I agree with the sentiments, but that's not a good post. June 13, 2003 5:51 PM Subscribe
1. Bush is an assclown.
2. This is not a good FPP, IMO.
Nothing personal, but it has been linked in at least one thread already, and is only a funny picture. Am I wrong (I mean this time)?
2. This is not a good FPP, IMO.
Nothing personal, but it has been linked in at least one thread already, and is only a funny picture. Am I wrong (I mean this time)?
Lame post... and I'm glad I didn't have to point it out. Thanks IJR.
posted by Witty at 6:23 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by Witty at 6:23 PM on June 13, 2003
Miguel should be ashamed of himself. He didn't even cite his source!
posted by crunchland at 7:02 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by crunchland at 7:02 PM on June 13, 2003
After the inane "Bush lands fighter plane on deck of aircraft carrier (after being AWOL for a year iin the Texas Air National Guard), emerges with crotch absurdly bulging out of flight suit" affair, I'd support giving this post free reign.
posted by troutfishing at 7:47 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by troutfishing at 7:47 PM on June 13, 2003
is miguel both of those usernames? and both are still active? why is that?
posted by rhyax at 7:56 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by rhyax at 7:56 PM on June 13, 2003
rhyax: Carlos is an Argentine friend of Miguel's who hangs out with him a lot and, Miguel claims, just happens to like posting the same sorts of links Miguel does in the same style. It would be churlish to suggest that he was using his friend to evade the one-post-per-day rule, which so evidently cramps his style. People have, needless to say, suggested this. But it's churlish. Does this help?
posted by languagehat at 8:09 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by languagehat at 8:09 PM on June 13, 2003
We've been through this before, at length. I'm only his editor. I like Bush; I like the fact that he fell off. Carlos doesn't. No big deal.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:27 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:27 PM on June 13, 2003
At least the thread hasn't become a full-blown "See! Bush is an Idiot!" thread, and has at least some discussion about the difficulty (or lack of) of riding a Segway for the first time, which is more that I'd hoped for when I first saw the FPP.
posted by gyc at 8:53 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by gyc at 8:53 PM on June 13, 2003
oh, he's an idiot.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 8:57 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 8:57 PM on June 13, 2003
I thought the photographs, I saw on Yahoo's Most Popular Photos, were funny. I don't read Drudge. I think George Bush has something of the ridiculous about him - specially that he doesn't drink any more. I am sorry if I offended.
Miguel is mt best friend and only eliminates my mistakes. The ideas are mine and I assume them, of course.
posted by Carlos Quevedo at 9:00 PM on June 13, 2003
Miguel is mt best friend and only eliminates my mistakes. The ideas are mine and I assume them, of course.
posted by Carlos Quevedo at 9:00 PM on June 13, 2003
as a fellow bush-ain't-very-gooder, I agree it was a bit much.
posted by mcsweetie at 9:09 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by mcsweetie at 9:09 PM on June 13, 2003
rhyax: Carlos is an Argentine friend of Miguel's who hangs out with him a lot and, Miguel claims, just happens to like posting the same sorts of links Miguel does in the same style. It would be churlish to suggest that he was using his friend to evade the one-post-per-day rule, which so evidently cramps his style. People have, needless to say, suggested this. But it's churlish. Does this help?
posted by languagehat at 8:09 PM PST on June 13
It must take quite a bit of vinegar for over 50% of your posts to be inane diatribes against other members.
posted by the fire you left me at 9:14 PM on June 13, 2003
posted by languagehat at 8:09 PM PST on June 13
It must take quite a bit of vinegar for over 50% of your posts to be inane diatribes against other members.
posted by the fire you left me at 9:14 PM on June 13, 2003
oh come on folks - this is mefi. it['s required that every other post make fun of bush. have you all been away somewhere?
and why is miguel talking to himself?
posted by andrew cooke at 9:48 PM on June 13, 2003
and why is miguel talking to himself?
posted by andrew cooke at 9:48 PM on June 13, 2003
It must take quite a bit of vinegar for over 50% of your posts to be inane diatribes against other members.
Feeling churlish, are we?
And that should be 50% of his comments on MetaTalk, too. His noting jonmc has evidently had a hair up his ass of late was spot on, as well.
posted by y2karl at 9:52 PM on June 13, 2003
Feeling churlish, are we?
And that should be 50% of his comments on MetaTalk, too. His noting jonmc has evidently had a hair up his ass of late was spot on, as well.
posted by y2karl at 9:52 PM on June 13, 2003
Hmmm... say what you will, but I strongly suspect that
Carlos is to Miguel as Neal Pollack is to Dave Eggers...
posted by jonson at 9:55 PM on June 13, 2003
Carlos is to Miguel as Neal Pollack is to Dave Eggers...
posted by jonson at 9:55 PM on June 13, 2003
oh come on folks - this is mefi. it['s required that every other post make fun of bush.
And the other makes fun of Miguel.
Dead horse. Beat it.
posted by wendell at 10:21 PM on June 13, 2003
And the other makes fun of Miguel.
Dead horse. Beat it.
posted by wendell at 10:21 PM on June 13, 2003
Miguel, this is always going to pop up as an issue because you have an extremely distinctive writing style, and your posts and Carlos' posts often appear almost identical. There will always be people who remain unconvinced, and there will always be people who haven't read previous explanatory threads who will ask the question yet again.
My heartfelt advice is to let Carlos create less than perfect posts. Edit for spelling or the most basic grammar problems only. As it stands now, Carlos doesn't seem to have a voice, or any kind of mefi "personality" of his own, and it's difficult to interact with someone who, essentially, doesn't seem to exist. I, for one, would be delighted to hear Carlos in his own voice, and he must trust us to forgive mistakes made in what is not his first language. The snarks that will be snarked will probably be less painful and more roundly defended against than this ongoing suspicion and confusion.
posted by taz at 11:32 PM on June 13, 2003
My heartfelt advice is to let Carlos create less than perfect posts. Edit for spelling or the most basic grammar problems only. As it stands now, Carlos doesn't seem to have a voice, or any kind of mefi "personality" of his own, and it's difficult to interact with someone who, essentially, doesn't seem to exist. I, for one, would be delighted to hear Carlos in his own voice, and he must trust us to forgive mistakes made in what is not his first language. The snarks that will be snarked will probably be less painful and more roundly defended against than this ongoing suspicion and confusion.
posted by taz at 11:32 PM on June 13, 2003
Carlos-
I actually posted it to MeTa because I didn't know for sure if I thought it was cool. And I don't know why people are always all crappy to you.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 12:28 AM on June 14, 2003
I actually posted it to MeTa because I didn't know for sure if I thought it was cool. And I don't know why people are always all crappy to you.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 12:28 AM on June 14, 2003
OK, Ignatius. It's just that powerful persons in the world falling off - or over - things is always full of humor to me. Even weak ones are funny, if you think. It is the basis of slapstick, surely!
posted by Carlos Quevedo at 1:05 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by Carlos Quevedo at 1:05 AM on June 14, 2003
Sceptics:
Do you not think Matt has more info than you on the sub-racist issue of 'posters-with-spic-names' issue?
Do you not think, if there was an iota of suspicion, both memberships would be revoked?
I think you that carp are hoping to drive away Migs, and probably Carlos, in exasperation (I can almost hear the cheering now).
I think you are uncomfortable with the idea of the intelligent outsider, coming to share the land of Mefi. Get a grip. It's not funny any more, it's sad.
posted by dash_slot- at 1:43 AM on June 14, 2003
Do you not think Matt has more info than you on the sub-racist issue of 'posters-with-spic-names' issue?
Do you not think, if there was an iota of suspicion, both memberships would be revoked?
I think you that carp are hoping to drive away Migs, and probably Carlos, in exasperation (I can almost hear the cheering now).
I think you are uncomfortable with the idea of the intelligent outsider, coming to share the land of Mefi. Get a grip. It's not funny any more, it's sad.
posted by dash_slot- at 1:43 AM on June 14, 2003
After the inane "Bush lands fighter plane on deck of aircraft carrier (after being AWOL for a year iin the Texas Air National Guard), emerges with crotch absurdly bulging out of flight suit" affair, I'd support giving this post free reign.
I'm tellin' ya those spams are for real--whaddya think he tripped over, gettin' on the Segway? He's going to be President Oscar Meyer Weinermobile if he doesn't stop takin' that stuff.
posted by y2karl at 1:59 AM on June 14, 2003
I'm tellin' ya those spams are for real--whaddya think he tripped over, gettin' on the Segway? He's going to be President Oscar Meyer Weinermobile if he doesn't stop takin' that stuff.
posted by y2karl at 1:59 AM on June 14, 2003
Do you not think Matt has more info than you on the sub-racist issue of 'posters-with-spic-names' issue?
Uh, what just happened here? This train is definitely crashing.
posted by yerfatma at 7:18 AM on June 14, 2003
Uh, what just happened here? This train is definitely crashing.
posted by yerfatma at 7:18 AM on June 14, 2003
ok, apologies for carping. but "sub-racist" and "intelligent outsider"? the first needs supporting evidence, surely, unless it's just mud slinging (i guess this is the liberal equivalent of calling anyone who argues with an israeil and anti-semite, right?). the second is plain wrong - miguel is the consumate insider. at least, that's the way it seems to me (and for me this is critical: if i thought i was mocking an outsider i would feel terrible; laughing at the big cheese in the middle of the mefi clique is much less offensive).
hmmm. why not, then, make snide remarks about, say, quonsar? i guess because i enjoy his comments. for me, they're much more "intelligent" than rehashed posts about cultural attitudes or exclusive brands.
anyway, i feel like someone who's made a bad joke and has everyone staring. i've obviously passed the mark and will try not to again. sorry, carlos + miguel.
posted by andrew cooke at 7:21 AM on June 14, 2003
hmmm. why not, then, make snide remarks about, say, quonsar? i guess because i enjoy his comments. for me, they're much more "intelligent" than rehashed posts about cultural attitudes or exclusive brands.
anyway, i feel like someone who's made a bad joke and has everyone staring. i've obviously passed the mark and will try not to again. sorry, carlos + miguel.
posted by andrew cooke at 7:21 AM on June 14, 2003
"I think you are uncomfortable with the idea of the intelligent outsider"
It's not about brains -- I'm sure Miguel, Carlos, and all the other Miguel-related users are very, very intelligent. some users tho, I think have the right to consider as "very substandard" many of Carlos fpp's, and a good percentage of Miguel's, too (hard to post high-quality stuff once or twice a day every day for months and months and months. my idea? for every very good Miguel fpp we have to endure 5 which are very juvenile and possibly pointless. Carlos does not comment, he only uses MeFi to post his fpp's and sometimes comments in his own threads.
but of course it's up to matt, and he seems to like Miguel/Carlos/etc output, he's not deleting any of their fpp's so they must be ok, what do we know
Miguel and Carlos can perfectly well defend themselves, plus I've never bought the "Miguel-bashers-are-evil" thing, he seems to have a very vocal constituency of fans here, so he's far from being a victim of the ugly, communistic MeFi mob
posted by matteo at 7:23 AM on June 14, 2003
It's not about brains -- I'm sure Miguel, Carlos, and all the other Miguel-related users are very, very intelligent. some users tho, I think have the right to consider as "very substandard" many of Carlos fpp's, and a good percentage of Miguel's, too (hard to post high-quality stuff once or twice a day every day for months and months and months. my idea? for every very good Miguel fpp we have to endure 5 which are very juvenile and possibly pointless. Carlos does not comment, he only uses MeFi to post his fpp's and sometimes comments in his own threads.
but of course it's up to matt, and he seems to like Miguel/Carlos/etc output, he's not deleting any of their fpp's so they must be ok, what do we know
Miguel and Carlos can perfectly well defend themselves, plus I've never bought the "Miguel-bashers-are-evil" thing, he seems to have a very vocal constituency of fans here, so he's far from being a victim of the ugly, communistic MeFi mob
posted by matteo at 7:23 AM on June 14, 2003
I think you are uncomfortable with the idea of the intelligent outsider ...
Miguel's on the outside? Let me back in! Let me back in!
posted by rcade at 8:01 AM on June 14, 2003
Miguel's on the outside? Let me back in! Let me back in!
posted by rcade at 8:01 AM on June 14, 2003
I for one find the Miguel hate illogical and totally baffling. It isn't like he's a Newsfilter poster or something. I admit that some of his Metatalk postings are problematic but as far as the blue page I think he does the site proud.
posted by konolia at 8:08 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by konolia at 8:08 AM on June 14, 2003
I wouldn't say no to more Schweppes Girl around here.
posted by padraigin at 8:13 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by padraigin at 8:13 AM on June 14, 2003
Miguel should be ashamed of himself. He didn't even cite his source! simultaneously accuses Carlos of being Miguel (which accusation Miguel has already said he's hurt by, as it calls his integrity into question), and points up the discrepancy in styles between the two users.
3 posts later, the 'joke' is taken seriously again by rhyax, who naturally is curious as to the anomaly indicated by crunchland.
Immediately, languagehat - one of the most interesting Mefites, that I invariably listen to - says..." rhyax: Carlos is an Argentine friend of Miguel's who hangs out with him a lot and, Miguel claims, just happens to like posting the same sorts of links Miguel does in the same style. It would be churlish to suggest that he was using his friend to evade the one-post-per-day rule, which so evidently cramps his style. People have, needless to say, suggested this. But it's churlish. Does this help?"
Such heavy sarcasm redoubles the insinuation doled out earlier by crunchland.
then andrew cooke piles on - not the originator, just a follower. jonson's reference is, to me, quite subtle: I seem to remember some discussion as to whether eggars & pollack were one & the same. hmm. just come out & say it: again.
I say it is close to racism, because the issue has been explained to the satisfaction of the site owner. There is no hard evidence to pick on these two who have similar styles, non-anglo names, an eagerness to please and 'fit-in' with the dominant culture, and because this underhand whispering campaign is typical of the cynic, the bigot and the insider who's worried of his place, his status and his property.
I think my posting record shows I'm no cheerleader for Miguel (he even emailed me after a comment of mine led to one of his posts being deleted...) I don't often comment in his threads, mainly 'cos I don't go for luxury goods, conventional culture or conservative politics. Lord - he says up above "I like Bush" - eww!
He fought hard and long to assert his right to post just like the guidelines say: I doubt he's ever thought of himself as an insider, if there is such a thing here.
I just can't stand prejudice, and I think that's what I see here.
IMVERYHO.
posted by dash_slot- at 8:17 AM on June 14, 2003
3 posts later, the 'joke' is taken seriously again by rhyax, who naturally is curious as to the anomaly indicated by crunchland.
Immediately, languagehat - one of the most interesting Mefites, that I invariably listen to - says..." rhyax: Carlos is an Argentine friend of Miguel's who hangs out with him a lot and, Miguel claims, just happens to like posting the same sorts of links Miguel does in the same style. It would be churlish to suggest that he was using his friend to evade the one-post-per-day rule, which so evidently cramps his style. People have, needless to say, suggested this. But it's churlish. Does this help?"
Such heavy sarcasm redoubles the insinuation doled out earlier by crunchland.
then andrew cooke piles on - not the originator, just a follower. jonson's reference is, to me, quite subtle: I seem to remember some discussion as to whether eggars & pollack were one & the same. hmm. just come out & say it: again.
I say it is close to racism, because the issue has been explained to the satisfaction of the site owner. There is no hard evidence to pick on these two who have similar styles, non-anglo names, an eagerness to please and 'fit-in' with the dominant culture, and because this underhand whispering campaign is typical of the cynic, the bigot and the insider who's worried of his place, his status and his property.
I think my posting record shows I'm no cheerleader for Miguel (he even emailed me after a comment of mine led to one of his posts being deleted...) I don't often comment in his threads, mainly 'cos I don't go for luxury goods, conventional culture or conservative politics. Lord - he says up above "I like Bush" - eww!
He fought hard and long to assert his right to post just like the guidelines say: I doubt he's ever thought of himself as an insider, if there is such a thing here.
I just can't stand prejudice, and I think that's what I see here.
IMVERYHO.
posted by dash_slot- at 8:17 AM on June 14, 2003
I just can't stand prejudice, and I think that's what I see here.
It may be prejudice, dash_slot, but if it is, it's based on the fact that Miguel is involved. You have no platform for tossing out something as damning as "racism" to stand on.
posted by Ufez Jones at 8:26 AM on June 14, 2003
It may be prejudice, dash_slot, but if it is, it's based on the fact that Miguel is involved. You have no platform for tossing out something as damning as "racism" to stand on.
posted by Ufez Jones at 8:26 AM on June 14, 2003
if you're anything like me...
churl·ish (chûrlsh) adj.
1. Of, like, or befitting a churl; boorish or vulgar.
2. Having a bad disposition; surly: “as valiant as the lion, churlish as the bear” (Shakespeare).
3. Difficult to work with, such as soil; intractable.
posted by mcsweetie at 8:44 AM on June 14, 2003
churl·ish (chûrlsh) adj.
1. Of, like, or befitting a churl; boorish or vulgar.
2. Having a bad disposition; surly: “as valiant as the lion, churlish as the bear” (Shakespeare).
3. Difficult to work with, such as soil; intractable.
posted by mcsweetie at 8:44 AM on June 14, 2003
Well, I've had enough. Whatever enjoyment I got out of MetaFilter in the past has by now been overshadowed by this constant abuse which shows no sign of abating.
Before I go, I'd like to thank the many fellow users who've brought me enlightment, instruction and good, old-fashioned fun. To those who've resented my contributions all I have to say is that I get the feeling that when you started reading this there was a glimmer of hope I wasn't kidding. Well I'm sorry to say that I am.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:48 AM on June 14, 2003
Before I go, I'd like to thank the many fellow users who've brought me enlightment, instruction and good, old-fashioned fun. To those who've resented my contributions all I have to say is that I get the feeling that when you started reading this there was a glimmer of hope I wasn't kidding. Well I'm sorry to say that I am.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:48 AM on June 14, 2003
Well that sucks. At least Carlos is still sticking around.
posted by Stan Chin at 8:54 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by Stan Chin at 8:54 AM on June 14, 2003
Really.
Thing is, many prejudiced folks (for example, my relatives who discriminate on race) would not recognise themselves as racist. They are either prejudiced and ignorant, or prejudiced and in denial.
I'm happy to say that I hope to be proved wrong on my suspicions that two guys with similar, non-Anglo names are being singled out for snarks, subtle put-downs and ininuations on their honour.
It'll prolly be a long wait, tho'.
posted by dash_slot- at 9:05 AM on June 14, 2003
Thing is, many prejudiced folks (for example, my relatives who discriminate on race) would not recognise themselves as racist. They are either prejudiced and ignorant, or prejudiced and in denial.
I'm happy to say that I hope to be proved wrong on my suspicions that two guys with similar, non-Anglo names are being singled out for snarks, subtle put-downs and ininuations on their honour.
It'll prolly be a long wait, tho'.
posted by dash_slot- at 9:05 AM on June 14, 2003
To those who've resented my contributions all I have to say is that I get the feeling that when you started reading this there was a glimmer of hope I wasn't kidding. Well I'm sorry to say that I am.
Read the above, carefully.
That does it. I am now officially a member of the Miguel Cardoso Fan Club. Where do I send in the dues?
posted by konolia at 9:05 AM on June 14, 2003
Read the above, carefully.
That does it. I am now officially a member of the Miguel Cardoso Fan Club. Where do I send in the dues?
posted by konolia at 9:05 AM on June 14, 2003
Fuck. Fuckin hell.
You utter, utter berks.
How long till the cheering starts?
posted by dash_slot- at 9:06 AM on June 14, 2003
You utter, utter berks.
How long till the cheering starts?
posted by dash_slot- at 9:06 AM on June 14, 2003
Thing is, many prejudiced folks . . . would not recognise themselves as racist.
Then maybe you are too. Why does it have to be racism because someone has a "non-Anglo name"? Are you saying it's not okay to be annoyed with people who don't fit your definition of "white" or whatever metric you're working with? I think Miguel can handle himself just fine and if he feels like people are prejudiced against him for being Portugese, maybe let him handle it. Unless the pure white charger you ride into battle has been stabled too long and needs the exercise. Then sally forth and defend those incapable of defending themselves.
posted by yerfatma at 9:23 AM on June 14, 2003
Then maybe you are too. Why does it have to be racism because someone has a "non-Anglo name"? Are you saying it's not okay to be annoyed with people who don't fit your definition of "white" or whatever metric you're working with? I think Miguel can handle himself just fine and if he feels like people are prejudiced against him for being Portugese, maybe let him handle it. Unless the pure white charger you ride into battle has been stabled too long and needs the exercise. Then sally forth and defend those incapable of defending themselves.
posted by yerfatma at 9:23 AM on June 14, 2003
Dear lord, do I wish that I never started this thread. Carlos- again, I basically had a question, and I did not intend this as a segway to making fun of you.
Miguel-
We could spend all day trying to psychoanalyze those who feel the need to insult you. That would be a waste of time. I thank you for giving me more hot links than any other single MeFite.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:41 AM on June 14, 2003
Miguel-
We could spend all day trying to psychoanalyze those who feel the need to insult you. That would be a waste of time. I thank you for giving me more hot links than any other single MeFite.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:41 AM on June 14, 2003
great going, guys.
posted by angry modem at 9:45 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by angry modem at 9:45 AM on June 14, 2003
I did not intend this as a segway to making fun of you.
Ermmm, I think the Segway made fun of someone else. Which was Miguel's point to start with, no? ;)
posted by carter at 9:50 AM on June 14, 2003
Ermmm, I think the Segway made fun of someone else. Which was Miguel's point to start with, no? ;)
posted by carter at 9:50 AM on June 14, 2003
dash_slot is a racist... cuz uh, I SAID SO. Filthy rotten smelly ugly poopy racist.
posted by Witty at 9:56 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by Witty at 9:56 AM on June 14, 2003
[giggles on his ue out]
posted by andrew cooke at 9:57 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by andrew cooke at 9:57 AM on June 14, 2003
You gulllible gullible people.
Miguel isn't going anywhere. As YOU would know if you had carefully read what he posted (I mean, I even highlighted the relevant sentence!) He's already posted on the front page since his last post here.
posted by konolia at 10:13 AM on June 14, 2003
Miguel isn't going anywhere. As YOU would know if you had carefully read what he posted (I mean, I even highlighted the relevant sentence!) He's already posted on the front page since his last post here.
posted by konolia at 10:13 AM on June 14, 2003
....on the sub-racist issue of 'posters-with-spic-names'......
...I'm happy to say that I hope to be proved wrong on my suspicions that two guys with similar, non-Anglo names are being singled out for snarks, subtle put-downs and ininuations on their honour...
ROFLMAO
Good to see MeFi/MeTa's prudish, pants-wetting obsession with perceived Racism has not abated one tick since the site began. Yes, I'm sure those who noticed the similarity in posts by Carlos & Miguel all have pointy white hoods tucked away in their closets. And Little Green Footballs gets labeled a bunch of dopes?
They are--and clearly so are we.
posted by dhoyt at 10:24 AM on June 14, 2003
...I'm happy to say that I hope to be proved wrong on my suspicions that two guys with similar, non-Anglo names are being singled out for snarks, subtle put-downs and ininuations on their honour...
ROFLMAO
Good to see MeFi/MeTa's prudish, pants-wetting obsession with perceived Racism has not abated one tick since the site began. Yes, I'm sure those who noticed the similarity in posts by Carlos & Miguel all have pointy white hoods tucked away in their closets. And Little Green Footballs gets labeled a bunch of dopes?
They are--and clearly so are we.
posted by dhoyt at 10:24 AM on June 14, 2003
dash_slot-: Thanks for the kind words, and I appreciate that you're writing out of good and generous motives. But accusations of racism are way, way over the top, and (imho) you should apologize to all and sundry. It doesn't matter a damn what Miguel's name is; the salient facts are:
1) He posts way too much for many people's comfort, including mine; the fact that his posts (in the blue) are often interesting and always well styled is a mitigating factor but does not not completely excuse him.
2) Because his posts are often interesting and always well styled, and possibly because he is a published author (if not the Great Name of Luso-Literature many seem to assume), he has a large and vocal fan club here who shriek and gibber whenever he is treated with less than full adoration.
3) For that very reason, some of us who basically are not opposed to Miguel (he knows this to be true in my case) take great pleasure in poking the Miguel Balloon with sharp objects every once in a while, just to watch the shrieking and gibbering. (Which very rarely comes from him; he is admirably tolerant and good-natured. Cheers, Miguel!)
4) It is quite clear that Carlos is a separate person, and I carefully did not imply otherwise. It is unfortunate that Miguel not only encourages him to post with almost the same obsessive frequency as himself but edits his posts into a perfect replica of Miguel-speak; Migs should take taz's excellent advice above.
5) His self-retracting comment above was brilliant and is the kind of thing that would keep me from being an actual Miguel-hater if I were ever tempted.
6) Those of you who read it carelessly and are reacting with either sorrow or joy are idiots. Sorry, but there it is.
Does this help?
posted by languagehat at 10:33 AM on June 14, 2003
1) He posts way too much for many people's comfort, including mine; the fact that his posts (in the blue) are often interesting and always well styled is a mitigating factor but does not not completely excuse him.
2) Because his posts are often interesting and always well styled, and possibly because he is a published author (if not the Great Name of Luso-Literature many seem to assume), he has a large and vocal fan club here who shriek and gibber whenever he is treated with less than full adoration.
3) For that very reason, some of us who basically are not opposed to Miguel (he knows this to be true in my case) take great pleasure in poking the Miguel Balloon with sharp objects every once in a while, just to watch the shrieking and gibbering. (Which very rarely comes from him; he is admirably tolerant and good-natured. Cheers, Miguel!)
4) It is quite clear that Carlos is a separate person, and I carefully did not imply otherwise. It is unfortunate that Miguel not only encourages him to post with almost the same obsessive frequency as himself but edits his posts into a perfect replica of Miguel-speak; Migs should take taz's excellent advice above.
5) His self-retracting comment above was brilliant and is the kind of thing that would keep me from being an actual Miguel-hater if I were ever tempted.
6) Those of you who read it carelessly and are reacting with either sorrow or joy are idiots. Sorry, but there it is.
Does this help?
posted by languagehat at 10:33 AM on June 14, 2003
A third on Taz. Carlos, you really don't need Miguel to clean up your posts.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:42 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:42 AM on June 14, 2003
Or maybe clean up if you fear sounding uncultured or something (which the links would belie), but not completely rewrite as seems to be the case now. See? I've spoken the damn language all my life and it still comes out crappy. You can't do worse than this!
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:47 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:47 AM on June 14, 2003
I feel like I'm watching the ESPN interview with Jose Conseco how blames Sosa's problems on the fact he's a minority and not the fact he screwed up. Not saying the Migs or Carlos screwed up, but people use racism as a scapegoat way too often (instead of arguing with sound reason to support a person, they just cop out and yell "RACISM")
posted by jmd82 at 10:47 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by jmd82 at 10:47 AM on June 14, 2003
jeez....let people fall into the trap will ya ?
I CANT BELIEVE MIGUEL HAS LEFT !
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NOW ????
This is a very sad day for metafilter , there are obviously people out there who have made this site unbearable for such a talented man and valuable contributor to this site and they should really be taking a good look at themselves , perhaps they may even wish to post their apologies to migs here , which i will email to him.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:53 AM on June 14, 2003
I CANT BELIEVE MIGUEL HAS LEFT !
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NOW ????
This is a very sad day for metafilter , there are obviously people out there who have made this site unbearable for such a talented man and valuable contributor to this site and they should really be taking a good look at themselves , perhaps they may even wish to post their apologies to migs here , which i will email to him.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:53 AM on June 14, 2003
migs has just phoned me and confirmed he is never returning btw.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:54 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:54 AM on June 14, 2003
And I was just kidding around about the Pollack/Eggers thing, I couldn't resist the similarities of the joke. For the record, I neither know nor care whether Migs has two accounts. Frankly, as long as Matt allows this account to exist, who are we to complain about anything.
posted by jonson at 10:56 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by jonson at 10:56 AM on June 14, 2003
this is too funny. what happened here? buncha funny people made a buncha funny remarks. one or two folks, as usual, missed something and thought despicable things were happening here, but that is not unusual and mostly due to the excess pulp in their morning OJ or some similarly life-unhinging crisis. i'm having fun. why isn't everybody?
posted by quonsar at 10:58 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by quonsar at 10:58 AM on June 14, 2003
i dont know quonsar, it seems to be the straw that broke miguels back .......who knows?
posted by sgt.serenity at 11:00 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by sgt.serenity at 11:00 AM on June 14, 2003
Before I go, I'd like to thank the many fellow users who've brought me enlightment, instruction and good, old-fashioned fun. To those who've resented my contributions all I have to say is that I get the feeling that when you started reading this there was a glimmer of hope I wasn't kidding. Well I'm sorry to say that I am
Translated: I'm leaving. I believe there are several of you who hope I am serious. WELL I'M NOT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA!
Only, you know, eloquently put, and stuff.
posted by cohappy at 11:14 AM on June 14, 2003
Translated: I'm leaving. I believe there are several of you who hope I am serious. WELL I'M NOT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA!
Only, you know, eloquently put, and stuff.
posted by cohappy at 11:14 AM on June 14, 2003
heh. yeah, right. miguel giving up metafilter would be like a junkie giving up smack. nevertheless, I suggest we use this opportunity to delete his account, as suggested here.
posted by crunchland at 11:57 AM on June 14, 2003
posted by crunchland at 11:57 AM on June 14, 2003
explaining jokes doesn't make them funny. watching people make mistakes is funny (remember bush and the segway?). do i have to spell it out? don't you people pull the wings of flies?
and stan chin got it first. but, konolia, you can have dash_slots's shining white steed anyway. coz he won't be needing it for a while and you used "hate" in a way that shows promise.
posted by andrew cooke at 12:17 PM on June 14, 2003
and stan chin got it first. but, konolia, you can have dash_slots's shining white steed anyway. coz he won't be needing it for a while and you used "hate" in a way that shows promise.
posted by andrew cooke at 12:17 PM on June 14, 2003
I would just like to thank dashie for sticking up for the outsider (whoever he is, he exists and is discriminated against, on MetaFilter too: currently his personification is the Muslim, the conservative, the Christian, the Mormon, the teenager) but, in my case, let me reassure my good friend:
the people here who dislike me do so democratically; they hate my guts in all equality; when they can't stand me it's with absolute fairness; with good reason and equanimity. Their disgust and contempt are amply covered by the Constitution and would raise not a wrinkle or an eyebrow in the European Tribunal of Rights.
If I were American, they would not dislike me less. If I were Canadian, perhaps. Or from Salt Lake City.
I have absolutely no complaint on ethnic grounds. After all, I look more American than most Americans, write better English than most Englishmen and my baby blue eyes are so captivating that they have been justly celebrated in verse and in real life.
My only complaint, come to think of it, is that a lot of people don't seem to like me. It's always been so. My tragedy is that I really like the overwhelming majority of people. That's why I'm so annoying, I guess. I try too hard to be liked. And fail. And fail again. And fail, to rephrase Samuel Beckett, worse every time.
We're all individuals here. Surely we can live and let live?
Please.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:27 PM on June 14, 2003
the people here who dislike me do so democratically; they hate my guts in all equality; when they can't stand me it's with absolute fairness; with good reason and equanimity. Their disgust and contempt are amply covered by the Constitution and would raise not a wrinkle or an eyebrow in the European Tribunal of Rights.
If I were American, they would not dislike me less. If I were Canadian, perhaps. Or from Salt Lake City.
I have absolutely no complaint on ethnic grounds. After all, I look more American than most Americans, write better English than most Englishmen and my baby blue eyes are so captivating that they have been justly celebrated in verse and in real life.
My only complaint, come to think of it, is that a lot of people don't seem to like me. It's always been so. My tragedy is that I really like the overwhelming majority of people. That's why I'm so annoying, I guess. I try too hard to be liked. And fail. And fail again. And fail, to rephrase Samuel Beckett, worse every time.
We're all individuals here. Surely we can live and let live?
Please.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:27 PM on June 14, 2003
[cannot resist, too tempting]
"Surely we can live and let live?"
Actually it was "Live and let die" ;-)
posted by MzB at 12:50 PM on June 14, 2003
"Surely we can live and let live?"
Actually it was "Live and let die" ;-)
posted by MzB at 12:50 PM on June 14, 2003
do your characters never fight?
posted by andrew cooke at 1:05 PM on June 14, 2003
posted by andrew cooke at 1:05 PM on June 14, 2003
crunchland giving up Metabitching would be like a cockapoo giving up yapping--instead of deleting his whining ass as suggested here, we could make it a contest and introduce the ostrakophoria.
Write in crunchland, early and often!
posted by y2karl at 1:09 PM on June 14, 2003
Write in crunchland, early and often!
posted by y2karl at 1:09 PM on June 14, 2003
I try too hard to be liked.
i hear ya miguel. i have the same damn problem - not here really, but IRL - and while i'm not nearly as smart and witty as you or your colleagues, rest assured that they still love you even while they fondle your punky ass. :)
posted by poopy at 1:40 PM on June 14, 2003
i hear ya miguel. i have the same damn problem - not here really, but IRL - and while i'm not nearly as smart and witty as you or your colleagues, rest assured that they still love you even while they fondle your punky ass. :)
posted by poopy at 1:40 PM on June 14, 2003
"...my baby blue eyes are so captivating that they have been justly celebrated in verse and in real life."
How shall I compare thine eyes to a sultry summer sky?
Cardoso, thy peepers art half again more enchanting and alluring.
I drink deep their cerulean splendor,
I bathe myself in their azure glory
Until, at last, I am consumed wholly
and I become Miguel.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:44 PM on June 14, 2003
How shall I compare thine eyes to a sultry summer sky?
Cardoso, thy peepers art half again more enchanting and alluring.
I drink deep their cerulean splendor,
I bathe myself in their azure glory
Until, at last, I am consumed wholly
and I become Miguel.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:44 PM on June 14, 2003
Poopy, I truly believe that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about our particular condition. I thank you, Eric, as one bird of a feather to another.
Crash: the ass previously known as your own will be well looked after, don't you fret too much now, hear?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:48 PM on June 14, 2003
Crash: the ass previously known as your own will be well looked after, don't you fret too much now, hear?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:48 PM on June 14, 2003
Miguel, don't let these constipated grumps run you off. They don't have other people to pick on, and for some reason it is human nature to try to knock the mighty off pedestals.
posted by konolia at 2:05 PM on June 14, 2003
posted by konolia at 2:05 PM on June 14, 2003
But wait - where is Stanchin's post, pray tell, the one that would have me banned - is it on Mefi-lo? No? Is it in the dark blue yonder wither crap MeTa posts go, like so many of mine before him? Has his gold star, perchance, lost its sheen? Is he, in fact still here or gone forever back to his consistently unhilarious blog? Oh fate! Oh gloat of gloats, kiss me full on the mouth, pucker up for once and for all, mama!
*will this do?*
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:28 PM on June 14, 2003
*will this do?*
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:28 PM on June 14, 2003
guys, did you really have to explain migs joke ?
we coulda had a whole bundle of people getting the wrong end of the stick.
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:38 PM on June 14, 2003
we coulda had a whole bundle of people getting the wrong end of the stick.
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:38 PM on June 14, 2003
Heh, I guess not that many folks get to be present at their own funeral ...
posted by carter at 4:20 PM on June 14, 2003
posted by carter at 4:20 PM on June 14, 2003
But wait - where is Stanchin's post, pray tell
*quonsar whistles and shuffles his feet*
posted by quonsar at 5:32 PM on June 14, 2003
*quonsar whistles and shuffles his feet*
posted by quonsar at 5:32 PM on June 14, 2003
thanks quonsar for reminding us of how quippy we can be, you sly bastard. how do you do it? please tell.
posted by poopy at 5:50 PM on June 14, 2003
posted by poopy at 5:50 PM on June 14, 2003
That was amazing, quonsar. Thanks.
posted by languagehat at 6:03 PM on June 14, 2003
posted by languagehat at 6:03 PM on June 14, 2003
I, for one, am dissapointed that no one has suggested banning me from Metatalk, given that all my posts and comments here are always disruptive and held in sheer contempt of the entire MeTa group therapy process. Also, banana pudding is delicious. Mmm... banana pudding. I'm going to lather it on my body now and roam the streets declaring my tart yet smooth consistancy, baiting fat women into licking my total awesomeness.
Mmm... banana pudding.
posted by Stan Chin at 8:41 PM on June 14, 2003
Mmm... banana pudding.
posted by Stan Chin at 8:41 PM on June 14, 2003
Banana pudding is the new pancakes.
(I was hoping for tapioca myself, there are several NY MeFites who are rice pudding fans, but The Chin Has Spoken)
posted by wendell at 10:05 PM on June 14, 2003
(I was hoping for tapioca myself, there are several NY MeFites who are rice pudding fans, but The Chin Has Spoken)
posted by wendell at 10:05 PM on June 14, 2003
I, for one, am dissapointed that no one has suggested banning me from Metatalk
Just out of curiosity, did someone ban you from updating your own blog, you shiftless yellow devil?
posted by jonson at 10:49 PM on June 14, 2003
Just out of curiosity, did someone ban you from updating your own blog, you shiftless yellow devil?
posted by jonson at 10:49 PM on June 14, 2003
stan chin cracks me up. since most antics involving posting to metatalk are rapidly deleted, i was rather boggled and pleased to discover later when closing the numerous and oft-forgotten windows that tend to get opened during my surfing sessions that i had something staring at me that actually no longer existed. View Source. File | Save As, click, whirr, bzzzt.
posted by quonsar at 9:16 AM on June 15, 2003
posted by quonsar at 9:16 AM on June 15, 2003
bit long winded for you, Quons...
posted by dash_slot- at 2:43 PM on June 15, 2003
posted by dash_slot- at 2:43 PM on June 15, 2003
dash, i think a meta post about that is probably called for. :-)
posted by quonsar at 3:36 PM on June 15, 2003
posted by quonsar at 3:36 PM on June 15, 2003
*reports quonsar to the Ministry of Truth for failing to dispatch lies to the memory hole.*
posted by dg at 3:54 PM on June 15, 2003
posted by dg at 3:54 PM on June 15, 2003
Frankly, as long as Matt allows this account to exist, who are we to complain about anything.
That's 'cause he hates me.
posted by timeistight at 2:07 AM on June 16, 2003
That's 'cause he hates me.
posted by timeistight at 2:07 AM on June 16, 2003
If Miguel leaves, I'm leaving too. Miguel's posts and comments are just about the only things on Mefi worth looking at anymore.
posted by UncleFes at 7:18 AM on June 16, 2003
posted by UncleFes at 7:18 AM on June 16, 2003
Miguel isn't going anywhere. MetaFilter, and especially MetaTalk, would spontaneously combust without him. And, come on, MC, you know you love the abuse. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
posted by anapestic at 8:25 AM on June 16, 2003
posted by anapestic at 8:25 AM on June 16, 2003
Miguel, don't let these constipated grumps run you off. They don't have other people to pick on, and for some reason it is human nature to try to knock the mighty off pedestals.
Wow konolia, you're as broken a record as I am. It's got nothing to do with pedestal destruction, it's got everything to do with good old fashioned personality conflict. Don't worry, Miguel isn't going to disappear if you stop clapping your hands.
posted by cCranium at 10:21 AM on June 16, 2003
Wow konolia, you're as broken a record as I am. It's got nothing to do with pedestal destruction, it's got everything to do with good old fashioned personality conflict. Don't worry, Miguel isn't going to disappear if you stop clapping your hands.
posted by cCranium at 10:21 AM on June 16, 2003
but will he stop dancing?
posted by crunchland at 10:28 AM on June 16, 2003
posted by crunchland at 10:28 AM on June 16, 2003
If Miguel leaves, I'm leaving too. Miguel's posts and comments are just about the only things on Mefi worth looking at anymore.
I wouldn't go that far, but Miguel is a treasure. We may not all like him (I, admittedly, do), but he is a part of what makes Metafilter unique. It is not the case that he somehow "deserves" to be a visible "face," but that's just how shit shook out. Ripping on him constantly is like protesting John Lennon's funeral because you're into hip-hop.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 10:51 AM on June 16, 2003
I wouldn't go that far, but Miguel is a treasure. We may not all like him (I, admittedly, do), but he is a part of what makes Metafilter unique. It is not the case that he somehow "deserves" to be a visible "face," but that's just how shit shook out. Ripping on him constantly is like protesting John Lennon's funeral because you're into hip-hop.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 10:51 AM on June 16, 2003
*clutches arm in sudden awareness of massive coronary provoked by the what's-the-world-coming-to shock of anapestic and cCranium talking about him without putting the knife in*
*waves to konolia, in last dying gesture*
*noticing it's almost seven in the evening; perks up; slips into a fresh smoking jacket; mixes himself a dry Martini and, rolling around a big fat Manzanilla olive, pensively, in his fingers, starts preparing tonight's post to le grand bleu, in honour of the belovedly avuncular Fes.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:52 AM on June 16, 2003
*waves to konolia, in last dying gesture*
*noticing it's almost seven in the evening; perks up; slips into a fresh smoking jacket; mixes himself a dry Martini and, rolling around a big fat Manzanilla olive, pensively, in his fingers, starts preparing tonight's post to le grand bleu, in honour of the belovedly avuncular Fes.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 10:52 AM on June 16, 2003
I can put the knife in, Miguel, if that'll prevent the heart attack*, but meh. You've heard it all before. It didn't change things then, why should it start now?
* wait a second! The moral dilemma, it confuses!
posted by cCranium at 10:56 AM on June 16, 2003
* wait a second! The moral dilemma, it confuses!
posted by cCranium at 10:56 AM on June 16, 2003
I saw it hours before it appeared here. I posted it on my weblog, which is full of stupid haha crap. But I refrained from posting it here.
posted by scarabic at 4:32 PM on June 16, 2003
posted by scarabic at 4:32 PM on June 16, 2003
*waves back, lifts a glass of sweet iced tea in salute*
posted by konolia at 7:07 PM on June 16, 2003
posted by konolia at 7:07 PM on June 16, 2003
this will doubtless get lost in the noise, but regardless of what person or subject i think about, i tend to not like a person that tries to hard or does too much.
i guess that's why i'm not keen on miguel, even though i don't know the bloke but for his posts. but since i'm not a major player here, no one is going to notice. or even care about my opinion.
i often wonder, am i alone in this? probably.
posted by triv at 12:51 PM on June 17, 2003
i guess that's why i'm not keen on miguel, even though i don't know the bloke but for his posts. but since i'm not a major player here, no one is going to notice. or even care about my opinion.
i often wonder, am i alone in this? probably.
posted by triv at 12:51 PM on June 17, 2003
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