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Telling people to fuck off is not very nice.
posted by Blazecock Pileon to Etiquette/Policy at 9:57 PM (78 comments total)

Meatbomb is quoting someone (Jean François Porchez) quoted in the linked article, and telling that person to fuck off. He's not telling a mefite to fuck off. So it's an attack on a viewpoint ("that argument is BS") more than on a person ("fuck off, ortho").

As such it's harmless. Unless we want to argue against the use of the word "fuck" (and I hope we don't), I don't see that Meatbomb is doing anything other than making the kind of forthright comment we all know and love.
posted by orthogonality at 10:05 PM on January 17, 2010 [14 favorites]


Hit us up with the soft serve, baby, I need me some DQ.
posted by carsonb at 10:06 PM on January 17, 2010


On a semi-related note, strange that this user seems to have disabled his/her account after posting in that thread.
posted by killdevil at 10:07 PM on January 17, 2010


Unless we want to argue against the use of the word "fuck" (and I hope we don't)

fuck no.
posted by special-k at 10:07 PM on January 17, 2010


We treat you right!
posted by tellurian at 10:11 PM on January 17, 2010


On a semi-related note, strange that this user seems to have disabled his/her account after posting in that thread.

So you're saying, that user, uh, fucked off?
posted by orthogonality at 10:12 PM on January 17, 2010 [3 favorites]


It's never nice, but sometimes it's fair.
posted by Mike Buechel at 10:26 PM on January 17, 2010 [5 favorites]


Beautiful Screaming Lady: Let us say that Nike shoes are sold exclusively in Nike shops. No-one else is authorised to sell Nike shoes. Adidas shoes are sold exclusively in Adidas shops. No-one else is authorised to sell Adidas shoes. In your town, which is miles from anywhere, there is one Nike shop, one Adidas shop, and one dodgy unmarked place in a back alley that stole a mixed consignment of trainers and sells them super cheap. You own two pairs of shoes. One in Nike, one is Adidas. If I ask you, the end user of the shoes, where you bought them, are you going to tell me you don't know? Are you going to tell me to fuck off?

To be honest, that's exactly what I would say. Unless you had a court order, somehow. Then I'd plead the 5th, cause, really, none of your business.

Sorry to reply to someone who closed his or her account, but this really seems like a pretty simple idea, to me.
posted by paisley henosis at 10:36 PM on January 17, 2010 [1 favorite]


Man, what's up with the allusions and references? When I see 'fuck off', I think 'fuck off'. That's just where my mind goes first. Not to, "hmm, maybe I should go read the article and find out what 'fuck off' really means here."

Either way, I wouldn't call it nice.
posted by iamkimiam at 11:01 PM on January 17, 2010 [1 favorite]


Man, the server sure is grinding tonight. Yikes! We getting DDOS'ed?
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 11:03 PM on January 17, 2010


wow. This thread could have been closed after that first comment. Boom, roasted.
posted by hal_c_on at 11:07 PM on January 17, 2010


No, pb is changing a belt.
posted by mlis at 11:19 PM on January 17, 2010


A callout over the phrase "fuck off" is posted and it's about goddamn fonts?
posted by ALongDecember at 11:25 PM on January 17, 2010 [14 favorites]


hal_c_on, the problem with that comment is that, well, it can't close. Not without a good surgeon.
posted by Ghidorah at 11:30 PM on January 17, 2010


Man, the server sure is grinding tonight. Yikes! We getting DDOS'ed?

Apparently a bunch of database indexing and sundry other optimizations and tweaks got hosed when the AskMe data loss occurred. Enjoy this small taste of Classic MeFiTM, a place where threads load so slowly that each comment must be savored like a pork shoulder slow-cooked until the meat falls right off the bone.
posted by killdevil at 11:30 PM on January 17, 2010 [3 favorites]


Yeah, I've been seeing lots of double comments.
posted by ocherdraco at 11:36 PM on January 17, 2010


A callout over the phrase "fuck off" is posted and it's about goddamn fonts?

Well, to be fair, it was a French font.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 11:42 PM on January 17, 2010 [1 favorite]


Well, if there's server trouble, I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.
posted by ALongDecember at 11:43 PM on January 17, 2010


f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f
posted by The Whelk at 12:18 AM on January 18, 2010


...fuck you!
(Turn and leave the blue)
f-f-fuck you!
Don't want to be a filter man
f-f-f-f-fuck you!
(Turn and leave the blue)
f-f-fuck you!
Just gonna have to be a different man
'bomb may flame me
But I hate font crime.
posted by UbuRoivas at 1:38 AM on January 18, 2010 [3 favorites]


Assuming fellow mefites are stupid or knee-jerk is not very nice. (Directed at user explosion, not at Blazecock.)
posted by orthogonality at 1:45 AM on January 18, 2010


Enjoy this small taste of Classic MeFiTM, a place where threads load so slowly that each comment must be savored like a pork shoulder slow-cooked until the meat falls right off the bone.

This is NOTHING like Classic MeFi. I haven't seen a JRun error all night!
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:48 AM on January 18, 2010 [1 favorite]


Y'know, I've been doing some soul-searching regarding this very issue lately, and I've come to the conclusion that niceness is vastly overrated. There is no requirement to be nice in comments here.

You're all my friends. I care about what you think. Your opinion matters to me very much. So if you say something that's ridiculous bullshit, I will say "fuck off" to you - okay? I hope everybody can deal with that. And I wish everybody could see that smiling and nodding and just saying "oh, you believe ridiculous bullshit? Okay, well, I don't mind, go ahead and have your opinion, that's okay with me" is the most obnoxious and least respectful thing you can do to somebody. It may be 'nice,' but it fucking sucks, and it's not a really human, decent way to behave.
posted by koeselitz at 3:00 AM on January 18, 2010 [8 favorites]


LEAVE MEATBOMB ALONE!!!!
posted by chillmost at 3:11 AM on January 18, 2010 [3 favorites]


koeselitz is entitled to his point of view, i suppose. no skin off my nose.
posted by UbuRoivas at 3:14 AM on January 18, 2010 [4 favorites]


I stand by my words, brother. The people who say:

"Be aware of the provenance of every file on your computer - the onus is on you to prove that all appropriate fees have been paid. When we do our random spot checks and find naughty files we will disconnect you and your family, permanently, from the Internet." (summary quotes)

Will get this response from me, when they attempt to look at my stuff or to otherwise stick their officious little noses into my business:

"Fuck off."

I do not see how the comment could be interpreted as anything other than directed at these new French Internet Police... what would you have me say to them, BP? Should I be nice to them while they inspect me and my receipts, to judge whether or not I can be connected to the Internet?
posted by Meatbomb at 3:17 AM on January 18, 2010 [1 favorite]


Fuck You
posted by P.o.B. at 3:18 AM on January 18, 2010


Couldn't you just point out that they have no jurisdiction over you?
posted by UbuRoivas at 3:19 AM on January 18, 2010


Eponysterical FAIL.
posted by i_cola at 3:21 AM on January 18, 2010


Couldn't you just point out that they have no jurisdiction over you?

Yeah, it is a rhetorical position I am taking there, UbuRoivas. There are not actually any French Internet Police here in my Korean dorm room at the moment - Golden Lucky Day!
posted by Meatbomb at 3:26 AM on January 18, 2010


what would you have me say to them, BP?
Could have at least made the effort to insult them in French, espéce de salaud.
posted by Abiezer at 3:26 AM on January 18, 2010


There are not actually any French Internet Police here in my Korean dorm room at the moment

you don't know that. unless, i suppose, you're alone in the dorm.
posted by UbuRoivas at 3:28 AM on January 18, 2010


No, Fuck You!
posted by ursus_comiter at 4:07 AM on January 18, 2010


True vulgarian.
posted by applemeat at 4:17 AM on January 18, 2010


I'm with Meatbomb on this. Oh, and Dick Cheney can just go fuck off.
posted by caddis at 4:28 AM on January 18, 2010


Not fucking nice motherfuckers.
posted by substrate at 4:30 AM on January 18, 2010




MetaFilter is not very nice.

Note: Everyone needs a hug.
posted by Faint of Butt at 4:37 AM on January 18, 2010


Fuck You

No, dad, what about YOU!
posted by Ghidorah at 4:51 AM on January 18, 2010 [1 favorite]


Well reading this was a fucking waste of my time.
posted by modernnomad at 4:59 AM on January 18, 2010


FIRETRUCK YOU!
posted by Joseph Gurl at 5:10 AM on January 18, 2010


Bunk: Awe...fuck.
McNulty: Motherfucker.
Bunk: Fuck. Fuck. Fuckin' fuck.
McNulty: Fuck.
Bunk: Mmm, fuck fuck...Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
McNulty: Fuck?
McNulty: Fuck!
McNulty: Fuck.
Bunk: Mother-Fucker!
McNulty: Awe fuck....Awe fuck.
McNulty: Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck...Fucker.
McNulty: Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
Bunk: Awe fuck.
Bunk: Mother fucker.
McNulty: Fuckin-A.
McNulty: Fuuhck.
McNulty: Motherfucker.
Bunk: Fuck Me.
posted by Elmore at 5:19 AM on January 18, 2010 [10 favorites]


Kiss my knee, muddy funster
posted by Abiezer at 5:20 AM on January 18, 2010


You're all my friends.

If you're my friend, how come you never call?
posted by JanetLand at 5:24 AM on January 18, 2010



What's a duck sucking list?
posted by Mid at 5:28 AM on January 18, 2010


Well, if there's server trouble, I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.
posted by Loto at 5:55 AM on January 18, 2010


What are you trying to hide Meatbomb ?
posted by Sailormom at 6:01 AM on January 18, 2010


I think they were using some kind of hypnosis code word there or something to achieve a mind meld.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:00 AM on January 18, 2010


That Meatbomb was responding to the article, and not a user, is basically what makes that comment okay, yes. I'm not super impressed with it, for all that, but I don't get to be super impressed by every comment on metafilter.

Chucking out a string of "fuck off"s into a comment has this flavor of aggro that I think gets people a little concerned even under the very best of conditions that someone is about to lose their shit, so I'm not surprised a few people blinked at the posturing, and Meatbomb could have managed the same sentiment with one or none of those with aplomb if he'd wanted to. I get the impression that saying "fuck off" to an absent third party a bunch of times was part of the motivation, though.

You're all my friends. I care about what you think. Your opinion matters to me very much. So if you say something that's ridiculous bullshit, I will say "fuck off" to you - okay? I hope everybody can deal with that.

I'm sure people can deal with it, but I'm not so sure it's okay, no. It's nuclear-level brusque, to the point that you're pretty much guaranteeing an escalation of badness in any conversation where you decide that the best response to another person here is "fuck off".

And I wish everybody could see that smiling and nodding and just saying "oh, you believe ridiculous bullshit? Okay, well, I don't mind, go ahead and have your opinion, that's okay with me" is the most obnoxious and least respectful thing you can do to somebody.

Condescending dismissal and "fuck off" are two little houses in a whole neighborhood of discursive possibilities. This is not an either/or situation, there are other options that aren't any harder to manage for most people most of the time. But if the only way you can manage to deal with someone whose ideas you dislike is to just shrug and ignore them, fine, at least you're not starting shit. Whereas if the only way you can manage to deal with that someone is to tell them to fuck off in a metafilter thread, you should really just close the tab and do something else for a while.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:27 AM on January 18, 2010 [4 favorites]


It's not very nice, but man, it feels so good.
posted by molecicco at 7:47 AM on January 18, 2010


There is no requirement to be nice in comments here.

There is a requirement to not be an asshole though, so it's great if people can find that line somewhere. Leaving a flat out "fuck you" or "fuck off" comment is pretty much what we think of as noise, so try to be creative, if not kind.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:08 AM on January 18, 2010


Personally I find the over use of super as an adverb far more distressing that using fuck in any context...
posted by i_cola at 8:15 AM on January 18, 2010


...than using fuck in any context...
posted by i_cola at 8:16 AM on January 18, 2010


I will now try to find a way to include the phrase "super-fucking" as a verb in a conversation today.

I just know the retiree who works the checkout counter at my grocery store is going to totally get where I'm coming from when I throw it out there.
posted by quin at 8:40 AM on January 18, 2010


I will now try to find a way to include the phrase "super-fucking" as a verb in a conversation today.

I just know the retiree who works the checkout counter at my grocery store is going to totally get where I'm coming from when I throw it out there.


That sounds very explicit. Where do you shop that allows for such open displays of sexual behavior?
posted by Burhanistan at 9:05 AM on January 18, 2010


I liked Beautiful Screaming Lady. Hope she comes back soon.
posted by mediareport at 9:06 AM on January 18, 2010


This callout makes no sense. If Meatbomb's "Fuck you" had been directed at Dick Cheney or Fred Phelps it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow, nor should it. By the same token, so long as one's invective is not being aimed at a fellow Mefite, no member should ever be called on the carpet because he or she uses "not very nice" language to make a point. The end.
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:07 AM on January 18, 2010


Condescending dismissal and "fuck off" are two little houses in a whole neighborhood of discursive possibilities.

Poetry
posted by kch at 10:07 AM on January 18, 2010


Metafilter: a callout over the phrase "fuck off" is posted and it's about goddamn fonts
posted by availablelight at 10:29 AM on January 18, 2010


As Gallagher pointed out, each use of the term robs it of impact, and of its power to offend. It was very thoughtful of Meatbomb to employ this consideration and repeat the term to lessen the blow.
posted by StickyCarpet at 10:33 AM on January 18, 2010


This callout is nonsense.

Also, Meatbomb, you're brilliant.
posted by dunkadunc at 10:35 AM on January 18, 2010


what are you gonna do? tell mom and dad I posted your d*ck sucking list to facebook? go ahead.

"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way ..."

-- leo tolstoy
posted by pyramid termite at 10:42 AM on January 18, 2010 [2 favorites]


What's a duck sucking list?

$20, same as in town.
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 10:50 AM on January 18, 2010 [2 favorites]


Metafilter: Oh, yeah? what are you gonna do? tell mom and dad I posted your d*ck sucking list to facebook? go ahead.
posted by june made him a gemini at 10:51 AM on January 18, 2010


I think it's great that we can have conversations on MetaFilter that include the phrase "As Gallagher pointed out . . . "

Sure, but as Carrot Top teaches us . . .

Ah, good point, but as the Guy Who Made The Noises In Police Academy prophesied . . .

posted by Mid at 10:54 AM on January 18, 2010 [2 favorites]


I really don't see the point to a call out here? Did I miss something or should I just fuck off?
posted by Mastercheddaar at 10:56 AM on January 18, 2010


Fuck on, you crazy beautiful bunch of comment-taters!
posted by Kirth Gerson at 11:03 AM on January 18, 2010 [2 favorites]


We're all just a bunch of common taters.
posted by iamkimiam at 11:09 AM on January 18, 2010 [1 favorite]


Oh, and fuck on.
posted by iamkimiam at 11:09 AM on January 18, 2010 [2 favorites]


What's a duck sucking list?

Oops! That should read duck sick
posted by P.o.B. at 12:59 PM on January 18, 2010 [1 favorite]


In New Zealand, it's known as a duck sucking lust.
posted by UbuRoivas at 2:20 PM on January 18, 2010


WTFU
posted by Elmore at 3:22 PM on January 18, 2010


A callout over the phrase "fuck off" is posted and it's about goddamn fonts?

No, it's about fucking fonts.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:42 PM on January 18, 2010


the fucking french are fucking keen
to fucking keep it fucking clean
the fucking frog's a fucking swine
who fucking draws a fucking line
at fucking fonts and fucking games
the fucking kids he fucking blames
are nowehere to be fucking found
anywhere in meta town

the fucking scene is fucking sad
the fucking callout's fucking bad
the fucking kids are on my turf
they fucking ruin my daily surf
the fucking trolls are fucking daft
don't make me fucking laugh
it fucking hurts to look around
everywhere in meta town
posted by UbuRoivas at 5:24 PM on January 18, 2010 [5 favorites]


Maybe it is an age thing, but I find the over-use of the word and the inherent/implied aggression, rather tiring after a while. Surely one can be passionate and articulate without resorting to an 'f*** you'. But then I am square mid-fifties kinda guy, so there you go.
posted by vac2003 at 6:40 PM on January 18, 2010 [1 favorite]


Fuck off is not the only thing you have to show. Let's make love and listen to Death from Above.
posted by klangklangston at 7:09 PM on January 18, 2010 [1 favorite]


Condescending dismissal and "fuck off" are two little houses in a whole neighborhood of discursive possibilities

Hellooo, Baltic Avenue!
posted by octobersurprise at 7:13 PM on January 18, 2010 [2 favorites]


You're allowed to make comments like that once your love score (proprietary algorithm involving favorites and time spent in metatalk) reaches a certain threshhold.
posted by tehloki at 10:56 PM on January 19, 2010


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