I know, we aren't Digg. Or Yahoo Answers. Or Fluther. But I'm curious. April 22, 2010 3:45 PM   Subscribe

So I had this crazy idea while surfing the internet in my apartment with no other living soul except my cats who are currently attempting to bridge the gap between sleep and suspended animation.

I've read a few threads where the OP just doesn't want to take advice from people. This recent thread about a guy finding his stolen guitar is the first example I could find, but there are plenty of others. And there's tons of good advice in that thread that I feel should be marked as a best answer but won't be so if anyone finds the page while searching they won't get the benefit of seeing things marked as best.

Anyway, my idea is to have some way or marking a best answer as determined by everyone but the OP.

Honestly, I'm not even sure if this is a good idea to implement. The usual "We're not Digg/Yahoo Answers/whatever" comments certainly apply. But I do think it's a good enough idea to discuss, even if the full discussion consists of people saying that I'm an idiot for even typing this up.

If it did happen, I'm thinking something along the lines of X number of people mark it as a good answer (where X is something high so that it has to be a pretty good answer to get there), it gets marked in a way that could play nicely with the OP best answer if everyone agrees.

Anyway, I'm not saying that we should do it. I'm just saying we should discuss it.
posted by theichibun to Feature Requests at 3:45 PM (86 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

Favourite this comment if you think favouriting is a reasonable solution.
posted by UbuRoivas at 3:48 PM on April 22, 2010 [144 favorites]


I think the favoriting of responses does this. Really good responses draw plenty of favorites, I have noted, whether or not the OP awards the best answer designation.
posted by bearwife at 3:49 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


I like this idea. But then, I'm usually not allowed on AskMe by my better judgement. We should also call this option the "OP is an idiot" button. Just to avoid confusion.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:50 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


my idea is to have some way or marking a best answer as determined by everyone but the OP.

If favorites don't work for you, then standard practice up to now has been to quote the relevant passage (for truth!) and explain why you think it's the best answer. I like this solution because it effectively expresses consent and encouragement as well as provides an opportunity for personal elaboration in support of the 'best answer'.
posted by carsonb at 3:51 PM on April 22, 2010


FAVORITE THIS COMMENT IF YOU THINK FAVORITING IS THE WAY YOU SPELL IT.
posted by carsonb at 3:54 PM on April 22, 2010 [42 favorites]


apparently people from the U.S. like to add in five letters before and three after when spelling 'it'.
posted by gman at 3:59 PM on April 22, 2010 [27 favorites]


There is no "our" in favorite.
posted by UbuRoivas at 4:01 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


What problem is the site currently having that this change will fix?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:02 PM on April 22, 2010


Whenever I see a question on AskMe that's about personal relationships, whether it's boyfriend and girlfriend, husband and wife, parent and child, teacher and student, boss and employee or whatever, my immediate first urge is to type STAB THEM! STAB THEM ALL! THAT WILL SHOW THEM! as my answer, but so far I've refrained.
posted by infinitywaltz at 4:04 PM on April 22, 2010 [14 favorites]


If you want stackexchange, go find a site powered by stackexchange.
posted by jeffamaphone at 4:05 PM on April 22, 2010 [2 favorites]


there's tons of good advice in that thread that I feel should be marked as a best answer but won't be so if anyone finds the page while searching they won't get the benefit of seeing things marked as best.

I don't see how this is a problem for future people reading the thread. They can still read those answers. All the info they could need will be provided to them. Or, if it's not, then the solution is to post another answer with whatever info is missing.

Anyway, the main point of AskMetafilter is to help the askers with their problems. Any benefit anyone else gets is incidental.

Basically, sometimes you see someone in AskMe being really wrong (in your opinion), and you want some kind of solution so that people (the OP or people who find the thread later) stop having such wrong opinions. There have been many MeTa threads on this general theme, and I doubt any of them has led to the creation of a new feature. This is just the nature of AskMe: there's a question, and then a bunch of answers, and anyone is free to think whatever they think about whatever was said. There's no need to cajole the OP to try to recognize that such-and-such answers are so right. That's the OP's decision.
posted by Jaltcoh at 4:14 PM on April 22, 2010


Isn't an answer with 10+ favorites the functional equivalent of what you're suggesting?
posted by MadamM at 4:17 PM on April 22, 2010


OMG. You can:

Favorite.
Flag as Fantastic.
Comment in the thread.
Post to MetaTalk (not recommended).
Blog about it.
Retweet.
Email people.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!

PS. I'm teasing.
posted by iamkimiam at 4:32 PM on April 22, 2010 [3 favorites]


HD LED ClearWire Internet-enabled T-shirts.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:34 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


Brandon Blatcher: "What problem is the site currently having that this change will fix"

From a random OP in a thread that exists only in my head "But you're wrong and I'm right. I shouldn't have to move out when everything is my fault, just help me convince everyone that I'm right and I should get to stay!"

Can you imagine how something being marked as a best answer would bash them over the head? That would be amazing to watch. Sort of like that first pass Tebow throws against a team that passed him up in the draft that ends up being a perfect 70 yard shot downfield in the air the whole way.

In all seriousness though, as long as favorites don't have a set function I really don't see that as an answer to anything. They're cool, I go and check my answers for them (because it's such a rare occurrence that it makes me happy), but favorites mean many things.

Also, I want a lifetime supply of bacon cheeseburgers and the willpower to actually workout so I don't get fat and die. Short of that, I'll take a house.
posted by theichibun at 4:37 PM on April 22, 2010


While you were writing this post, I favourited your cat. Not saying which one.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 4:37 PM on April 22, 2010 [7 favorites]


UbuRoivas: "There is no "our" in favorite"

I only favourite those who use the King's English. Fie on you traitorous ex-colonists and your Webster's.
posted by Hardcore Poser at 4:46 PM on April 22, 2010 [5 favorites]


Can you imagine how something being marked as a best answer would bash them over the head?

I think you have a rather, umm, not right conception of both human behavior and Ask Metafilter.

If people don't want to accept advice, "bash[ing]" them over the head with it is never going to do anything. The only possible effect is to entrench their wrong opinion, because people resent being preached at and ganged up on.

Also, the point of "Ask Me" is to help real human beings with real, often very serious problems, not to be "amazing to watch."
posted by drjimmy11 at 4:52 PM on April 22, 2010


I'm picturing one of your cats using the other as a suspension bridge from one piece of furniture to the next. Can we hear more about how your cats play the "floor is made of lava" game?
posted by Juicy Avenger at 5:04 PM on April 22, 2010 [4 favorites]


Preferably with pictures!
posted by Juicy Avenger at 5:05 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


This is a terrible idea.
posted by Afroblanco at 5:25 PM on April 22, 2010


FAVORITE THIS COMMENT IF YOU CAN REMEMBER EVEN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS TIMES PEOPLE HAVE HAD THIS IDEA
posted by DU at 5:40 PM on April 22, 2010 [5 favorites]


Can you imagine how something being marked as a best answer would bash them over the head? That would be amazing to watch.

Honestly, I think you'd be underwhelmed in practice. Folks capable of ignoring/rejecting/rebuking an overwhelming-majority consensus right now are likely to be capable of ignoring/rejecting/rebuking a crowd-sourced Best Answer vote just as easily.

This is a human problem, not a feature problem, and ultimately it's something that folks choosing to participate in askme are going to have to be okay with. There is no guarantee that an asker will or won't take or be receptive to any given piece of advice, no matter how strong and collected the support for that advice is.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:42 PM on April 22, 2010 [2 favorites]


I only favourite those who use the King's English. Fie on you traitorous ex-colonists and your Webster's.
posted by Hardcore Poser

You put a "u" in favorite, but not in poseur?
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:30 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


This is a very bad idea.
posted by P.o.B. at 6:48 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


There hasn't been an English King for quite a while. Isn't the King's English limited to "help! let me out of this coffin!" ?
posted by fantabulous timewaster at 6:56 PM on April 22, 2010 [11 favorites]


couffin?
posted by fantabulous timewaster at 6:56 PM on April 22, 2010 [8 favorites]


WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!

Red Velvet Cupcakes. With Blue, White and Green icing.

For everyone. :)
posted by zarq at 7:04 PM on April 22, 2010 [2 favorites]


I AM ALLERGIC TO GREEN FROSTING
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:32 PM on April 22, 2010


What about blue and yellow frosting mixed together?
posted by Babblesort at 7:38 PM on April 22, 2010


NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
posted by Joseph Gurl at 7:42 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


Hail Satan
posted by Damn That Television at 7:44 PM on April 22, 2010


ActingTheGoat: "You put a "u" in favorite, but not in poseur?"

'Zounds! He hath soundly cut me to the quick!
posted by Hardcore Poser at 7:45 PM on April 22, 2010 [4 favorites]


It's the King's English because George II was on the throne when Samuel Johnson published the definitive Dictionary of the English Language, in 1755.

Historical tidbit: the original spelling of cupcake was deliberately altered by Dr Johnson because "coupcake" was considered to be seditious against His Majesty.
posted by UbuRoivas at 7:46 PM on April 22, 2010 [7 favorites]


Historical tidbit: true or not, I don't believe you
posted by Night_owl at 7:52 PM on April 22, 2010


Can I have a different kind of cupcake? I wasn't fond of red velvet cupcakes before I choked on one yesterday and spent the second half of the day coughing cupcake out of my sinuses.
posted by mollymayhem at 8:01 PM on April 22, 2010


Let them eat sinus coupcake!
posted by P.o.B. at 8:08 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


I don't see the purpose of this new addition. What would a community-chosen best answer do to convince a stubborn OP that isn't present already in a regular comment with a bunch of favorites? [Whether an OP who refuses to take any advice other than what they want to hear should even be asking the question is a different topic...]
posted by estlin at 8:22 PM on April 22, 2010


I AM ALLERGIC TO GREEN FROSTING

LET HIM EAT cupCAKE!


We'll make you a blue one. :)
posted by zarq at 8:34 PM on April 22, 2010


i was in ask metafilter with my question being answered but then all of a sudden the ultimate hustler pops up and contributes "yo you've been flagged as noise more often than the estonian bands on eurovision" and i tried to play it away, but then he arranged for everyone to mark my question as "worst" and I was like damn
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 8:35 PM on April 22, 2010 [3 favorites]


Can I have a different kind of cupcake? I wasn't fond of red velvet cupcakes before I choked on one yesterday and spent the second half of the day coughing cupcake out of my sinuses.

Yikes. Glad you're okay.

You can have whatever cupcake you like. :)
posted by zarq at 8:39 PM on April 22, 2010


favorite this comment if you like favorites.
posted by The Whelk at 8:53 PM on April 22, 2010 [2 favorites]


don't you mean "if you like giving favourites"?
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:59 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


Ask Metafilter is a tool designed to allow you to receive answers to questions from the hivemind, not for the hivemind to manipulate you into having a different opinion. In this case, resistance should most definitely not be futile.
posted by l33tpolicywonk at 9:05 PM on April 22, 2010


How do I upvote the paragraph about kitties?
posted by Artw at 9:08 PM on April 22, 2010


DO LIKE KITTENS WOULD VOTE AGAIN
posted by The Whelk at 9:13 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


there's tons of good advice in that thread

There's also some bad advice, and some plain wrong advice. Not to mention one member in particular who needs to be barred from commenting on legal issues, ever. He is prolific and almost invariably wrong. I have noticed this often.

But I don't really like your idea. One of the good things about AskMe, I think, is that each thread almost "belongs" to its poster. The community aspects take a back seat to the theme that AskMe exists to help individuals. I dig that, although I can see why others might not. And that's where I have a problem with the second half of your sentence, that certain so-called good advice "should be" marked as best-answer. Folks can use favorites to endorse advice they like, but implementing a community best-answer seems too much like saying, "Thank you for proposing this question for discussion," as opposed to, "Let's help you with your problem."
posted by cribcage at 9:15 PM on April 22, 2010


FAVORITE THIS COMMENT IF RAINDROPS ON ROSES, WHISKERS ON KITTENS, BRIGHT COPPER KETTLES, WARM WOOLEN MITTENS AND BROWN PAPER PACKAGES TIED UP WITH STRING ARE A FEW OF YOUR FAVORITE THINGS.
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:41 PM on April 22, 2010


favorite this comment if caps lock is not one of your favorite things
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:42 PM on April 22, 2010 [2 favorites]


Thanks zarq. I'll take gingerbread with cream cheese frosting.
posted by mollymayhem at 9:42 PM on April 22, 2010


FAVORITE THIS COMMENT IF YOU THINK CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COLL
posted by The Whelk at 9:44 PM on April 22, 2010


Favourite this comment if your favourite colour is greene, bleu or violette.
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:45 PM on April 22, 2010


favorite this favorite if your favorite favorite favorites favorites with a favorite favorite-favoriting favorizer of some sort.
posted by Mister_A at 10:05 PM on April 22, 2010


Favorwow!
posted by carsonb at 10:08 PM on April 22, 2010


Every time you favorite-whore, Satan gives you ringworm.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:11 PM on April 22, 2010 [2 favorites]


Better than that time my favourite whore gave me the clap.
posted by UbuRoivas at 10:33 PM on April 22, 2010


theichibun: “I've read a few threads where the OP just doesn't want to take advice from people.”

You're framing this in the wrong way, by the by. When the OP doesn't want to accept the advice that people have given, even though it seems like good advice, it means the answerers have failed. They should try harder.

Good advice has to be convincing as well as good. People often like it when you're tough with them, so long as you do it with respect. The trick to offering a really good answer is to stand out, and to inspire the OP to think differently about the question.
posted by koeselitz at 10:34 PM on April 22, 2010 [1 favorite]


Come on, now. They made you pay for that clap.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:35 PM on April 22, 2010


I come bearing gingerbread cupcakes with cream cheese frosting.
posted by stoneweaver at 10:37 PM on April 22, 2010


Gingerbread Cupcakes with Cream Cheese Frosting?
DO WANT
posted by coriolisdave at 10:50 PM on April 22, 2010


Worst $20 I ever spent.
posted by UbuRoivas at 11:23 PM on April 22, 2010


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter and whatever the fuck you're smoking.
posted by special-k at 11:32 PM on April 22, 2010


Burhanistan: "Every time you favorite-whore, Satan gives you ringworm"

I will favorite your comment for money.

/me prepares the antifungal creme for the inevitable result.
posted by idiopath at 12:10 AM on April 23, 2010


they're selling comments for money now... does that mean we get an ROI on our $5?
posted by infini at 12:20 AM on April 23, 2010

Every time you favorite-whore, Satan gives you ringworm
[Strums A minor, taps foot]

Uh huh huh well I woke up this morning
My sarcasm was so banal
Oh huh yeah I woke up this morning
Yeah my sarcasm was so banal
Unless I get more snark in
I ain't gonna get no favourites at all

Well you know my mama told me
Don't you favourite-whore tonight
It's true my mama told me
Don't you favourite-whore tonight
Oh whoa that dermatophytosis baby
That's the Devil's favourite parasite
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 12:36 AM on April 23, 2010 [4 favorites]


Don't favourite this comment if you think people should just read the thread and make their own minds up based on the text and not false indicators of popularity.
posted by seanyboy at 12:50 AM on April 23, 2010 [1 favorite]


Poor Noah Webster and the unfortunate vowel shortage of eighteen aught six.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:12 AM on April 23, 2010


Here's a follow-up request: could we have a function which supplies, to every question, random replies from the total set of AxMoi comments. Thus one may easily check to see whether the question would be more appropriately submitted to a typewriting monkey. GO GO GADGET HYPOTHECATOR:

Q: What should I be doing to help my toddler learn how to greet / join in with his classmates? [more inside]
posted by anonymous to human relations at 3:58 AM - 2 answers (2 new) +

A1: It doesn't sound like you've tried bringing this up in a non-dance situation. Try having this conversation when there's no party to poop on.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:29 AM on April 23 [+] [!]

A2: Look at this way: you've been screwed, your current assignment is much harder than it had to be and it may be difficult to reach the objectives you're assigned.
posted by carterk at 12:53 AM on April 23 [1 favorite +] [!]

A3: I've known lots of Episcopalians who think in those terms. And I've met Episcopalians who don't.
posted by devinemissk at 8:31 PM on April 22 [+] [!]

A4: 1. Go out for drinks.
2. Kiss him.
3. If he reacts negatively, blame the tequila and never do it again.
posted by Jacqueline at 4:58 AM on April 23 [+] [!]

posted by the quidnunc kid at 4:11 AM on April 23, 2010 [10 favorites]


How often should I change my oil? My HVAC filter? Can anyone show me how to shovel snow? Is it OK to eat in the bedroom?
posted by fixedgear at 5:03 AM on April 23, 2010 [2 favorites]


I love that "favorite whoring" is now a term here.

It was inevitable.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 5:26 AM on April 23, 2010


Voulez-vous favorite avec moi?
posted by The Whelk at 8:24 AM on April 23, 2010 [2 favorites]


Wouldn't this just further encourage the people who resist the premises of the question and pretend to have some deep psychological insight into the asker based on two-three paragraphs of text?
posted by hayvac at 8:29 AM on April 23, 2010


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter and whatever the fuck you're smoking.

You are wise to subscribe to my hickory smoked baby back ribs. They are delicious. My newsletter, though... You may want to rethink that choice. It's pretty lame. Nobody wants to hear about my ringworm fetish.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 8:32 AM on April 23, 2010


Here's a follow-up request: could we have a function which supplies, to every question, random replies from the total set of AxMoi comments.

We could call it "Related Answers", and just pull in random responses to a thread's Related Questions.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:36 AM on April 23, 2010 [4 favorites]


voulez vous ... Avec toi ? Oui oui indeed ;p of course it all depends on who exactly you are ...
posted by infini at 9:46 AM on April 23, 2010


If a friend asks "How many cupcakes do you think you can you fit in your mouth?" The correct answer is "one or less."
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:17 AM on April 23, 2010


Use jQuery
posted by Artw at 10:24 AM on April 23, 2010 [1 favorite]


I'm an American but I'm in England right now and I think I'm required to favourite things or they'll kick me out. Also, we passed a cupcake shop today and they spelled it "cupcakes" so I guess that's okay to do.
posted by rtha at 10:56 AM on April 23, 2010


Nobody wants to hear about my ringworm fetish.

Rule 34.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:34 AM on April 23, 2010


with no other living soul except my cats

Wondered why I kept rereading this post and finally realized it is because even though I disagree with your suggestion, I like so much that you know your cats are living souls -- even when in that favorite state, catatonia.

And on the cupcake front, please, gimme a break on the carrot cake/cream cheese frosting drooling. After all, these are available to the cupcake eating world.
posted by bearwife at 11:49 AM on April 23, 2010


*puts glasses on* and that goes for gingerbread/cream cheese frosting too!
posted by bearwife at 11:51 AM on April 23, 2010


Cupcakes .... all this cupcake talk is making me crave my favorite - devil's food cupcakes from the Red Velvet Cupcakery : "A rich chocolate buttermilk cake topped with our Valrhona bittersweet chocolate ganache". Drool ...
posted by gudrun at 8:06 PM on April 23, 2010


Dude. I want some of what you're smoking.
posted by Marie Mon Dieu at 8:06 PM on April 23, 2010


"That would be amazing to watch. Sort of like that first pass Tebow throws against a team that passed him up in the draft that ends up being a perfect 70 yard shot downfield in the air the whole way."

I like the way you think.
posted by oddman at 8:22 PM on April 23, 2010


"That would be amazing to watch. Sort of like that first pass Tebow throws against a team that passed him up in the draft that ends up being a perfect 70 yard shot downfield in the air the whole way.

Wait - when did we the ability to comment when dreaming pony? Neat.

Sweet dreams everybody.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 10:16 PM on April 23, 2010


Could you not get some sort of greasemonkey script that would find the answer with the most favourites? This would also have no impact or influence on the comments in the style of digg etc. Could run through most-favourited top least-favourited?

I don't write code so have no idea what I am talking about, but I have used greasemonkey scripts.
posted by marienbad at 2:33 PM on May 8, 2010


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