My New Pony's name is Gigs! January 14, 2008 9:37 PM Subscribe
PonyFilter: MeMuGigs (and not just because it sounds funny), or, by extension, MeFiArts.
I recently posted a song in the black, and wanted to mention that my band was playing a gig that same evening, if anyone wanted to come.
There were three things which made me pause before posting the bit about the gig:
1) I didn't know whether it was more appropriate to post it with the song on MeMu, or on Projects, which no one reads anyway [SFX: rimshot]. (Steal your jokes like I stole your wife. I'll be here all week, folks.)
2) Would it be Pepsi-Bleu-esque to post it with the song?
3) I did not want to imply that this was a meet-up. Not that it was likely that anyone, even if they were local, and they did check the black, and they liked the song, would think this was a meet-up, or could come on such short notice. But, just in case.
In the thread following the post of the song, jessamyn suggested, "You should have a meetup around your next one." Flapjax responded by voicing my original concern (#2). Jessamyn then said, yeah, but there's a difference between having a meetup before a gig (a nice idea, if you're brave enough), versus having the gig be the meetup (wankery), and hey, by the way, "I'd like there to be a gigs option, but there currently isn't" at which point, Flapjax peed himself, a little.
Someone wrote here once that MeMu is cool, in that its ideal is not, "Hey, MetaFilter, I'm in a band, and here's my music;" rather, it's, "I am a MeFi user, and, since I like y'all's ['yinz' if you're from Pittsburgh] opinions, here's something I made with my own sweat/blood/pots-n-pans. Blearrrgh!"
And meet-ups, in my idealistic, never-having-been-to-one way of thinking, should be about yakking to other interesting people who find interesting things interesting, not necessarily centered around one person's event. Meet-ups seem like they should be events in and of themselves.
Now, I think a MeMuGigs thingie would be a great idea, but only if it maintained the spirit of MeMu and the integrity of MeFi, and it doesn't imply a meet-up.
With some sort of tweaking, parameters, restrictions, I think this could be more like that; "Hey, I'm a MeFi user, here's an example, and we're playing at the Here or There in Springfield, on Smarch eleventeenth, and we go on at twenty-five o'clock." Heck, it could even work for other artists having a gallery opening, poetry-reading, weird street performance, or whatever it is you do to rage against the dying of the light.MeFArts! MeFiArts!!
I'm thinking something in a side-bar would look nice.
(Thanks, jessamyn and flapjax! Please direct all snark, praises, and credit to them. Unless, of course, this pony's already been shot, then you throw poo at me.)
languagehat: thanks for reading this far. I know, I know, eight paragraphs is a bit too much to say, "Can we have a gigs doohickey?" Next time, I swear I'll tighten it up. :)
I recently posted a song in the black, and wanted to mention that my band was playing a gig that same evening, if anyone wanted to come.
There were three things which made me pause before posting the bit about the gig:
1) I didn't know whether it was more appropriate to post it with the song on MeMu, or on Projects, which no one reads anyway [SFX: rimshot]. (Steal your jokes like I stole your wife. I'll be here all week, folks.)
2) Would it be Pepsi-Bleu-esque to post it with the song?
3) I did not want to imply that this was a meet-up. Not that it was likely that anyone, even if they were local, and they did check the black, and they liked the song, would think this was a meet-up, or could come on such short notice. But, just in case.
In the thread following the post of the song, jessamyn suggested, "You should have a meetup around your next one." Flapjax responded by voicing my original concern (#2). Jessamyn then said, yeah, but there's a difference between having a meetup before a gig (a nice idea, if you're brave enough), versus having the gig be the meetup (wankery), and hey, by the way, "I'd like there to be a gigs option, but there currently isn't" at which point, Flapjax peed himself, a little.
Someone wrote here once that MeMu is cool, in that its ideal is not, "Hey, MetaFilter, I'm in a band, and here's my music;" rather, it's, "I am a MeFi user, and, since I like y'all's ['yinz' if you're from Pittsburgh] opinions, here's something I made with my own sweat/blood/pots-n-pans. Blearrrgh!"
And meet-ups, in my idealistic, never-having-been-to-one way of thinking, should be about yakking to other interesting people who find interesting things interesting, not necessarily centered around one person's event. Meet-ups seem like they should be events in and of themselves.
Now, I think a MeMuGigs thingie would be a great idea, but only if it maintained the spirit of MeMu and the integrity of MeFi, and it doesn't imply a meet-up.
With some sort of tweaking, parameters, restrictions, I think this could be more like that; "Hey, I'm a MeFi user, here's an example, and we're playing at the Here or There in Springfield, on Smarch eleventeenth, and we go on at twenty-five o'clock." Heck, it could even work for other artists having a gallery opening, poetry-reading, weird street performance, or whatever it is you do to rage against the dying of the light.
I'm thinking something in a side-bar would look nice.
(Thanks, jessamyn and flapjax! Please direct all snark, praises, and credit to them. Unless, of course, this pony's already been shot, then you throw poo at me.)
languagehat: thanks for reading this far. I know, I know, eight paragraphs is a bit too much to say, "Can we have a gigs doohickey?" Next time, I swear I'll tighten it up. :)
This is a really good idea.
posted by humannaire at 9:49 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by humannaire at 9:49 PM on January 14, 2008
Yeah, we all want a gigsfilter internally, but we just need to hash out the details and lay out the boundaries in the best places possible. It's tough to do well which is why we tend to mull over new sections for months when the technical aspects of actually building something can take just a few hours of coding to complete.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:03 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:03 PM on January 14, 2008
I can't wait to see what you come up with--thanks! And I'll be checking out the Teal more regularly; I overlook it much too often.
posted by not_on_display at 10:17 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by not_on_display at 10:17 PM on January 14, 2008
Excellent!
Might I suggest having a reviews/recommendations section on MuFi? If nothing else it could bring in some cash via Amazon referrals. Also, it would keep me checking back. I forget about MuFi for weeks at a time.
posted by Kattullus at 10:21 PM on January 14, 2008
Might I suggest having a reviews/recommendations section on MuFi? If nothing else it could bring in some cash via Amazon referrals. Also, it would keep me checking back. I forget about MuFi for weeks at a time.
posted by Kattullus at 10:21 PM on January 14, 2008
Might I suggest having a reviews/recommendations section on MuFi?
Not sure what you mean, just a list of suggested music people should go out and buy?
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:24 PM on January 14, 2008
Not sure what you mean, just a list of suggested music people should go out and buy?
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:24 PM on January 14, 2008
Suppose someone gigs several times a month and knows all the dates in advance. Possible to put all of the dates into a single post?
posted by LobsterMitten at 10:25 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by LobsterMitten at 10:25 PM on January 14, 2008
Cool idea.
Say I lived in Portland, OR (where a lot of MeMus seem to live); could I post a meet up that, instead of being in a bar is like "Hey, anyone want to sit around and play music?" So not a gig, just a MeMu meet up, y'hear?
posted by Corduroy at 10:31 PM on January 14, 2008
Say I lived in Portland, OR (where a lot of MeMus seem to live); could I post a meet up that, instead of being in a bar is like "Hey, anyone want to sit around and play music?" So not a gig, just a MeMu meet up, y'hear?
posted by Corduroy at 10:31 PM on January 14, 2008
Like a MeMuJam?
posted by not_on_display at 10:41 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by not_on_display at 10:41 PM on January 14, 2008
(That would be... so... cool.)
posted by not_on_display at 10:41 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by not_on_display at 10:41 PM on January 14, 2008
mathowie: Not sure what you mean, just a list of suggested music people should go out and buy?
Well, maybe a sidebar list of recommendations by MeFites that had
1) an amazon link to the CD
2) a link to a review by the user who recommended it.
There's plenty of space below the "Stream the RSS feed" player.
And I would love to do a MeMuJam.
posted by Kattullus at 10:49 PM on January 14, 2008
Well, maybe a sidebar list of recommendations by MeFites that had
1) an amazon link to the CD
2) a link to a review by the user who recommended it.
There's plenty of space below the "Stream the RSS feed" player.
And I would love to do a MeMuJam.
posted by Kattullus at 10:49 PM on January 14, 2008
I love this idea. I don't think it needs to be music specific. I think it should just be anything you're involved in that is open to the general public (or at least open to mefi members). An art gallery showing, a music/dj gig, a play you have a part in, whatever.
posted by empath at 10:52 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by empath at 10:52 PM on January 14, 2008
I love the band gigs idea. Would it be out-of-line for folks to promote artwork and displays of alleged art somehow?
I reside in a MeFi member dead zone. When the artsy-fartsy set of MeFi have works displayed in other zones, how do we invite y'all (W. KY represent!) to gawk at and deride (fancy-pants way of sayin' fall off a pony) or applaud non-musical ventures?
posted by bonobo at 10:53 PM on January 14, 2008
I reside in a MeFi member dead zone. When the artsy-fartsy set of MeFi have works displayed in other zones, how do we invite y'all (W. KY represent!) to gawk at and deride (fancy-pants way of sayin' fall off a pony) or applaud non-musical ventures?
posted by bonobo at 10:53 PM on January 14, 2008
At the risk of looking like a shill, I've been meaning to do an "Upcoming Gigs By MeMu Contributors For This Month" thing on the MeMu Podcast Blog. It'd be great to see this implemented on MeFi proper, but if anyone's interested, send me the info (Who, When, Where, and your band's site) and I'll get it on there.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:57 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:57 PM on January 14, 2008
I would really really really like this to be more general than music. Really.
posted by aubilenon at 11:28 PM on January 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by aubilenon at 11:28 PM on January 14, 2008 [1 favorite]
Me too.
posted by not_on_display at 11:41 PM on January 14, 2008
posted by not_on_display at 11:41 PM on January 14, 2008
Aubilenon, the OP said this:
Heck, it could even work for other artists having a gallery opening, poetry-reading, weird street performance, or whatever it is you do to rage against the dying of the light. MeFArts! MeFiArts!!
It sounds like this has every intention of being broad and inclusive.
posted by Corduroy at 11:44 PM on January 14, 2008
Heck, it could even work for other artists having a gallery opening, poetry-reading, weird street performance, or whatever it is you do to rage against the dying of the light. MeFArts! MeFiArts!!
It sounds like this has every intention of being broad and inclusive.
posted by Corduroy at 11:44 PM on January 14, 2008
An art gallery showing ... whatever.
Seconded, thirded, and nthed ... But if this sort of thing does get going, let's get it going before this weekend, OK? :~)
posted by woodblock100 at 12:40 AM on January 15, 2008
Seconded, thirded, and nthed ... But if this sort of thing does get going, let's get it going before this weekend, OK? :~)
posted by woodblock100 at 12:40 AM on January 15, 2008
I know you people think that I'm just some kind of Upcoming whore (heck, it's not too far from the truth), but while we're waiting for this to be implemented within MetaFilter itself, maybe MeFites could add their events to a group like this, which could get publicised in the sidebar or something, and then we'd all know when MeFites events are happening.
Just as an easy, off-site way to make this happen quickly.
posted by chrismear at 1:20 AM on January 15, 2008
Just as an easy, off-site way to make this happen quickly.
posted by chrismear at 1:20 AM on January 15, 2008
Ooh, if there's some way to add volunteering gigs or events to there, I'm in.
posted by divabat at 2:54 AM on January 15, 2008
posted by divabat at 2:54 AM on January 15, 2008
Just as an easy, off-site way to make this happen quickly.
I think as MeFi grows one thing we're definitely seeing is that for whatever reason the community is really, really valued. And this means that people are wanting, more and more, for MetaFilter to be their central hub. That's why we have MeFiMail now, and why we have projects, and why meetups, which back in the day were something of an oddity, are now a central part of MetaTalk and show up all the time.
If we could somehow get our Metafilter identites to work elsewhere and link up with these other sites (which, to be fair, would be a huge security risk and piss off 85% of MeFites) then it probably wouldn't be as necessary to set up things here. But, for example, if I ever do record a rendition of my world-famous song "Blood on the Snow" I want to post the recording on MeMu, not some random website somewhere else.
posted by Deathalicious at 3:12 AM on January 15, 2008
I think as MeFi grows one thing we're definitely seeing is that for whatever reason the community is really, really valued. And this means that people are wanting, more and more, for MetaFilter to be their central hub. That's why we have MeFiMail now, and why we have projects, and why meetups, which back in the day were something of an oddity, are now a central part of MetaTalk and show up all the time.
If we could somehow get our Metafilter identites to work elsewhere and link up with these other sites (which, to be fair, would be a huge security risk and piss off 85% of MeFites) then it probably wouldn't be as necessary to set up things here. But, for example, if I ever do record a rendition of my world-famous song "Blood on the Snow" I want to post the recording on MeMu, not some random website somewhere else.
posted by Deathalicious at 3:12 AM on January 15, 2008
I think we could maybe generalize this out to MeFi events or a MeFi calendar? I'd certainly like to be notified of gigs / art openings / etc from other MeFites that happen to be happening in my town, and a calendar structure would also allow for stuff like occasional, irregular movie nights that wouldn't necessarily warrant a MeTa post of their own every time.
In the interim I'm in favor of just having a single official, blessed offsite source for calendar info (maybe chrismear's one?). I'm ok with needing to navigate around a bit to find it, but I do think if there is something offsite that gets the mods's imprimatur it should be linked from (say) the MeTa sidebar or somewhere "official" looking.
In terms of Deathalicious's comment about getting our MeFi ID's to work elsewhere, the obvious solution is setting up our MeFi accounts as OpenIDs, which has been discussed before but is obviously something that will require a lot of thinking on the part of the mods before anything is set up.
posted by whir at 3:48 AM on January 15, 2008
In the interim I'm in favor of just having a single official, blessed offsite source for calendar info (maybe chrismear's one?). I'm ok with needing to navigate around a bit to find it, but I do think if there is something offsite that gets the mods's imprimatur it should be linked from (say) the MeTa sidebar or somewhere "official" looking.
In terms of Deathalicious's comment about getting our MeFi ID's to work elsewhere, the obvious solution is setting up our MeFi accounts as OpenIDs, which has been discussed before but is obviously something that will require a lot of thinking on the part of the mods before anything is set up.
posted by whir at 3:48 AM on January 15, 2008
Might I suggest having a reviews/recommendations section on MuFi?
posted by Kattullus
Not sure what you mean, just a list of suggested music people should go out and buy?
posted by mathowie
Perhaps it could be a list, like the "Featured Tracks from the MeFi podcast" one, and once you click on the name of the review you go to its own page. The list could update itself as people write more reviews, and if you want to see older reviews, there could be a "reviews archive" little link. Personally, I'd like it to be more than an Amazon plug. I realize how the Amazon thing is beneficial for the site and I think it's great, but I'd like this Reviews section to also have the option of just recommending something for the sake of it or for stuff that's not findable through Amazon (this meaning, that if something can't be bought in Amazon it could still be reviewed).
There's already a bunch of us doing reviews in different media, and I'm sure people would participate. I, personally, would love it.
Do you think it would possible to have it in that format, math?
posted by micayetoca at 5:36 AM on January 15, 2008
posted by Kattullus
Not sure what you mean, just a list of suggested music people should go out and buy?
posted by mathowie
Perhaps it could be a list, like the "Featured Tracks from the MeFi podcast" one, and once you click on the name of the review you go to its own page. The list could update itself as people write more reviews, and if you want to see older reviews, there could be a "reviews archive" little link. Personally, I'd like it to be more than an Amazon plug. I realize how the Amazon thing is beneficial for the site and I think it's great, but I'd like this Reviews section to also have the option of just recommending something for the sake of it or for stuff that's not findable through Amazon (this meaning, that if something can't be bought in Amazon it could still be reviewed).
There's already a bunch of us doing reviews in different media, and I'm sure people would participate. I, personally, would love it.
Do you think it would possible to have it in that format, math?
posted by micayetoca at 5:36 AM on January 15, 2008
I totally agree with everything you've said, Deathalicious. I was just proposing it as a stopgap solution until something official is implemented on the site (which I'm sure it will be, and jessamyn's ideas sound excellent), in much the same way as meet-ups used to get posted to an Upcoming group way before we had lots of tasty meet-up functionality here on-site.
It's just that this kind of "how can I share my event" has come up many times in the last year at least, so there are clearly some neat things happening with MeFites, and it seems a shame not to get some kind of ball rolling sooner rather than later.
posted by chrismear at 5:54 AM on January 15, 2008
It's just that this kind of "how can I share my event" has come up many times in the last year at least, so there are clearly some neat things happening with MeFites, and it seems a shame not to get some kind of ball rolling sooner rather than later.
posted by chrismear at 5:54 AM on January 15, 2008
This is great. To me, it seems like a better option than "I'm having a show. Let's have a Meetup!" But I also think that MefArts could be a catalyst for Meetups. Just like a Projects post is a test of whether anyone cares enough about your project to post it to Metafilter, an Arts post could be a test of whether anyone cares enough about your show to call a Meetup before it.
posted by roll truck roll at 8:14 AM on January 15, 2008
posted by roll truck roll at 8:14 AM on January 15, 2008
I am a MeFi user, and, since I like y'all's ['yinz' if you're from Pittsburgh]
I'm playing a gig in Pittsburgh tonight! Woo!
posted by ludwig_van at 8:15 AM on January 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
I'm playing a gig in Pittsburgh tonight! Woo!
posted by ludwig_van at 8:15 AM on January 15, 2008 [1 favorite]
This reminds me. Brad Sucks/frenetic is coming to Cambridge, MA in Feb. We need to go to that gig meetup gigup.
posted by Plutor at 12:59 PM on January 15, 2008
posted by Plutor at 12:59 PM on January 15, 2008
not_on_display: "And I'll be checking out the Teal more regularly; I overlook it much too often."
The what?
posted by Plutor at 1:02 PM on January 15, 2008
The what?
posted by Plutor at 1:02 PM on January 15, 2008
It sounds like MeFarts could be pretty funky, and I'm sure its effects could be quite pungent.
posted by blue_beetle at 2:09 PM on January 15, 2008
posted by blue_beetle at 2:09 PM on January 15, 2008
The Teal, meaning MeFiProjects. The screen color looks like my prom date's dress, which she said was "Teal."
posted by not_on_display at 3:13 PM on January 15, 2008
posted by not_on_display at 3:13 PM on January 15, 2008
Seconded, thirded, and nthed
Heh.
Eh? Hmm ... have I missed something here? *... starts hunting ...*
Aha!
nthing ... the textual equivalent of Tourettic nails on a goddamn chalkboard. Almost.
(posted by melissa may)
And I thought we were getting along so well, Melissa-san! Ah well ... win some, lose some ...
posted by woodblock100 at 4:50 PM on January 15, 2008
Heh.
Eh? Hmm ... have I missed something here? *... starts hunting ...*
Aha!
nthing ... the textual equivalent of Tourettic nails on a goddamn chalkboard. Almost.
(posted by melissa may)
And I thought we were getting along so well, Melissa-san! Ah well ... win some, lose some ...
posted by woodblock100 at 4:50 PM on January 15, 2008
ludwig_van: Hope yinz gig goes well and none of the instruments needs tuned. I'll drink an arn for ya.
posted by not_on_display at 7:11 PM on January 15, 2008
posted by not_on_display at 7:11 PM on January 15, 2008
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1. make it an extension of projects so nothing new needs to be built and moderator approval mechanism is still there. Personal gigs only for starters.
2. have a checkbox/calendar when they submit saying "this is a gig, this gig's date is __________________" you can geocode it so it shows up on travel too once travel's up. You can check a box "this is a music gig" so it can show up on mefimu if you wanted.
3. one per user per month, same as projects, this should keep the noise way down and keep it from being a NYC "we're at the bar again!" bulletin board.
4. the "gig" projects get interfiled with the other Meetup threads on the MeTa sidebar and in the RSS feed but have their own RSS feed, do a show/hide thing like on the social sidebar "show: gigs, meetups, all, none" change number shown to 30
5. comments are open on projects that are gigs so people can RSVP
6. possible calendar view, or just an exportable .ics file so people can subscribe if they're nuts like that.
7. checkbox "mefimail me a reminder one day before this gig" or something. maybe too crazy but would be a great feature.
So that's what I was thinking in November-ish. I figure if you gig more than once per month you make people friend you on MySpace.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:44 PM on January 14, 2008 [4 favorites]