Double bad. March 14, 2008 10:20 PM   Subscribe

I'd just like to point out the very first double mod deletion.

Congratulations guys, you're the Harlem Globe Trotters of Mefi.
posted by puke & cry to MetaFilter-Related at 10:20 PM (88 comments total)

Naw, it's just that there's this dumb hacky way we add our usernames to deletion reasons, and it's basically that I can't edit the post without adding my name to it. I didn't write the reason but I edited it after deletion to remove the douchebag's URL, so yeah my name got tacked on after cortex's.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:30 PM on March 14, 2008


I think I liked the thought of a double, simultaneous banhammering better. Shoulda let me dream...
posted by Dipsomaniac at 10:33 PM on March 14, 2008


Jesus, how fast is Google indexing stuff these days? Is it just because Deleted Threads is on Blogspot?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:35 PM on March 14, 2008


it's just that there's this dumb hacky way we add our usernames to deletion reasons

Oh, man, you should totally ban the dumbass who came up with that one.
posted by dersins at 10:35 PM on March 14, 2008


Way to kill the magic, Matt.
posted by puke & cry at 10:36 PM on March 14, 2008


"Study shows MeFi moderators consider themselves superior to self-linkers"

Also, whatever happend to a nice simple "self-link, banned". That deletion comment seems a bit harsh.
posted by Deathalicious at 10:48 PM on March 14, 2008


No deletion reason is too harsh for self-linkers.
posted by puke & cry at 10:53 PM on March 14, 2008 [5 favorites]


But... have self-links always been replaced by "example.com"or is that a new thing too?
posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 10:53 PM on March 14, 2008


This has really been the day for deleted posts, hasn't it? At least nine so far.

And given that deleted posts are always linked from elsewhere, I like the idea of changing the link. Otherwise the self-linkers would still be rewarded for their SEO activities.
posted by Class Goat at 10:57 PM on March 14, 2008


It's a new thing, but I might start doing it more in the future. The really crass self-link spammers that are in the business of spamming forums to get traffic to goose their ads don't deserve even a nofollowed link. I'd rather remove them entirely.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:57 PM on March 14, 2008 [1 favorite]




I was sort of amused at the explicit callout in the deletion reason. It will let anyone know who and why without a lot of internet-detective activity needed.
posted by pjern at 11:14 PM on March 14, 2008


Its subconscious intimidation. The goal is to deter said linker from signing up another account and doing it again. Awesome.
posted by Ironmouth at 11:16 PM on March 14, 2008


It's a new thing, but I might start doing it more in the future.

I think that's an awesome idea. No reason for self-linkers to still get even the small benefit of still being linked on a deleted page.
posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 11:28 PM on March 14, 2008


Yeah, honestly? We do this a lot. It's kind of a weird inter-mod negotiation thing: "Oh, shit, I overwrote your deletion reason..." "No, no, yours is better—" "But it was just so—" "No, really, it's for the best!"

Excruciatingly complicated, basically. Remains of the Day II: Metafilter Boogaloo.

Also, I have never, ever been to to a corporate open bar that served Macallan 25. Ho. Lee. Shit.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:34 PM on March 14, 2008 [6 favorites]


matthowie: "I get to ban him! I saw him first!"

cortex: "You *always* get to ban them! It's my turn to ban someone!"

jessamyn: "Now now boys, there's no reason you can't both ban him."
posted by tkolar at 11:48 PM on March 14, 2008 [7 favorites]


I'm just impressed that the "last comment" comment was actually the last comment.
posted by dirigibleman at 12:10 AM on March 15, 2008


The really crass self-link spammers that are in the business of spamming forums to get traffic to goose their ads don't deserve even a nofollowed link. I'd rather remove them entirely.

I'll bet you could code up something to do that whenever you delete a post.


How come the links from deletedthread don't have a no-follow? Is it because the post itself has no-index and no-follow?
posted by philomathoholic at 12:26 AM on March 15, 2008


So what will it take for the infamous triple banning? Ralph Nader signs up to link to his campaign site announcing Ron Paul as his running mate, and a health care policy written by Kaycee Nicole? Oh, and this really funny Harry Potter broomstick he saw.
posted by Gary at 12:43 AM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


This presidential candidate... it vibrates?
posted by heeeraldo at 2:11 AM on March 15, 2008


ups, bigguns, to jokeefe. Made me laugh.
posted by taz at 2:33 AM on March 15, 2008


The really crass self-link spammers that are in the business of spamming forums to get traffic to goose their ads don't deserve even a nofollowed link. I'd rather remove them entirely.

That's good, considering there's apparently a whole cadre of blogs that take the deleted detritus from Metafitler and turn them into links on their own site.

God, talk about fucking VULTURES.
posted by Dave Faris at 3:05 AM on March 15, 2008


I really resent that "fucking VULTURES" snipe, man-bird-love can be a beautiful thing and I'm sick of you aviphobic bigots implying otherwise ...
posted by zeph at 4:04 AM on March 15, 2008 [2 favorites]


Banning seems fun. I'm thinking about Mafia/Werewolf -variant Community Blog where every player can ban one member and invite back one banned or to-be-banned member, until there is only one (1) left.
posted by Free word order! at 4:17 AM on March 15, 2008


... the deleted detritus from Metafitler ...

Yeah, well, you know who else wanted to get rid of the detritus from Metafitler?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:27 AM on March 15, 2008 [4 favorites]


The old Alley-Oop! Classic team play!
posted by sourwookie at 5:58 AM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


That deletion comment seems a bit harsh.

Wow, I thought I'd seen it all, but concern for the tender feelings of spammers is a new one on me.

Also, I have never, ever been to to a corporate open bar that served Macallan 25. Ho. Lee. Shit.


This is apropos of what? And how can I sign up with this corporation?
posted by languagehat at 6:28 AM on March 15, 2008


yeah, i'm intruiged by this possibility of macallan 25 on the corporate dime. do i have to kill and eat kittens as part of this job? build orphanage-seeking missiles? or just whore myself to The Man like i'm doing anyways...
posted by rmd1023 at 7:03 AM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


The old Alley-Oop! Classic team play!

Stuff White People Like: Assists
posted by lukemeister at 7:37 AM on March 15, 2008


Remains of the Day II: Metafilter Boogaloo.

I was coming up with some kind of plot where jessamyn finally deserts her family and re-joins mathowie and cortex at the mansion to help them breakdance fight a rival aristocratic weblog, but then my brain seized up.

I'm going back to bed.
posted by cog_nate at 7:40 AM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


cortex, cog_nate,

Since Ice T was in Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo, the ads for the Mefi version should feature the mods in the layout of Power.
posted by lukemeister at 7:49 AM on March 15, 2008


Stuff White People Like: Assists

Sometimes when I see the word "assist" I wonder what "assism" is exactly, and how I, too, can become an adherent.

Then I take a second look and drop back down to earth. Cruel fate.
posted by breezeway at 7:52 AM on March 15, 2008 [3 favorites]


I don't think so, luke ... no one wants to see Matt in a outfit like the one holding the shotgun.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:00 AM on March 15, 2008 [2 favorites]


Macallan 25? So we're not in a recession? Whew. I was getting worried there with all the layoffs and my bank's bond status now being a grade above junk.

But clearly, if some corporate titan thinks a 25 year single malt is worth serving his/her employees despite the cost, then everything will be OK! I'm going to use my bribe upcoming $600 check from the guvmint to buy me some more useless junk!
posted by dw at 8:25 AM on March 15, 2008


It was actually a triple. I deleted it first. Trifecta!
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:26 AM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


This is apropos of what?

You know that old joke that ends with the Jew in the confessional saying to the priest, "I'm telling everybody!"?

So what will it take for the infamous triple banning?

For anybody wondering how, exactly, this happens collision happens:

Any given one of us finds out about a problematic post. It might be from visiting the flag queue, or from an email from someone, or a "HEY CORTEX CLEANUP IN AISLE 69903" message in irc; or it might be (as in this case) from an automatic email alert about a first post going up.

However we find out about it, one of us clicks through to the thread, checks it out, and then (presuming it need deletin'), deletes it.

If a second one of us loads the thread before the first one actually committed the deletion, the thread looks undeleted. And so the second one deletes it. And so we end up with two deletions, one overwriting the other when the hammer gets dropped.

To get the vaunted triple, we'd have to have all three mods load the thread before the first one on the scene managed to get the deletion done; all three would see an undeleted thread, all three would be in a position to go blammo thinking it still needed doing.

So what would it take?

Probably it'd be a first post -- we know about those more or less instantly, before anyone else has had a chance to react (by emailing us, or starting a metatalk thread [which we'd also get an alert for], or flagging the hell out of the thing).

Probably it'd be a really clearcut piece of crap—blatant self-link, extremely misguided attempt at a post, that sort of thing. It wouldn't require significant looking into, basically: we'd know at a glance that it had to go.

Definitely all three of us would have to see the alert at more or less the same moment; we'd have to all be at our respective computers when the mail came in. Hardly implausible, but not something that's true around the clock.

And we'd need to all decide not to refresh the thread and see if, in fact, it's been nixed already by someone else. Which isn't foolproof, because it doesn't eliminate the condition of uncertainty, but it's a hedge. Generally, we care more about getting rid of bad content than we do about not accidentally overwriting someone else's deletion reason, though, so it's not something we worry too much about.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:34 AM on March 15, 2008 [3 favorites]


(And yeah, to be clear: this was a triple. And Jessamyn's deletion reason was a little bit more conversational and metanarrative-y then the ones Matt and I went with. And the double-tagging at the end of a deletion thing like here is actually preventable if you got to some extra wonky effort to format it correctly, but to Matt's credit he's not nearly as anal about that kind of ridiculous thing as I am and so we get the duplex attribution on the final reason.

It's also evidence, as far as that goes, that in this case he went and knowingly edited, rather than race-condition overwrote, my deletion reason, so while it's literally a double-delete move it's not a comical head-bonking accidental double delete. That's what me and Jess did before he got there.)
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:38 AM on March 15, 2008 [2 favorites]


Macallan 25? So we're not in a recession?

Well, at least some parts of the finance/insurance industry are doing okay, I guess. Wife's place had its annual party, at a nice Billiards club this year. It wasn't so much that they were serving Macallan 25 so much as that it was an open bar that, unlike basically every other open bar I've been to, didn't have a stripped-down selection. They just, you know, had the bar completely open. The Mac 25 was a consolation prize, because they'd run out of Glenlivet 18. I was, in fact, consoled.

Later, I went out for a bacon maple bar.

posted by cortex (staff) at 8:42 AM on March 15, 2008


no one wants to see Matt in a outfit like the one holding the shotgun

Well, not until the philosophy of assism attracts more adherents.
posted by lukemeister at 8:42 AM on March 15, 2008


Jessamyn's deletion reason was a little bit more conversational and metanarrative-y then the ones Matt and I went with.

So it's come to this: mods deleting each other's deletion reasons.
posted by timeistight at 9:35 AM on March 15, 2008


And this is how our little world ends: a three-way banning, a circular firing squad. Altogether fitting.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 9:43 AM on March 15, 2008


So it's come to this: mods deleting each other's deletion reasons.

Well that's the weird thing, we only saw them after the fact. So we have a place where we see the other admin notes we leave each other, but I'm pretty sure cortex didn't even see what I wrote until after he'd already overwritten it in the database. Of course I got him on the chatmachine and was like "wtf yo" and he was all "cool it with the metanarrative conversation, cupcake" and mathwoie was like "quiet you two" and here we are.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:56 AM on March 15, 2008 [3 favorites]


mathwoie
"Cow orker" moment here. I said this out loud and I now realize that I will never see mathowie again without thinking of it as "math owie" (balancing my checkbook wrong?), "math wookie" (tall furry CPA?), or "math woodie" (don't go there).
posted by forrest at 10:18 AM on March 15, 2008


So when are we going to see an FPP by multiple users?
posted by jamjam at 10:32 AM on March 15, 2008


It's great that the self-linker at least took four minutes to drop some very enlightening commentary in a few threads -- comments that don't at all scream, "I'M ABOUT TO SPAM THE FRONT PAGE!"
posted by Sys Rq at 10:50 AM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


I know you mean that sarcastically, Sys Rq, but it fits the profile exactly.
posted by mumkin at 11:05 AM on March 15, 2008


Also, I have never, ever been to to a corporate open bar that served Macallan 25. Ho. Lee. Shit.

My boss at my last job took our team out to a restaurant with a nice bar as part of a team building event (expensed, in other words). When I found out that they had The Macallan 25, I told the waiter to put my bar bill on a separate tab, and had a couple of doubles (we were all drinking). My boss protested that she would be happy to pay the full tab, until I showed her the bill. At which point she thanked me for not getting her in trouble.
posted by False Dichotomy at 11:26 AM on March 15, 2008


Also - cortex: You know I love you, man, but The Mac 25 as a consolation prize for Glenlivet 18? That's just crazy talk. You're obviously working too hard.
posted by False Dichotomy at 11:29 AM on March 15, 2008


I know you mean that sarcastically, Sys Rq, but it fits the profile exactly.

Spammers have no sense of comedic timing and delivery. The proper thing to do would be to leave a comment saying "I'm NOT about the spam the front page! NO way! NOT me!" immediately before making the spammy FPP. Also, a name like "entrepreneur" is too suggestive without being explicit. Spammy McGee is the preferred handle for maximum lulz.
posted by Tehanu at 11:36 AM on March 15, 2008


I'm NOT about the spam the front page! NO way! NOT me!
posted by Spammy McGee at 11:44 AM on March 15, 2008


Actually, I think I like Spammy McPhee better. Like Archie McPhee, only more processed.
posted by Spammy McPhee at 12:00 PM on March 15, 2008


I'm NOT about the spam the front page! NO way! NOT me! [sic]
posted by Spammy McPhee at 12:01 PM on March 15, 2008


That was certainly worth the five bucks. I swear, some of you fuckers must have money growing out of your ears.
posted by puke & cry at 12:08 PM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


It was 10 bucks. Spam pays well.
posted by False Dichotomy at 12:18 PM on March 15, 2008


Sometimes when I see the word "assist" I wonder what "assism" is exactly, and how I, too, can become an adherent.

I once wondered very briefly why some document was telling me that the faculty here aren't ionized.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 12:20 PM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


It was 10 bucks.

"I am Matt C. Haughey, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht."
posted by Dave Faris at 12:31 PM on March 15, 2008


they'd run out of Glenlivet 18

Back in the late '70s I was living, broke and happy, in New Haven, working minimum wage jobs and hanging out with as worthless a collection of drunken reprobates as you'd ever hope to see. (New Haven and Inishmaan are the only two places I've had to stop and puke along the roadside as I made my way home at night from my watering hole of choice.) The most worthless and drunken of these reprobates was a fellow who went by the moniker of Snakey. One day—don't ask me how—he managed to get himself hired as a bartender at Gypsy, the grad-student bar/hangout. When he told the rest of us, we flat out refused to believe him. He was quite hurt and said to show up that evening and we'd see he was telling the truth. We duly showed up, and lo and behold, there was Snakey, resplendent in a white jacket and proud as could be. And whenever we ordered the cheap well liquor to which our wallets were suited, he gave us nice brimming glasses of Glenlivet (which was at the time the only single-malt Scotch normally available in US bars). We tipped him well. He was fired the next day.
posted by languagehat at 1:23 PM on March 15, 2008 [6 favorites]


"I am Matt C. Haughey, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht."

"The mansion was purchased from profits I made selling favorites on the black market. The yacht was entirely jokey handle purchases."
posted by Tehanu at 1:39 PM on March 15, 2008


Snakey? I heard he was dead.
posted by False Dichotomy at 1:46 PM on March 15, 2008


Remains of the Day II: Metafilter Boogaloo.

Oh man, I laughed, I cried, I wish I'd thought of it first.
posted by nola at 1:57 PM on March 15, 2008


Snakey? I heard he was dead.

I would be extremely surprised if he wasn't. I'd pour one out for him, but he'd say not to waste good liquor.
posted by languagehat at 2:04 PM on March 15, 2008


I take it they were all out of Lagavulin as well?
posted by anotherpanacea at 2:16 PM on March 15, 2008


Wah, now I want single malt and all I have is Fat Bastard.
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 2:23 PM on March 15, 2008


an automatic email alert about a first post going up.

Why dont first posts go into a limbo state like anonymous askmes?
posted by shothotbot at 2:49 PM on March 15, 2008


It was actually a triple. I deleted it first. Trifecta! posted by jessamyn
Tinker to Evers to Chance *not a Chicago Cubsist*
posted by Cranberry at 2:51 PM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


Dave Faris: "I am Matt C. Haughey, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.""

He's doing a better job than the guy with the monocle polish did.
posted by SteveTheRed at 2:52 PM on March 15, 2008


Why dont first posts go into a limbo state like anonymous askmes?

Because most of the time they're just fine, so don't fix what ain't broke, is my take on it.
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:58 PM on March 15, 2008


Well, this thread inspired me to pour myself a glass of Macallan 12. It's not 25, but whacha gonna do? Cheers, MetaTalk!
posted by painquale at 2:59 PM on March 15, 2008


I'll bet you could code up something to do that whenever you delete a post.

Or just display the example.com URL instead of the submitted one if the post has been deleted.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:03 PM on March 15, 2008


I'd love to see a Chicago Cubsist recording an assist.
posted by lukemeister at 3:07 PM on March 15, 2008


There's a poster who's sure
All he sells for is gold
But he's climbing a stairway to bannin'
When he gets done he knows
That the thread will be closed
With five bucks he can get what he came for
Ooh, ooh, and he's buying a stairway to bannin'

There's a sign on the page
That he wants to ignore
'Cause he knows it's worth the Google rankings.
On a post to the blue
There's a poster who shills,
Hoping clicks to his page will be driven.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it makes me wonder.

There's a feeling I get
When I click on the link,
And see that it's crying for flagging.
In the thread I will see
Detective Squads unleashed.
And comments of those who start flaming.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder.

If it's called out too soon
Then the flames will not bloom
Because the mods will close the damn thread down.
And the post will be locked
To the rest of our thoughts
And we won't get to tell off the spammer.

If there's a post gone from your frontpage
Don't be alarmed now
It's just a quick clean by the mod team.
Yes, they can spend the five and re-buy
But in the long run
They'll be ignored, flamed, banned and gone.
And it makes me wonder.

A good post is worthy and it won't go
In case you don't know
If posters are not a self-linker.
Dear reader, did you see that link go?
And did you know?
T'was posted by the original author.

There'll be more posts down the road
That will shill blogs that we don't know
Or try to bilk us of our dough
But we all know the quid pro quo.
How ban hammers will take their toll
While scammers will try very hard
To slip an advertisement past.
When can we be safe and know that
It is a post and not a shill.

'cuz they're buying a stairway to bannin'.

posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:35 PM on March 15, 2008 [9 favorites]


trifecta! (simulated)
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 4:39 PM on March 15, 2008 [2 favorites]


trifecta! (simulated)
posted by jessamyn


(Monty Python Bobby voice):
Right, what's all this, then?
posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 4:50 PM on March 15, 2008


I like pancakes.

A lot.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:51 PM on March 15, 2008


Another first. Baby_Balrog not only posted 2 threads in a row, but also had both of them deleted. How did that happen?
posted by puke & cry at 4:56 PM on March 15, 2008


And nevermind, because I just noticed the first post was by someone else.
posted by puke & cry at 4:57 PM on March 15, 2008


I was disappointed that there was no Holy Trinity snark on this deletion.
posted by desjardins at 5:32 PM on March 15, 2008


(Monty Python Bobby voice):
Right, what's all this, then?


Cortex's first deletion.
posted by Free word order! at 5:50 PM on March 15, 2008


I was disappointed that there was no Holy Trinity snark on this deletion.

Please turn to #1 in your MeFi Hymnal.

Holy, holy, holy! Lord mods almighty!
All users shall praise Thy Names, in blue, and grey, and green;
Holy, holy, holy; snarky-ass deletors!
Mods in three Persons, bless├Ęd Trinity!

posted by dw at 5:50 PM on March 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


UbuRoivas' profile seems to fit here (too long to post inline).
posted by desjardins at 6:48 PM on March 15, 2008


for scotch, i've found oban 14 year old to be the sweet spot for taste vs cost for cheap single malt.

i once bought a bottle of scotch with the money i'd originally planned to spend on a new couch. (there was going to be dramatic news, and i figured i could celebrate or drown my sorrows, as needed.)
posted by rmd1023 at 8:38 PM on March 15, 2008


The first triple mod deletion!
posted by Effigy2000 at 11:27 PM on March 15, 2008


Whoops. Seems I'm a bit late. Move on folks...
posted by Effigy2000 at 11:27 PM on March 15, 2008


Yay, let's hear it for internet standards! RFC2606: Reserved Top Level DNS Names. Wooooo!

Every time an RFC is used Steve Balmer breaks a chair.

Also, have a look at the four TLDs discussed in section 2. I think clubenetwork.com.invalid has a nice ring to it.
posted by ryanrs at 1:46 AM on March 16, 2008


The classic double-delete, double-reinstate, "Wait, WHAT?"
posted by steef at 8:06 AM on March 16, 2008


Can the replacement link be something more interesting than example.com? It feels kinda boring.
posted by mediareport at 8:19 AM on March 16, 2008


We should sell linking rights to deletions! High bid for the week gets all urls in deleted self-links switched to the URL of their choice. And if the whois for the self-link and the paid link match, we use a portion of the advertising revenue to pay a fucking hitman.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:29 AM on March 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


Wait wait. So after cortex overwrote jess' deletion reason, could cortex still see the previous reason? Or was the initial doubledelete/overwrite in this case intentional?
posted by Phire at 9:12 PM on March 16, 2008


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