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Also, you're a coward for posting from your sockpuppet account.Oh, baloney. I'm not about to go through the profiles of each person who's posted in this thread, but I'd bet at least 75% of them aren't using their real names, or even a form of their real names, and that at least a third don't have contact information. The condescension and outright mocking that the post has recieved more than justifies him semi-anonymity. And the anonymity is, indeed, only semi--that account has been in use for two years, and, again, without doing the research, I'd be willing to bet that he's posted more comments under that name than some of the commenters here have under theirs.
"Do we have to do this every time there’s a boob post? [...] The next time there’s a kitten-related Metafilter post I’m gonna complain about it. Not because I’ll have strong feelings, but because somebody else might and I just wanna make a call-out because, well, I have no idea. Because it’s something That Must be Done, I guess. Because we gotta complain about every goddamn thing here."I apologize, I only got 3/4 of the way down the thread, but I'm really hungry and I need to eat and get working on other things. I think it's safe to make some basic generalizations about how women's conversations about misogyny/boyzone are received currently.
"And can we drop the "boyzone" bullshit? Say "sexist" if that's what you mean."
"Definately not a post to get worked up about, not that that will stop anybody."
"How sexist are you to assume that a post about boobs is strictly for guys?"
"All this outrage is so UNBELIEVABLY tiresome."
"Uhm.... anyone that really thinks that the MeFi environment "discourages female participation" needs to get out more."
"Well at least we found someone who's actually offended by the post... I was worried this was going to fizzle out."
""boyzone always a negative thing?"
Apparently it made a bunch of people leave. Judging by the remaining people who get het up about it that's probably a major plus for it."
"So...wait...people are shocked that guys like breasts?"
"I think it's the endless, repetitive discussion of whether or not there's a sexist atmosphere at MetaFilter that folk are finding tiresome."
"I am oppressing them with my words RIGHT NOW."
"It just seems that, after the many (useful, valuable, enlightening) discussions on this topic to date, there's little to be gained by another thousand-odd comments on the same topic."
"I realize that people are going to talk about and complain about whatever they want, but for whatever it's worth, the "is MeFi sexist" posts are really tiresome to me."
"I don't whine about knitting or kitties or any of the hundreds of other topics that get discussed here that I am not interested in." [* later retracted]
"please will you GO AWAY" [* later retracted]
"I actually enjoy watching people get all hissy about stuff like this. It's an amusing way to cap off the day."
"Yeah, guess I've gotten sick of the complaining."
"[...] I hate prissiness worse than poison and ofterntimes concern takes a sharp left right into that around here."
"yes, dirty words will end the world. Like I said, prissiness, pure and simple."
"A wise man once said something to the effect of "I support feminism, really I do. That dosen't mean I wanna listen to it all the time.""
""This MeTa thread has lowered my opinion of this community. I'm sorry about that."
We'll live."
"Your stereotypes [about men]. You know where to stick them."
"Are you really that dense that you can't see [reverse] sexism when it's staring you in the face?"
"Yes, we're all neanderthals. Yay for enlightened thinking. Good for you. How very progressive."
"Metafilter is a cesspool of discrimination. It must be cleaned... sterilized. Such conduct should be made illegal, along with other anti-social behaviour. No one must ever become offended again."
"We should also add a stronger "thoughtcrime" tag to the existing "offensive/sexism/racism" tag."
"Thoughtcrime tag? Why not just indicate M or F in profile? We can presume the rest, surely."
"oh, christ, this again?"
"can we please have fewer posts & callouts like this, so people can contribute to other threads?"
"OMG I am so outraged. Wait, what are we outraged about this week?"
When I hire, if someone gives me trouble about the set flat starting wage in the interview, I don't hire them. I don't want them; I set the budget and wages, and that's the deal. If you don't want to work here, that's mutual; I don't want you here with an inflated sense of self-importance or need for external approval and possibly resulting bad attitude. In almost every workplace, everyone is replaceable.I guess I took that to have that "fuck negotiations" attitude I used to paraphrase you. Sorry if I'm mischaracterizing you.
Your skills are a commodity, and your negotiation with an employer is a business transaction in which you are selling your skills to a purchaser.It's basically assumed that the potential employer is going to look out for their own best interests to the exclusion of all other considerations, up to and including your compensation and general happiness, so you are effectively acting as your own agent, and negotiating as hard as you can for as much as you can, because nobody else is looking out for your interests.
I guess the culture in my field is that you just generally assume your boss isn't screwing you too hard. No one's getting insanely rich in NPFs, and the budget is a matter of public record, so you can see everything anyway.At my own considerable peril, I wonder if this is an example of the negotiations fitting the industry: perhaps there's more of a "we're all in this together" attitude in NPFs than the fundamentally antagonistic "I'm going to get mine and you're going to get yours" attitude of the for-profit world.
posted by Perplexity at 6:11 AM on August 6, 2008 [19 favorites]