Request to update MetaTalk posting page for IE. June 19, 2003 9:18 AM   Subscribe

Dear Matt: given that most people here use IE, when will you modernize the MetaTalk posting page? You've known for ages that anyone hitting the "Back" button to edit their post will lose everything because of IE browser settings.

When will it be as easy as the MetaFilter one? How is someone who knows no HTML supposed to post to MetaTalk with the appropriate links, bold and italic emphases and whatever?
posted by MiguelCardoso to Feature Requests at 9:18 AM (53 comments total)

I have a very strong suspicion that mathowie regrets ever creating MetaTalk and wishes people would stop using it so much. I don't think he wants to improve it.
posted by timeistight at 9:23 AM on June 19, 2003


Boo! Double post!
posted by norm at 9:42 AM on June 19, 2003


Is the assertion that most MeFites use IE actually true? I would have thought that we were more of a Mozilla crowd - or maybe it's just me.
posted by Johnny Assay at 9:44 AM on June 19, 2003


That is due to how browsers cache pages, not how I coded comment or post pages and I have no control over how long IE remembers what you wrote in a textarea.

You don't need a back button on MetaFilter's posting page or comment pages, or MetaTalk's comment pages (you do on MetaTalk's post new thread page because it's a creaking relic of code).

Just use the preview button as many times as you need to, then post comment when you are done.
- mathowie
posted by BlueTrain at 9:47 AM on June 19, 2003


What can I say? You should really download Mozilla. It's better, and continues to improve.

Or just use the site correctly.
posted by rocketman at 9:49 AM on June 19, 2003


Miguel, Mozilla's good, try it.
also, it'll give you many new ideas for Mozilla-related Meta threads, maybe for the occasional Mefi fpp, too.
it's, you know, an "underdog" thing

heh
posted by matteo at 10:08 AM on June 19, 2003


Why use the 'back' button anyway?
posted by mischief at 10:15 AM on June 19, 2003


Mozilla's fine, but I don't think I'm the only one who's looking at this from work, where we don't get to pick our browsers.
posted by soyjoy at 10:27 AM on June 19, 2003


Why use the 'back' button anyway?

Well, it's useful for retreating from pointless, unnecessary threads.
posted by Skot at 10:27 AM on June 19, 2003


I don't think I'm the only one who's looking at this from work, where we don't get to pick our browsers.

So, in other words, please Matt, fix MetaTalk so it'll be easier to use when we're supposed to be working.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 10:29 AM on June 19, 2003


Well, it's useful for retreating from pointless, unnecessary threads.

that's what miguel was trying to do.
posted by quonsar at 11:05 AM on June 19, 2003


XQUZYPHYR: I work from home, you got a problem with that?
posted by MrBaliHai at 11:42 AM on June 19, 2003


Paris: Present day.

"I never thought I would see this place, this city of lights. For It was at a little cafe off the "Champ-dilly-a" that i saw him. At least what i thought was him. It was in a taxi, driving by slowly, that i saw the glance, a mere wisp of the man before the louvered curtain was drawn. As the taxi passed i noticed on the rear of the conveyance, a small placard: B.L.O.R.T.
i asked the matress-dee....
"mister Garson, do you perhaps know the company that cab hires too?

"Hu-huhn mss., alas that is no taxi, that is the automobile of one mss. Du la Pringle"

"this Pringle", I asked, "he is not french no?"

"wee, mss.", "He is not not a frenchman"

What could this mean, I thought aloud...

"It is him"
I was taken aback and rose when the bearded man sat at my table. He took off this fedora, placed his walking stick upon the table and removed his gloves, finger by finger for what seemed an eternity. But when he removed his Pince-Nez i was relieved to discover it was none other then...



{Find out next time who the bearded man is. What the man in the mysterious taxi plans and look for the monographic notes on the 'History of the Victorian Walking Stick: Protection, Concealment and Style'. Also the notes on 'Dust Accumulation in Urban Households' should be ready for publication.}
posted by clavdivs at 11:55 AM on June 19, 2003


Clue 1: City of Lights. Clue 2: Walking Stick. Clue 3: Not French.

It's so obvious that it's Charlie Chaplin, clavdivs. The beard is not fooling me.
posted by iconomy at 12:07 PM on June 19, 2003


avgvstvs.
posted by quonsar at 12:37 PM on June 19, 2003


This metatalk thread is something I just don't get.
posted by norm at 12:48 PM on June 19, 2003


Rats, wrong thread. Consider my previous comment a quirky-yet-clever comment, a la clamdips'. I mean, clavdivs'.
posted by norm at 12:50 PM on June 19, 2003


You're both wrong: it's Hercule Poirot who forgot to wax his mustache, making it look like a beard.
posted by ashbury at 12:51 PM on June 19, 2003


If it's Paris, present day, wouldn't that make Chaplin about 140 and Hercule Poirot even older? It's gotta be Saddam.
posted by norm at 12:54 PM on June 19, 2003


Billy Gibbons?
posted by timeistight at 1:06 PM on June 19, 2003


Billy Gibbons would be cruising in this, not a blort-mobile...
posted by trondant at 1:29 PM on June 19, 2003




Miggy!
posted by dash_slot- at 1:34 PM on June 19, 2003


GET BACK TO WORK, NORM!
posted by daveadams at 1:38 PM on June 19, 2003


You've known for ages that anyone hitting the "Back" button to edit their post will lose everything because of IE browser settings.

Miguel, what's gotten into you lately? You used to be kind and generally respectful, especially of Matt. Now all I see is a stubborn, demanding child begging for someone to fix his problems for him. Take some responsibility for yourself, Migs.
posted by daveadams at 1:41 PM on June 19, 2003


I agree.
posted by Pineal Eye at 1:42 PM on June 19, 2003


Matt, there's a bug in the system...all these weird posts keep getting made to metatalk-is it a IE problem or can you fix it from your end?
posted by konolia at 1:47 PM on June 19, 2003


Screw you Dave! I refuse! (where can you find the, er, cabal these days, anyway? What's your kyu?)
posted by norm at 1:47 PM on June 19, 2003


Dave? The more time I spend here the more I admire and thank Matt for his work and vision and the enormous pleasure and intelligence he's brought me. I freely admit that I have nothing but praise for the man.

I was merely commenting on a discrepancy: that it's much easier to post to MeFi than to MeTa.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:51 PM on June 19, 2003


Migs, it is highly probable that Matt wishes it were MORE difficult to post to MeTa right now...

But honestly, you have such a rhythmical, flowing, elegant prose to your most prosaic post, that we all are deceived into thinking you are trying to make Something out of Nothing. I almost wish I could read Portuguese.

I could post on the same topics as you but get away with it.
posted by konolia at 1:58 PM on June 19, 2003


MiguelCardoso has posted 104 threads and 2053 comments to MetaTalk

thank god you've managed to struggle through...
posted by mookieproof at 1:59 PM on June 19, 2003


*sound of exploding laughter*
posted by carter at 2:11 PM on June 19, 2003


He'll never reach 400.

*sound of ominous laughter from the direction of Portugal*
posted by languagehat at 2:16 PM on June 19, 2003


You've known for ages that anyone hitting the "Back" button to edit their post will lose everything because of IE browser settings.

It doesn't work in IE because IE is not W3C compliant.

Should you be forced to shop at Wal Mart just because everyone else does?
posted by the fire you left me at 2:46 PM on June 19, 2003


it's much easier to post to MeFi than to MeTa.
Thank your god for small mercies, because that is how it should be.
posted by dg at 2:58 PM on June 19, 2003


Text boxes are just bad text editors and browsers are unstable and stupid. Use an external word processor if you care about your data. Not to mention http is a connectionless protocol, so even a mild network problem could make you lose all your data. We're all just using the wrong tool for the job.

Its a good habit to get into, especially if you're writing more than a few sentences.

Now if I could convince web designers to stop embedding everything and spawn an external player so a QT glitch doesn't send all my browser windows crashing.
posted by skallas at 3:43 PM on June 19, 2003


try shopping at scotmid day in day out before you bring your whining ass over to me about walmart !
posted by sgt.serenity at 7:32 PM on June 19, 2003


But, sgt., "The Scottish Midland Co-operative once held a Royal warrant for keeping the Queen's carriages in good repair." Let's see Sam Walton say that!
(why do I click some of these links?!?)
posted by wendell at 7:45 PM on June 19, 2003


yeah , notice the 'once' , that's all im sayin.
posted by sgt.serenity at 7:47 PM on June 19, 2003


Doesn't work in IE != "bug"
Doesn't work in IE == "feature"
posted by eustacescrubb at 8:53 PM on June 19, 2003


from work, where we don't get to pick our browsers.

Eh? Huh? What does that mean? It's a computer, with a net connection, isn't it - what's stopping you?
posted by Mars Saxman at 8:57 PM on June 19, 2003


Firewalls, company policies on installing software without authorisation, locked-up workstations with no administrator rights, thin-client machines....
Is that enough to start with?
posted by dg at 9:15 PM on June 19, 2003


Bah! In my day, laddie, we dinnae need no fancy web browsers! We used telnet clients--that we wrote ourself--in machine code--for the Vic 20! And we dinnae hae none o' this wussy broadband rot neither, it were carrier pigeons! Every day we'd lose a coupla' dozen packets to being eaten by cats--not 'ousecats either, these were wild cougars what roamed the boulevards lookin' for easy pickins'--and we hae' our error correction checksums tae do on abacuses! If they dinnae come oot right, it'd be "Ay, 131.28.71.1"--we dinnae hae no fancy DNS in them days either--"could ye retransmit that last packet? It mustae gotten drafted tae work on one ae them Dickensian shoe factories what keep poppin up like."

But ye try tellin' that to kids these days...
posted by arto at 10:19 PM on June 19, 2003


>from work, where we don't get to pick our browsers.

You mean you dont have a laptop and a sucker nearby with an open wireless access point? Ouch.
posted by skallas at 10:35 PM on June 19, 2003


yeah, arto, I'm with you. I'm trying to make the guy at the end of the phone line speak faster, but no, he goes like: zero... one... zero... zero... zero... err, make that "one" (that was error correction)... zero...
posted by MzB at 10:37 PM on June 19, 2003


Don't work at such a shoddy, paternalistic institution is my only advice.
posted by adamgreenfield at 11:09 PM on June 19, 2003


Sorry, Adam, but when applying for a job, the question "Do I get to pick my own browser?" is not in my top ten. I guess it is in yours, though. Chacun a son goo.
posted by soyjoy at 7:10 AM on June 20, 2003


Sorry, Adam, but when applying for a job, the question "Do I get to pick my own browser?" is not in my top ten.

However, "Do I get to administer my own computer, or do you lock it down like a bunch of Nazis so I can't do anything useful with it without your explicit approval?" certainly should be.

Also, "Do you mind if I post to Web sites that have nothing to do with work on company time?" is always a good question to ask at the interview. ;)
posted by kindall at 8:21 AM on June 20, 2003


Don't work at such a shoddy, paternalistic institution is my only advice.

Yeah, fight the power, dude.

I'm lucky I have as much freedom as I do, which isn't much. Anyone who works in anything even remotely related to health care will soon grok restrictive software policies.
posted by Skot at 8:49 AM on June 20, 2003


Anyone who works in anything even remotely related to health care will soon grok restrictive software policies.

Damn HIPAA regulations...
posted by norm at 9:47 AM on June 20, 2003


MiguelTalk?
posted by Dark Messiah at 11:31 AM on June 20, 2003


aw, so cute!

And here I thought the Browser Wars ended years ago.

One day you will all behold the awesome power that is Opera, and then all of this pointless bickering will be seen as just that.
posted by kaibutsu at 1:26 AM on June 22, 2003


I dunno man, I think Opera's a cool browser and all, but Jack "Stripes" White went all the way to Wichita just to avoid it.
posted by arto at 1:42 AM on June 22, 2003


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