, 2007


THINGS QUONSAR WOULD DO WITH HIS TIME IF METAFILTER WASN'T AROUND TO COMPLAIN ABOUT

masturbate more
enter a pick-up-sticks tournament
stalk the wild koala that lives in my crawl space
watch ceiling cat watch me masturbate more
open the box turtle
fart in the gerald r. ford presidential library and museum
fail to attend burning man
narrow my stance in the airport men's room stall
work on my hilarity quotient
skot's mom
posted by quonsar at 11:04 AM on August 31, 2007 [8 favorites]


I like favorites in their current form. I like knowing that something I've written either amused or informed other members of the community, and I like being able to scan a thread and see what comments from others have gotten the best feedback.

If this makes me a favorite whore, then I will wear the name with pride.

Though as much as I love tehloki and his favorites, I agree with the limit. Because people who favorite every comment in a thread are really just adding noise. And with the limit if I get a fav from tehloki I'll know that he really liked my comment. :)

One change I would like to see is a way to make comments more easily searchable though. It would improve the functionality of people who use the feature in it's originally intended form, as a bookmark.
posted by quin at 11:24 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


WTF?? If 100 comments and/or posts leapt off the screen and performed fellatio on me, I STILL wouldn't favorite all of them.

Me neither, but I would send them flowers and remember to call them next week.
posted by timeistight at 11:25 AM on August 31, 2007


Now there is a little number beside every comment and post to determine what people think are good comments or posts

Thank goodness. It was hard making those decisions without guidance.

I use favorites as both pats on the head and bookmarks. I like that they are fuzzily defined and I can use them for whatever. Most of my thread favorites are bookmarks, and most of my comments favorites are "stuff that made me laugh".

And I like the ego-stroking of getting favorited as much as anyone, but getting a favorite from tehloki is sorta like scoring with the last drunk girl left at the party: yeah, it's nice for a minute, but it leaves me feeling so cold and empty inside....

BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T REALLY LOVE ME *SOB*
posted by BitterOldPunk at 11:53 AM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


"open the box turtle" is my new favorite euphemism.
posted by lekvar at 12:01 PM on August 31, 2007


-100 for misspelling "puerile."

Yes. My dyslexia gets me yet again.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 12:08 PM on August 31, 2007


"open the box turtle" is my new favorite euphemism.

No, he apparently means it literally, since I saw his picture in the 10 Most Wanted List at the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Reptiles.

Not to mention the People for the ethical Treatment of Marsupials over that koala thing.
posted by wendell at 12:20 PM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


posted by four panels No, it was pretty much you.

Thank you, you're absolutely right. The image tag wasn't banned because of the animated .gif thread, or the portobello mushroom thread. I take full credit. I'm glad the image tag has been banned, and I'm proud to have contributed a positive change to MetaFilter, because someone needed to eliminate the ability for people like you to post inane, cliched, and moronic images.
posted by fandango_matt at 12:26 PM on August 31, 2007




I don't think that favorites has really changed much of anything, excepting that people might try just a bit harder to write interesting comments.

However, mentioning how much one has been favorited, in any context, is in bad taste.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:27 PM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


However, mentioning how much one has been favorited, in any context, is in bad taste.

No, when discussing what the hell they mean for our community, it's perfectly acceptable to analyze who has lots or few and why. I'm not gonna walk on eggshells and be hush-hush about a stupid number because some people want might invest their feelings in it. Enforcing those kinds of taboos is kind of puritanical, to my way of thinking.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:38 PM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


However, mentioning how much one has been favorited, in any context, is in bad taste.

Unless you're jonson.

Well, no, pretty much even if you are jonson, come to think of it.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:01 PM on August 31, 2007


I kid. Because I love.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:02 PM on August 31, 2007


Puritanical? Really? Is this National Misuse Well-Understood Words Day?

People are complaining about the distorting influences that favorites may or may not have. Having the good taste, and good sense, to not mention how many favorites one has, especially if it's a large number, is one of the ways in which the distorting influence is kept to a minimum.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 2:44 PM on August 31, 2007


At the time of this writing the number of my comments favorited by others is 1283, which jumps to 1494 if you include the 211 favorites garnered by the Be Safe And Smart On MetaFilter thread. Whee!
posted by fandango_matt at 2:49 PM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Metafilter: I eat god kebabs at snacktime and shit win.

Listen bitches, you take away the favorites and you'll get much less creative essay-length swearing from me.

And I know you want it. But do you deserve it? I'm not so sure. Tell me how naughty you've been, you filth. Beg for it. That's right, get down and grovel. Nasty, bad Mefite. Bad! *thwack*
posted by loquacious at 3:11 PM on August 31, 2007 [3 favorites]


Damn... I was hoping to beat Ambrosia Voyeur to 1000 favorites.
posted by Poolio at 3:30 PM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Puritanical.
Really.

As in "very strict in moral or religious matters, often excessively so; rigidly austere." In the sense that you are acting threatened by the fripperies and indulgences of our decadent plus signs for lollyjollies system, to the point of decrying open speech acknowledging its quantification as bad taste, even when sorting out that issue itself. Why in the world you would think it gauche, as an example, to point out that Poolio has racked up more favorites (~500) in three months than probably most users have, when musing about the nature of our community and its tastes is one of that selfsame community's greatest abilities? If it contributes to the conversation in which we explore, define and observe changes to the mainstream tendencies of this place, why disavow it as tacky?

No, that's a day you made up.

I am so, so sick of this fucking place, and hate you all so much that I am now going to run away to the jungle in Mexico. Hand-amputation tbd.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 4:32 PM on August 31, 2007


threatened by the fripperies and indulgences of our decadent plus signs for lollyjollies system, to the point of decrying open speech acknowledging its quantification

You went to college, WE GET IT, OKAY?
posted by dhammond at 4:51 PM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


Hand-amputation tbd.

This line got me thinking, when I finally flame-out (and let me assure you, it will be spectacular), I'm not going to threaten to cut off my hand. No, I'm going to go after the person who got me all riled up and threaten to cut off their hand.

Loudly. And repeatedly.

I am going to come to your house and take that fucking hand at the wrist!

It's going to be hard to use the internet with your stump!

No more jerkin' it for you when I'm done with you, lefty!


That kind of thing. I think it will be more fun for the readers.
posted by quin at 5:01 PM on August 31, 2007


Cortex wins the thread.
posted by flabdablet at 6:29 PM on August 31, 2007


The perfect mefi will actually allow exactly a unit favorite per unit time.

Lets suppose the units are 100 favorites per day. Suppose tehloki favorites 300 comments in a single day. Rather than being cut off at 100 favorites, each favorite is simply scaled by the total number of favorites in that day. In other words, each of the 300 posts tehloki favorites gets 1/3 of a favorite point.

If he only favorited 50 comments the next day, each of them would receive two favorite points.

Obviously, this will require a little more code and perhaps another handful of DB hits, but that is what computers are for, isn't it? SQL is nothing if not robust. Cold Fusion is nothing if not easy to program in.

GET TO IT!
posted by b1tr0t at 6:38 PM on August 31, 2007 [1 favorite]


I never really paid much attention to my favorite count until the recent MeTa thread about post/favorite ratios... ever since then, I've been trying to keep my percentage above 100%... so, in a way, favorites keeps me from posting crap (or at least lessens the amount of crap I post).
posted by Poolio at 6:46 PM on August 31, 2007 [2 favorites]


I'll say this for favorites, they got me through this thread. Like a goddamn fast forward button.
posted by A dead Quaker at 7:17 PM on August 31, 2007


my favorite thing
posted by vronsky at 7:38 PM on August 31, 2007


I didn't cut off my hand, but I did trim a hangnail to show my solidarity with Ambrosia Voyeur.
posted by fandango_matt at 9:36 PM on August 31, 2007


*whew*

At least there's some controversy over the 100 favorites a day limit; I was afraid you'd all come out and be all like "your favorites are bad and you should feel bad!" at me.

Something I did forget to ask... is it actually possible to unfavorite earlier comments to be able to favorite different ones, staying under 100/day? It just seems kind of disheartening; hitting the limit, then forgetting 10 minutes later and finding something that just makes my day, and finally having to go back and sort through my previously favorited posts and finding that one half-hearted favorite to get rid of it. I dunno, I guess I'll have to raise my standards for favoriting. A lot. Or browse closer to midnight so I can wait a few minutes for 100 more delicious favorites to flow in, caressing me with their wonderfulness... Or maybe start borrowing favorites from my homies... Hey man, spare a favorite? I'll do anything! I'll suck yo dick!
posted by tehloki at 12:58 AM on September 1, 2007 [3 favorites]


tehloki - I guess I'll have to raise my standards for favoriting.

But then I'll never make it to 1000. :-(
posted by Poolio at 4:02 AM on September 1, 2007


You could use your browser to bookmark the thing that you want to come back and favorite the next day. Queue 'em up. On the one hand, this sounds kind of ridiculous to me, but on the other hand it'd totally work. And on the third hand it'd display a kind of adorable dedication to the cause.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:15 AM on September 1, 2007


And the fourth hand? Oh right. Cut off at the wrist...
posted by item at 7:38 AM on September 1, 2007


is it actually possible to unfavorite earlier comments to be able to favorite different ones

have you really not noticed that the + turns into a - once you have favorited something? did you really not know you can unfave a thing as easily as you can fave it?
posted by quonsar at 8:14 AM on September 1, 2007


I'm pretty sure he means in the context of managing the count for the daily limit, q. Especially if you read his whole comment.

Short answer, tehloki: probably, but I don't know.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:18 AM on September 1, 2007 [1 favorite]


I still say anybody who favorites my comments should be taken out and SHOT.
posted by davy at 10:37 AM on September 1, 2007


"The limit is 100 a day right now. That's 36,500 per year."

Per luser? Ain't that excessive indulgence? I say limit 'em to TEN A WEEK.
posted by davy at 10:41 AM on September 1, 2007


Would you have me become bankrupt from sockpuppeting? You monster!
posted by tehloki at 12:51 AM on September 2, 2007




"the perfect mefi will ultimately evolve into a site to which nobody can post, nobody can comment, has no content and which enforces time and page load limits in case anybody would have the temerity to visit anyway. then jesstexahowie will gaze lovingly at it and know that it is good."

Don't forget: No sharp corners for people to hurt their eyes on. Hey, Matt, the text area box I'm using to write this comment right now is square. Pls add rounded corners ASAP or I will be forced to contact OSHA/ACLU/someone who gives a damn.
posted by Eideteker at 6:47 AM on September 3, 2007 [1 favorite]


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