deleted...why?

August 19, 2008 7:43 PM

I'm curious as to why this was deleted

I've had my share of posts deleted, and usually I understand the reason... this FPP, not so much... It seemed like a topic worth discussing.

Some feedback would be useful...what do you all think ?

posted by HuronBob to MetaFilter-related at 7:43 PM (108 comments total)

Well, it's a pretty long-shot idea floated by a guy on the fringe, so as a stand-alone it is sorta weak. Doesn't bug me, but I understand the deletion. I think cortex's deletion reason is pretty clear, don't you?
posted by Bookhouse at 7:45 PM on August 19, 2008

The discussion wasn't a good one, and neither was the link.
posted by smackfu at 7:47 PM on August 19, 2008

It was a single link blog post to a long-shot idea for a vp candidate in the US presidential race which is like esoteric times four. Maybe you want to try posting it over at politicalfilter.com?
posted by jessamyn at 7:48 PM on August 19, 2008

It's a single link, op-ed, open letter, US election filter which is reason enough. Metafilter shouldn't be for "lets talk about Obama's VP options".
posted by Mitheral at 7:49 PM on August 19, 2008

Matt has a fat wad of change on Biden over at Intrade. You were about to fuck that up.
posted by felix betachat at 7:51 PM on August 19, 2008 [10 favorites]

Everything said so far, plus ending your post with "interesting, eh?" kind of weakens your post, I think.
posted by Effigy2000 at 8:14 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

Oh hey, PoliticalFilter! Neat!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:18 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

We'll find out who will be Obama's VP within a week, maybe a post about that person would be more interesting politicalfilter.
posted by stavrogin at 8:24 PM on August 19, 2008

Maybe you want to try posting it over at politicalfilter.com

Sure, bring it on over if you like.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:29 PM on August 19, 2008

Thin.
I would have left it as there was enough interesting stuff not all over CNN to justify it, but I have no quibble with its deletion either. Also, the whole site has been lacking in any interesting links for the past few days, or few at least, so that it is judged against a bleaker background.

I just hope that when Obama does pick a running mate that we get more than a single link CNN post about it. I am not looking for some silly seventh grade research post with the first five Google links, but perhaps we might get the news and then a few erudite analysis links about the the pick....
posted by caddis at 8:40 PM on August 19, 2008

I think I'll have another drink.
posted by cog_nate at 8:47 PM on August 19, 2008

Well, every man needs something to think in.
posted by yhbc at 8:49 PM on August 19, 2008

It seemed like a topic worth discussing.

Really? Caroline as VP or just the veepstakes thing in general? Cause there are like 80 jillion places to talk about that. And it's been a boring conversation everywhere I've seen it so far.

How about we hold off till McCain picks his VP next saturday and we can do a two-fer.
posted by empath at 9:12 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

I love all things politics and I would have nuked this with extreme prejudice.

It's primarily about the links, not the chat, nevar forget.
posted by CunningLinguist at 9:15 PM on August 19, 2008

I'm curious as to why this was deleted

Viral advertising for MetaTalk.
posted by oaf at 9:20 PM on August 19, 2008 [4 favorites]

Just so long as I don't have to believe in anything.
posted by cog_nate at 9:26 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

Obama & Kennedy with one shot? Nice shootin', (cor)Tex!

[NOT GRASSYKNOLLIST]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:37 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

Because cortex says so. What more do you need to know?
posted by Dave Faris at 9:41 PM on August 19, 2008

Cortex is so mean he once deleted a post just for snoring too loud.

I use that joke construction all the time, but I'm starting to think I may be the only one here who remembers the commercial it came from.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:53 PM on August 19, 2008

It was the ", eh?" at the end. That killed it.
posted by signal at 9:54 PM on August 19, 2008

It's because the mods have it out for guys names Bob. Remember what happened to this guy? It wasn't pretty.
posted by netbros at 9:58 PM on August 19, 2008

I thought it seemed more appropriate for a protracted discussion on MetaTalk.
posted by fantabulous timewaster at 10:00 PM on August 19, 2008

It seemed like a topic worth discussing.

Since when has MetaFilter been about the discussion?
posted by djgh at 10:20 PM on August 19, 2008

Since it's always about the links and never the discussion, then there's no reason to ever delete something interesting just because it incites a trainwreck, right?
posted by 0xFCAF at 10:24 PM on August 19, 2008

Tongue firmly in cheek re:the above, by the way.

I think election fatigue is playing a part. Speculation about an even that hasn't even happened yet is probably at the very edges of what makes an essentially newsfilter topic acceptable. Had Obama announced a running mate, this could've been popped in as well, but as is...
posted by djgh at 10:28 PM on August 19, 2008

Cortex once pulled a thread in Reno, just to watch it dye.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:30 PM on August 19, 2008 [4 favorites]

Michael Moore always presents nuanced, well thought-out ideas that are never designed to instigate, lampoon, or otherwise reek of horse shit, and instead prompt a calm, delightful exchange of ideas that educate everyone who takes part. The link to Michael Moore is reason enough that this FPP should never have been deleted. The mods have, once again, gone too far.
posted by KokuRyu at 10:43 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

Irony, KokuRyu? We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.
posted by cgc373 at 10:52 PM on August 19, 2008

Michael Moore is an asshole. I once wrote him a letter thanking him (among other things) for letting me intrude on his life and I never heard back from him. Bastard.
posted by sluglicker at 11:03 PM on August 19, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Metafilter: You can sign up, but you can never leave.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:04 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

Michael Moore is an asshole. I once wrote him a letter thanking him (among other things) for letting me intrude on his life and I never heard back from him. Bastard.

You gotta admit though, that gay porn parody of his first film was amazing. Remember it? Rogering Me?
posted by felix betachat at 11:16 PM on August 19, 2008 [1 favorite]

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Metafilter: You can sign up, but you can never leave.

Welcome to the Hotel Gonna Scorn Ya.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 11:48 PM on August 19, 2008 [6 favorites]

Damn you, flapjax, see what you made me go and do?

Welcome To The Hotel Gonna Scorn Ya

In a dark Metatalk thread, trolls posting for lolz
Complaints 'bout deletions, arguments 'bout the polls
Down below in the textbox, I typed a clever insight
My mouse grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to stop for the night
cortex deleted my post
I heard jessamyn yell
And I was thinking to myself,
’this could be heaven or this could be hell’
Then mathowie stepped in with the banhammer raised
There were comments calling me a troll,
I thought I read them say...

Welcome to the hotel gonna scorn ya
Such a lovely site
Such a lovely fight
Plenty of room at the hotel gonna scorn ya
Any time of year, you can find it here

This thread is tiffany-twisted, it's got the Metatalk bends
There are a lot of snarky, snarky folks, that we call friends
How they post before thread-end, thread ain't closed yet.
Some posts to remember, some posts to forget

So I emailed mathowie,
with my 'WHAT THE FUCK’ whine
He said, ’we haven’t had that spirit here since nineteen ninety nine’
And still those Mefites are posting from far away,
Hit the site in the middle of the night
Just to read them say...

Welcome to the hotel gonna scorn ya
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely face
They're livin’ it up at the hotel gonna scorn ya
What a great big mess, bring your snarkiness

Hurf durf butter eater,
Commenting PUI's not nice
Jess said ’we are all just prisoners here, of our own device’
And on mathowie's website,
Arrange meetups in the park
We drink and we make shoutouts,
But we just can’t kill the snark

Last thing I remember I was
Closing my brows0r
I had to click my history back
To that site I knew before
’Relax,’ said the night mod,
The site's programmed to receive.
You can drop 5 bux any time you like,
But you can never leave!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:41 AM on August 20, 2008 [50 favorites]

Glad to hear PoliticsFilter is up and running, Brandon! I've just posted a link to a comparison of the McCain and Obama tax plans. (I posted it to devoter.com earlier.)
posted by russilwvong at 12:49 AM on August 20, 2008

Oops, it's not PoliticsFilter--it's PoliticalFilter.
posted by russilwvong at 12:56 AM on August 20, 2008

Hahahaha! Well done, stav!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 1:53 AM on August 20, 2008

I'm curious as to why this was deleted

if you have to ask, you can't afford to know.
posted by quonsar at 3:13 AM on August 20, 2008

I use that joke construction all the time, but I'm starting to think I may be the only one here who remembers the commercial it came from.


Wasn't it from some old time-life book commercial about the wild west outlaws or something?
posted by chillmost at 3:41 AM on August 20, 2008

John Wesley Hardin: rumored to be so mean he once shot a man for snoring. I think that was the Time-Life "Old West" series commercials. Perhaps a Johnny Cash song too?
posted by marxchivist at 5:29 AM on August 20, 2008

so mean he once shot a man for snoring

So the guy died in his sleep?

Cortex would have woke the guy up first.
posted by R. Mutt at 6:09 AM on August 20, 2008 [1 favorite]

This post was deleted for the following reason: It's gonna be a long road to November. We can do a little better than this for electionfilter in the meantime.
posted by DU at 6:10 AM on August 20, 2008

Stavros, "brows0r" is really the icing on the gravy. Bravo, sir!
posted by dirtdirt at 6:47 AM on August 20, 2008

I'm curious as to why you haven't flamed out and disabled your account yet. Let's get moving, gripey mcgee. That account ain't gonna close itself!

And I wanna see some hands, too.
posted by Eideteker at 7:38 AM on August 20, 2008 [1 favorite]

I was a bit disappointed to see it go (the discussion was just starting to get interesting), but at least I got the last word!
posted by Sys Rq at 8:38 AM on August 20, 2008

People have covered it pretty well; Michael Moore writing up some speculative attention-bait is just pretty thin material for an FPP, however interesting the let's-ignore-Michael-and-talk-politics discussion that could come out of it might be. We're gearing up for what will in all likelihood be a real mother of a third act in this race, and previous election cycles on mefi have shown a tendency towards fast-and-heavy posting in a way that degrades somewhat the idea of filtering content that's a big part of what the front page is ostensibly about.

The last couple weeks (and to a degree the months before that) have shown the same sort of phenomenon with the Olympics. We've had a lot of posts about the games, specific events, China, controversies tied to all of the above, etc. A bit of an uptick in posts on the topic is one thing, and I don't think anybody reasonably expects that not to happen, but there's also been a number of not-that-great posts as well, apparently motivated more by it being The Thing To Talk About than by people seeking out really interesting web stuff on the topic or putting togehter really quality posts on the subject.
posted by cortex at 8:50 AM on August 20, 2008 [3 favorites]

The post, and its consequent deletion was more than worth is for Stav's post. You may all go about your business now....
posted by Debaser626 at 10:00 AM on August 20, 2008 [1 favorite]

The post, and its consequent deletion was more than worth is for Stav's post.

Sense your sentence does not make quite debatable as its premise is.
posted by y2karl at 11:53 AM on August 20, 2008

20 quatloons to the first person to post a version of this to music.metafilter.com complete with guitar solos.
posted by plinth at 12:13 PM on August 20, 2008 [1 favorite]

Time Life's The Gunfighters, in fact.

"John Wesley Hardin...by the time the Texas Rangers caught up with him, he'd killed forty-three men, one just for snoring too loud."
posted by Astro Zombie at 2:19 PM on August 20, 2008

I wish the thread had stayed open so that I could have said I like the sound of Obama-Akaka. Not that I think he would make a good VP, far from it. I just like the sound of Obama-Akaka. So, thank you for this post HuronBob, you gave me the opportunity to say Obama-Akaka.
posted by tellurian at 4:33 PM on August 20, 2008

"I'm curious as to why this was deleted..."

Why'd you make this thread? The answer was IN the link you left. Heck, if I bothered to make a MetaTalk thread every time I felt short-sighted by the Powers That Be... well that doesn't happen as often as it use to.

But now that you bring it up.

Mary Lou Retton is a beautiful, intelligent, inspiring woman who has done great things for charities and furthering a positive outlook upon America in the eyes of the rest of the world. Also, when she was competing for the Olympics some twenty odd years ago, she actually looked her age.

See, Jessamyn? It was funnier without the soulsapping political correctness. I would expect a more open mind from one of your stature and influence.

The more rules you lay down, the more you think you need.
posted by ZachsMind at 4:46 PM on August 20, 2008 [1 favorite]

I just like the sound of Obama-Akaka.

I don't know, what's Akaka with you?

"Hakuna Matata" parody in 5... 4... Please don't.
posted by Sys Rq at 4:51 PM on August 20, 2008

ZachsMind, your actual comment was

Even the American girls this year looked like they were still in elementary school. What's the point of having a female in such skimpy clothes if it does nothing for the male libido? Back in my day, we had Mary Lou Retton! THERE was a piece of ass, lemme tell ya! ...get off my lawn!

I get that you were being sarcastic. I hope you appreciate that continual "but what about her fuckability?!" jokes are tiresome, even if intended ironically.
posted by jessamyn at 4:56 PM on August 20, 2008 [4 favorites]

See, Jessamyn? It was funnier without the soulsapping political correctness. I would expect a more open mind from one of your stature and influence.

Uh.

Even the American girls this year looked like they were still in elementary school. What's the point of having a female in such skimpy clothes if it does nothing for the male libido? Back in my day, we had Mary Lou Retton! THERE was a piece of ass, lemme tell ya! ...get off my lawn!

I don't think the reason people were flagging that comment was because they were incorrectly assuming that it would have been funnier if you weren't making reductive sex-object jokes about women in sports.
posted by cortex at 4:58 PM on August 20, 2008

Hi Cortex! Shall I expect Matt to also step in and put me in my place? Ooh goody. So much to look forward to.

I've said far worse before, and others have said and done far worse in these forums before now. I find it subjective of the two of you to be picking on me now regarding something so blatantly insignificant. Help. Help. I'm being repressed.

I can't help but think this must be about something else. How have I offended thee, oh great ones?
posted by ZachsMind at 5:09 PM on August 20, 2008

others have said and done far worse in these forums before now.

Hey, why is everyone looking at me? I've turned over a new leaf and everything...
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 5:13 PM on August 20, 2008

Zach, no one is "picking on you". You challenged the moderators saying they were being too "politically incorrect" and they explained why your comment got deleted.

You've been on a tear the past few days and think it's time to take a break so I'm gonna pull your plug for 24 hours. Do try and reel in the fuckability jokes when you return.
posted by mathowie at 5:14 PM on August 20, 2008

cortex sounds such the weenie when he says things like "reductive sex-object jokes", hee!
posted by quonsar at 5:17 PM on August 20, 2008

Huh. I understand the whole "boyzone" issue, but I'm with Zachsmind on both ends of this one. While I also understand that the comment would probably inevitably get a lot of flags (and that he would have to have it, and the opinion others had about it, and him, in his history), it should have stayed. And if it should have stayed, he shouldn't get a "time out to think about it" for essentially joking about the deletion.
posted by yhbc at 5:24 PM on August 20, 2008

Zachsmind writes: Help. Help. I'm being repressed.

Probably not quite enough, though...
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:38 PM on August 20, 2008

I can't help but think this must be about something else. How have I offended thee, oh great ones?

I think the double-whammy there was about bad luck, basically: Jess' comment was up when I started writing, and I was in too much of a hurry to check for preview. Had I seen it, I wouldn't have posted—not aiming for a pileon effect, I promise.

Your comment was tasteless and annoying and got flagged a bunch. Comments like that stand a good chance of getting deleted. There's no "something else", and the fact that crap comments have gotten through the filter in the past is not only not a meaningful objection to a crap getting deleted this time, it's kind of one of those historical ugly things about metafilter that partially informs removal.
posted by cortex at 5:43 PM on August 20, 2008

See? With the failing to preview today? Gah.
posted by cortex at 5:45 PM on August 20, 2008

I've had the pleasure of briefly meeting Mary Lou Retton a couple of times in the past year, and I have to tell you she still turns every head in the room, male and female.
posted by An Infinity Of Monkeys at 6:08 PM on August 20, 2008

So do I, yet for entirely different reasons, but does everybody talk about how fuckable *I* am? Nooooooo!
posted by waraw at 6:12 PM on August 20, 2008

They're too stricken by your presence to say anything, waraw.
posted by ardgedee at 6:30 PM on August 20, 2008

All I can make is a drooling sort of noise that, perhaps unsurprisingly, sounds like this: waarraaaw.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:58 PM on August 20, 2008 [4 favorites]

"John Wesley Hardin...by the time the Texas Rangers caught up with him, he'd killed forty-three men, one just for snoring too loud."

Reminds me of this guy, except Hardin's line is better.
posted by puke & cry at 7:15 PM on August 20, 2008

Better to be a piece of ass than one entirely.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 8:00 PM on August 20, 2008 [2 favorites]

I'm beginning to think "take it to politicalfilter.com" is going to get a lot of love in deletion reasons.
posted by Mitheral at 8:25 PM on August 20, 2008

It was funnier without the soulsapping political correctness.

And if you had been funny.

Shall I expect Matt to also step in...

Yeah, what's up with the three of those guys, it's like they think they moderate and administer the site or something.

...and put me in my place?

Follow this person, it looks like she's heading for the same place.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:15 PM on August 20, 2008 [1 favorite]

ZachsMind: "I've said far worse before, and others have said and done far worse in these forums before now. I find it subjective of the two of you to be picking on me now regarding something so blatantly insignificant. Help. Help. I'm being repressed."

For fuck's sake. What will it take for some folks to realize the very simple fact that MeFi at large doesn't want your insignificant "jokes". Hey, hey, I'm being ironic! Only a sexist shit would say something this dumb!

You're not being repressed. People flagging you aren't silencing your unique brand of satire. Your insignificant joke just isn't appreciated. We would rather you didn't tell us how fuckable you think someone is, regardless of the lulz. We would rather have women feel comfortable participating in the community than protect your freedom to make a joke. Simple as that.

DON'T TELL US WHETHER YOU WANT TO FUCK SOMEONE OR NOT! IT'S REALLY THAT EASY!
posted by team lowkey at 12:27 AM on August 21, 2008 [2 favorites]

For fuck's sake. What will it take for some folks to realize the very simple fact that MeFi at large doesn't want your insignificant "jokes".

Damn, I wish I had a MeFi at large opinion detector too. Think of all the favourites I could get with one of those...
posted by PeterMcDermott at 1:15 AM on August 21, 2008

Damn, I wish I had a MeFi at large opinion detector too.

Peter, it's your lucky day! I've got a used one I'll sell you (still in good working order, and every bit as useless as it is pointless), and if you act now I'll throw in a Mod Mind Reader, no extra charge.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 3:55 AM on August 21, 2008

Paul Weller rang. He told me to tell you he knew you were going to say that.
posted by Jofus at 8:13 AM on August 21, 2008 [1 favorite]

Peter Weller also rang. He told me to tell you that dead or alive, you're coming with him.
posted by cortex at 8:20 AM on August 21, 2008

Thomas Huckle Weller just called, and he wanted to let you know that there are growing pathogens in tissue cultures.
posted by Astro Zombie at 8:27 AM on August 21, 2008

Uri Geller called, FROM THE FUTURE, but he made as much sense as he usually does.
posted by jessamyn at 8:41 AM on August 21, 2008

Helen Keller rang from the...no, I'm not going there.
posted by Jofus at 9:28 AM on August 21, 2008

Clara Peller just called. She's apparently misplaced some meat.
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:29 AM on August 21, 2008 [1 favorite]

Old Yeller called to, like, recite some of Astro Zombie 3's poetry, I guess?
posted by cortex at 9:30 AM on August 21, 2008

Teller called, but didn't say anything.
posted by languagehat at 9:35 AM on August 21, 2008 [4 favorites]

PeterMcDermott: "Damn, I wish I had a MeFi at large opinion detector too."

Yeah, that would be pretty useful. There should a way that users could mark what they like and don't like. Or, heck, maybe even an entire subsite dedicated to talking about what we want and don't want on the site. I bet that would give you a pretty good idea of opinion at large.

At the very least, there could be some written guidelines. But I guess we're all left to hopelessly post in a vacuum. Who knows, maybe I used one of the secret words in this comment that will lead to my banning. I wish the mods wouldn't run the website like a game of Mao, but what can you do?
posted by team lowkey at 9:40 AM on August 21, 2008 [1 favorite]

It's Thursday, and somebody said "vacuum"!

WAAAAAYYYHAAAAAAAUUUUGHHH!
posted by cortex at 9:46 AM on August 21, 2008

*turns phone off*
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:14 AM on August 21, 2008

Growl tear rip shred grrr grr garf garf
Arroo HOWL rip rend tear arf arf
Grr grr grr grrr
Grr grr grr grr
Shrep rid rend tear shred grrr narf narf.
posted by Astro Zombie 3 at 10:30 AM on August 21, 2008 [1 favorite]

*grips AZ3 firmly by shoulders, holds out of teeth's range*

NOW!
DO!
A!
HAIKU!
posted by cortex at 10:33 AM on August 21, 2008

富士の風や扇にのせて江戸土産
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:35 AM on August 21, 2008

Oh, that wasn't meant for me.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:35 AM on August 21, 2008

Sarah Michelle Gellar called to say she would be late to the joke.
posted by Eideteker at 10:36 AM on August 21, 2008

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr NARF NARF!
posted by Astro Zombie 3 at 10:37 AM on August 21, 2008

Wow. You couldn't hear it, but he actually got the metrical phrases and the number of syllables exactly right.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:39 AM on August 21, 2008

Joseph Heller called to decry the state of things.
posted by Mister_A at 12:04 PM on August 21, 2008

Helen Keller called... I think.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 12:24 PM on August 21, 2008

Tesla called. He didn't use a telephone.
posted by Crabby Appleton at 1:28 PM on August 21, 2008

My mom just called to ask why i never visit any more.
posted by empath at 2:28 PM on August 21, 2008

DON'T TELL US WHETHER YOU WANT TO FUCK SOMEONE OR NOT! IT'S REALLY THAT EASY!
posted by team lowkey

Even the quiet and restrained have to raise their voices now and again, I guess.
posted by anthill at 2:46 PM on August 21, 2008

Helen Keller called... I think.

Uh-oh. Was she ironing? God, I hope she hasn't burned her ear again.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:24 PM on August 21, 2008

I want to fuck someone.
posted by Crabby Appleton at 6:33 PM on August 21, 2008

I want to fuck someone.

But is that "someone" de re or ... um ... de dicto?
posted by jessamyn at 6:41 PM on August 21, 2008

I want to fuck someone.

But, lemme guess... this someone doesn't want to... amirite?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:47 PM on August 21, 2008

Damn, shoulda previewed.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:48 PM on August 21, 2008

OK, ZachsMind, see how it's done? When you can get Jessamyn herself to ask you to tell her whom you want to fuck, then it will be time for you to leave, Grasshopper.
posted by Crabby Appleton at 7:20 PM on August 21, 2008

I want to fuck someone.

Oh wow. So THAT'S what they mean by not wanting to see those types of comments.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:21 PM on August 21, 2008

Jessamyn, if I understand the distinction correctly, it's de re. Please don't ask me to be more specific—I don't want to be banned for life.

Also, I think the ambiguity made the remark more amusing. (Yeah, I know, more than not at all isn't saying much, whatever.) Your translingual pun was amusing, though.
posted by Crabby Appleton at 7:29 PM on August 21, 2008

Well, you know what they say: You can't fuck "someone" without "me."

(Or you're just fucking "soone" and that's some chintzy pseudo rennfaire hastye fucking, no goode at all.)
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 8:29 PM on August 21, 2008 [1 favorite]

I think that people should be allowed to express their opinion of another persons attractiveness. I am fairly sure both sexes have such thoughts and express them. I have in fact been in the presence of groups of women who have colourfully expressed their desire to bed various males. I can appreciate that the lack of gender equality means that these statements are not perceived as overbearing or threatening in the way the proprietal commenting on womens bodies that men are prone to. I can also appreciate the breadth of features that females find attractive in a male seems to be much more, for lack of a better word, interesting than the fairly limited list of features that the majority of males find attractive.

However, I understand that if it is the case that the consensus here is that such comments can make the female members of the community uncomfortable then they should be curtailed accordingly.
posted by asok at 11:36 AM on August 22, 2008

wow, just wow...
posted by HuronBob at 2:13 PM on August 22, 2008

This reminds me of that Verizon FiOs commercial. You know, the one where the Dad says "Wow!" and then the Mom says "Wow!", and the kid says "Wow!", and the cat says "Wow!", and the flea on the cat says "Wow!".
posted by Crabby Appleton at 4:03 PM on August 22, 2008