August 2004 Archives (all archives)
August 31
can you please post the spoiler from this The Office post to the "more inside"?
Matt, can you please post the spoiler from this The Office post to the "more inside". And in general, can people please not put spoilers on the front page. It's pretty lame. And if you are going to include spoilers on the more, a warning on the front page would be nice. Thanks! (NOTE: don't click the link if you haven't seen all of The Office!)
Any other similar sites?
Metafilter is one of those sites I visit when I've got 2 seconds to rub together, and the rubbing won't intrude too much on my train of thought. I read the posts, and I can dive in when something seems too entertaining to pass up. Other sites that hit me the same way: Boing Boing, Fark, and /.. However, on a particularly loathsome day of work related idiocies, I find that I can exhaust those sites pretty quickly (particularly since I let my TotalFark subscription lapse). Does anyone have other locations that are equal parts whimsy and serious thought?
No one has posted about the new iMac yet? (Aug2004)
Not just minutes, but HOURS have gone by, and no one has created a post regarding the new iMac. This seems bizarre for Metafilter. Am I missing something?
August 30
Troll is so ... quaint
"Troll" may have a respectable lineage on the Web but, frankly, for some of us who joined later in the day, it seems like a quaint, medieval way of classifying anyone who's the least bit provocative, thought-provoking or even unorthodox. Recently, any forceful, strongly-worded attempt to spark discussion with a non-mainstream viewpoint, generally from the Left, has been lamely denounced as a "troll". Could it be time to give the ye olde troll accusation a well-deserved rest? I hope so. The English language is one of the richest in the world and troll sounds parochial, pimply, nerdish, cliquey, incestuous and, ultimately, meaningless.
Speaking out against the GPL
"Thank you for demonstrating why I speak out against the GPL and in favour of BSD at every opportunity"Heh... we can already see you'll make the opportunity on the mefi homepage.
--Reklaw
Examples of excellent posts to inspire
There have been a number of discussions about threads that are not "the best" or that are "(your cause here)filter". As an alternative to commenting on the worthiness of a post after it has been posted to the blue, does anyone think that it might be a good idea to post somewhere examples of what a really good post might be like, as an inspiration to posters yet to come?
Gmail Invites
Would anyone here like a Gmail account? I'm an antisocial bastard, and have 6 to give away. First posted - first served.
Update: San Francisco Meetup on September 10, 7 PM, Zeitgeist
UPDATE: MeFiSF, September 10 (Friday), 7 PM, Zeitgeist (Duboce and Valencia). This represents a change of date and venue from the original plan. Email me if you want to be reminded via email.
Callout: soapboxing goes too far
This thread has become Seth's Sandbox - I'm posting this MeTa thread in the hope of moving that stream of discussion to its appropriate locale.
Catholic Bashing
More immediate Catholic Bashing. [more inside]
August 29
*Filter
IT'S ON! ...okay. I'll bite. It's on what?
UK Meetup
Continuing the meetup theme, UK anyone? Step inside.
DC Meetup on September 2, 2004
DC Meetup.
I'm Selfish. I'm going to be in DC tomorrow thru fri. Any interest in a meetup on Wednesday night? I'll be in the downtown region (near Farragut West.) We could make it a happyhourish thing. I've never been to a meetup. And I know all you DCites want to meet a real philadelphian.
I'm Selfish. I'm going to be in DC tomorrow thru fri. Any interest in a meetup on Wednesday night? I'll be in the downtown region (near Farragut West.) We could make it a happyhourish thing. I've never been to a meetup. And I know all you DCites want to meet a real philadelphian.
Minneapolis post-meetup
Since the Minneapolis post-meetup essentially fell apart a couple weeks ago, is there any interest in attempting another informal gathering?
the wry wit of fellow MeFites
I come for the FPPs, but I stay for the comments. Articles and whatnot are dandy, but nothing compares to the wry wit of fellow MeFites. What are some of the gems you've come across that have shone so brightly you couldn't help but archive (or even bookmark) something so poignant that a fellow MeFite has shared?
August 28
Coral links prevent mefi-effect
The future of the Internet? If your posted site is getting mefi'ed, you might consider also providing a link from Coral. Coral is a p2p network that replicates content across participating servers. Heres metafilter through Coral.
giving credit where credit is due
What's the etiquette for VIA if you're emailed a link by a blogger, but that link's not actually on their blog? Should one just not provide a VIA or should you link to the blog anyway to give credit where it's due?
August 27
New policy on election/iraq/political posts?
So, I notice there's a link in the sidebar to Devoter, and I was just wondering: is there a new policy about election/iraq/political posts? Should they be moved over to Devoter? Are you going to start deleting political threads here, Matt?
Austin meetup
Austin last minute meetup at the Gingerman tonight? About 9pm in the back (outdoor) part? Anyone?
what is the origin of the "Pepsi Blue" reference?
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the origin of the "Pepsi Blue" reference? I've waded through several searches, but cannot find The Original post to which it refers.
August 26
Pittsburgh Meetup
I looked at my profile today and was shocked to see how many people are suddenly residing in zip codes near mine. Any interest in a Pittsburgh MeFi gathering?
Worst FPP ever?
Worst FPP ever? There's plenty of marginally psychotic fetishes out there. This one is neither unusual nor entertaining. There are plenty of specialty sites for this crap (Stile, Rotten), so it would stand to reason that only the most entertaining of it, if any, should make it to Mefi, a more general-interest site.
Burning Man Meetup
I posted Hackworth's proposed Burning Man meetup coordinates at MonkeyFilter. It looks like we have the makings of a small MoFi/MeFi meetup (a first?). Time & place inside.
Cue the disparaging remarks about BM and MoFi (or - imagine this - just keep them to yourself!)
Cue the disparaging remarks about BM and MoFi (or - imagine this - just keep them to yourself!)
Let me tread carefully here.
Let me tread carefully here. Is there a legit way people could post entire articles that require payed subscription (Atlantic, Salon, TNR, etc.) for the rest of us who have no subscriptions?
Toronto Meetup
Last-minute Toronto meetup this weekend: to welcome a MeFite visiting from out of town. (more inside)
Spend more time phrasing your question so AskMe is awesome
The format of Ask Metafilter questions is still something that bothers me a little. To my mind, this is the ideal question style. It takes up five lines, but all the necessary information is expressed briefly on the front page. Next best thing: a post can't be compressed into a reasonable length, but judicious use of [More inside] whilst still giving enough information on the fornt page gives people an indication of how much help they can likely offer. This is ridiculous, however. Five lines occupied on the front page, of which only one word is of any use. The [More inside] then takes us to a statement of the question in - quess what? - only three lines. I think people should spend a little more time posing their queries so as to make the Ask.me front page as useful as possible.
NYC Meetup
update: tonight's the NYC meetup, welcoming falconred to our quaint little town at this place--more here
MeFi in Guardian
Fear the wrath of bloggers : The Guardian cites MetaFilter in a short piece on the Athens
2004 linking policy.
2004 linking policy.
August 25
More moreinside please
more inside. metaphilter uses an auto-more-inside box that generates the [more inside] link and adds the extra bit of the comment in, formatted as if it were the first post.
as it stands now, posters need to be quick or the more inside will end up as comment number 2 (rare, but i've seen it happen). any chance we can duplicate the metaphilter model on this one?
as it stands now, posters need to be quick or the more inside will end up as comment number 2 (rare, but i've seen it happen). any chance we can duplicate the metaphilter model on this one?
"oops! god no, i take it back!" button
Speaking of the Value of D'oh: crush-onastick suggested a "oops! god no, i take it back!" button and ook added "But it should disappear once somebody else has posted after you, so people can't delete something from the middle of a thread.". I thought it was a good idea, but I should: I suggested the same thing in February 2000, only I wanted to call it a "D'oh" button. Less a pony, more an old grey mare?
Why isn't ask.metafilter.com linked to in the blue?
Why isn't ask.metafilter.com linked to in the nav of the blue like it is in the grey ?
spreading FUD
The doom & gloom cyberterrorism FPP is a rote misquoting of an innacurate slashdot headline. While the subject is discussion-worthy, it's presented as overanxious FUD, relating a "Who knows what tomorrow will bring?" essay as an de facto overnight forecast.
Swift Boat FPP callout
This post is nothing more than a mini op-ed piece about the top news story (at the time) that takes up too much real estate on the home page and has been discussed to death already. IMO, if your FPP has one link and needs a "more inside...", you need to rethink it's place here.
deleting metatalk, broken blogad
Two things:
1. Deleting metatalk threads is bad karma.
2. The "don't pardon big tobacco" blogad is broken -- apostrophes ['] and quotes ["] are displaying as question marks [?] (this is strange, since quotes are displaying fine in the other blogad).
1. Deleting metatalk threads is bad karma.
2. The "don't pardon big tobacco" blogad is broken -- apostrophes ['] and quotes ["] are displaying as question marks [?] (this is strange, since quotes are displaying fine in the other blogad).
Is this the first post with no comments??
Is this a new record? I knew I could set one somehow. Don't ruin the perfect 0!
August 24
It was SO not a double!
I posted this entry that was deleted because "previously." The linked entry did not contain the same link and was marginally about the same subject. What gives?
We're not getting into posting wars with other sites, are we?
Hey this is what the guys over here at this partisan extremist forum think. What do you guys think? Let's chat.
For future reference, does this mean the ban is lifted on LGF links? Are we going so far down the road that DU forums are now acceptable linkworthy posts? DoesMatt anyone care anymore?
For future reference, does this mean the ban is lifted on LGF links? Are we going so far down the road that DU forums are now acceptable linkworthy posts? Does
Mixed bag
Multiple Metatalk things. Your amaglyda and why politics on MetaFilter achieves nothing, outsourcing Ponies and a free meal at Wagammama. (more inside >>)
August 23
New Jersey Meetup
Since Metafilter meetups seem to be all the rage these days--is anyone interested in a New Jersey-area meetup?
Firefox Bug
IE6 - opens new links in new window [as it's s'posed to];
Firefox 0.9.1 - doesn't.
I take it that's a FF bug, not a Mefi one?
Firefox 0.9.1 - doesn't.
I take it that's a FF bug, not a Mefi one?
San Francisco Meetup
That NY, taunting us with its rich meetup culture! For the less spontaneous, Meetup.com just suggested September 7, and scarabic and I put it on our calendars. Meetup.com also suggested (for SF) Jillian's, which is conveniently located at the Metreon (4th and Mission) but has little else to recommend it. In the past, scarabic has suggested other places, too. How about it?
NYC Meetup
Quickie NYC coffee/drinks meetup? Weds. or Thurs night, and I'm calling out amberglow to suggest the venue. Your suggestions welcome inside.
August 22
Could we have a post comment button on the comment page?
Could we have a post comment button on the comment page? Going through preview is unnecessary in a lot of cases, and in the cases where it is necessary people aren't going to let the extra step actually force them into previewing. Also, since it looks like preview for html character entities is going to remain broken for the time being, being able to hit preview and then going back and hitting post comment if all is well would be preferrable to having to preview and then fix up the entities again (or copying and pasting).
"I'm making shit up to provoke a reaction."
Trolling MetaFilter is not very useful: "I'm making shit up to provoke a reaction."
Strip extra line breaks?
Deletion Reasons
I know this has been requested before, and I understand that it may be an extremely time-consuming feature, but please, if possible Matt, could you give us reasons for deletion in MeTa and AskMeFi? I really think that it helped in MeFi and will probably help prevent repeated mistakes made in AskMeFi.
August 21
Trolling AskMe
August 20
MeFi food swap?
MeFi swap for food? Zpousman asked about it in the moving thread from the gentleman in NYC whose lovely wife misses her home. I am sending a modest care package to the South and have been offered something southern in return - and I don't even know what's down there, let alone crave anything from there. Does someone terribly miss something that can be obtained in Florida? Grumblebee? Are Mrs Grumble's GooGoo Cluster needs met? In my fantasy, someone in upstate NY is dying for something Southern and then turns around and sends me cookies from the Ithaca Bakery.
This AskMe has torrents for answers.
Sponsored Links were really hard to read.
I did a google search on askMe and got great results, but I noticed that the Sponsored Links were really hard to read. (For example) Light grey and yellow on a pale green/blue. I don't know what the click throughs are on the Google searchs, or how important / significant this revenue is. Nor do I care. The Google Ads are readable and unobtrusive and fit well everywhere else in the MeFi domain. This one spot seems like a small oversight. Worth fixing? Not my call.
Blogads for logged out users?
Blogads?
August 19
Askme is for answering the question
ParisParamus, cut it out. Please. Your hateful spewing on AskMe does not help anyone. You're not "bucking the lefty trend", you're just being a jerk, and polluting an otherwise useful resource. If you really feel the need for release, please be considerate, and try to keep it in the blue. Everyone else, stop feeding the troll. Please.
metafilter gets a big shout out in the author's acknowledgements!
metafilter gets a big shout out in the author's acknowledgements! - i was going to save this for sept 1, when dong's book will be officially released, but in light of wendell's missing tink post i figure now is as good a time as any.
August 18
Donations to Mefi warmly accepted
Remember all those times you said "I'd pay to help keep MetaFilter safe and running more smoothly"? Here's your chance.
looking for a link - John Kerry being grilled
Right around the Democratic Primaries, I followed a link I saw here to an article about John Kerry, where he was grilled for a while by Dem-friendly (but anti Iraq war) journalists about why he cast a vote for the resolution that gave Bush the power to go to war. I can't find this now. Can anyone help?
Looking for an ex-husband
Who is right, in the US centric vs Newsfilter debate
What does the reaction to this post tell us? Myabe it's just a statistical blip, but I'm a bit surprised at the very vocal negative reaction to this bit of US-centric front-page/TV news as contrasted to the reaction to the NewsFilter posts we get every single day. Why are the naysayers in this thread right when the anti-NewsFilteristas are not? What, exactly, is different?
August 17
Is there any way to get more entries defaulting to the front page of the green?
I posted a question to the green yesterday evening and it's gone already. Is there any way to get more entries defaulting to the front page of the green? I would think 24 hours min would be better. 48 Would be ideal... Please?
August 15
mefi is an american weblog
MetaFilter is an American weblog. Europeans here, whether British or continental, are mere tokens. Perhaps we should all give up the international pretense. The truth is that MetaFilter, for those of us not lucky (or, to be frank, unluckly) enough to live in the U.S. or Canada, is fast becoming a domestic concern with an ever-decreasing regard for what happens in the (enormous) rest of the world. Whereas (the few remaining) Europeans here are curious about America, Americans here seem boringly and predictably obsessed with themselves. Is isolationism the growing trend on this board? It certainly seems so. Say the word, by the way, and you can have it all to yourselves, no hard feelings.
It is not a good idea but it's a stone's throw away...
It is not a good idea but it's a stone's throw away...
MetaFilter mentioned in NY Times and on NPR
Every e-mail discussion list, Web bulletin board and group blog is an example of collective intelligence at work. Do you want to know where "memes" start? Try the group blogs www.metafilter.com and boingboing.net...
From Online Diary: A Last Look at Web Destinations (NYT)
He checks in with two blogs every day -- Boing Boing and MetaFilter -- which feature content from multiple bloggers and provide links to everything from legal documents to book reviews...
From A Blogger's Take on Summer Reading (NPR)
Metafilter:The Boing Boing It's OK To Like ?
From Online Diary: A Last Look at Web Destinations (NYT)
He checks in with two blogs every day -- Boing Boing and MetaFilter -- which feature content from multiple bloggers and provide links to everything from legal documents to book reviews...
From A Blogger's Take on Summer Reading (NPR)
Metafilter:The Boing Boing It's OK To Like ?
status.metafilter.com independent or not?
Matt: when you setup status.metafilter.com, wasn't it supposed to be independent of the Mefi server? I don't get how come they were both down at the same time last night.
August 13
Dragon Go players?
Since I started this AskMe thread about the game of go a couple of weeks ago, I've taught myself the basics, and I've just opened an account on the Dragon Go Server. Are there any other MeFites around that want to join along with me? Now's the time--if you're an absolute beginner then you'll be certain to have at least one other total newbie to play against, and if you know something about go, then you can start schooling me. (My ID over there is Prospero--same as here.)
This post is about as smart as a box of hammers.
This post is about as smart as a box of hammers.
Linking to someone's MT install? What?
really, matt, not all that difficult a problem to fix. especially when the first comment gave you a corrected link, and with the beginnings of a good debate already in place. tsk.
August 12
Who wins the google war
Clash Of Teh Titans.
AskMe inspired job
Thank you thank you, AskMe! [more specific thanks inside]
The origin of tags on AskMetafilter
SmallRequestFilter! The trend in Ask.Metafilter toward beginning posts with "XYZFilter!" is, I realized, an example of a feature added by users on their own. This way of starting posts is useful since it creates context immediately ("This post is about Cats!") and also self-categorizes. Why not formalize this so that when you create an ask.mefi post it asks you for a free-form category (e.g. cats). Then your post would look like this:
Cats: So, yesterday my cat fuzzy started doing something really strange....
And thus no more need for BlahBlahFilters.
Cats: So, yesterday my cat fuzzy started doing something really strange....
And thus no more need for BlahBlahFilters.
Are all of you crazy or in jail?
Sometimes I wonder just how many MeFites write from mental hospitals or incarceration of various kinds (acutely confining job, marriage, jail, etc.). Not that there is anything wrong with that, just that the anger and the obsession quota seems to be quite high, and destructive.
August 11
Watching Threads
How much flak will I catch if I start using "." to mark threads that I want to track on my "My Comments" page? I ask because there are several interesting threads that I want to monitor but in which I don't necessarily wish to post a message.
August 10
Em dash question
Question: When I use a a character code in a post, for example, — (em dash) it turns into the character when I press "preview", if I forget to replace the actual character with it's code what appears in my comment is unpredictable.
Is it OK to have one of the links be a self link to photos that relate to the post?
Question: Is it a self link to post your own photos of an event you had nothing to do with, except by your presence? I even discovered the event online.
Please delete this spoofed comment
Matt, would you please delete this comment? It's not actually a comment that I posted, rather a clever bit of coding by Pretty_Generic, made to look like it's my post. Cute, but not cool. Thanks!
Too many New Yorker links?
New Yorker Filter? I've noticed a fairly steady stream of posts to New Yorker articles. Now, I love the New Yorker, but I also like other periodicals. People finally seem to have topped posting Onion articles to the front page. Perhaps an end to NY FPPs would also be nice. Or am I totally bonkers?
August 9
Why doesn't Search Metafilter work?
Why doesn't Search Metafilter work?
Minneapolis Meetup
Saturday, 8/14/04 6pm-?: Town Hall Brewery, Minneapolis, MN.
Animated Ad
Has the Bigha ad (here) always been an animated gif? It's fairly subtle (head swings left and right), but it was jarring nonetheless.
August 8
Login errors
several people are noting thisafternoon that having logged out, they are now unable to log back in.
How much cash would it take for Matt to quit his job and devote himself to moderating Mefi?
mathowie has written that if it generated enough cash he'd quit his job and devote himself to moderating and maintaining MetaFilter. This prompts two questions:
Where's Amberglow?
Where's Amberglow? I was supposed to meet him yesterday before the NYC meetup. Last I heard from him (12.30) he was gonna come. Then he didn't show up for either our thing or the meetup. So that's 24 hours now, and I'm getting a little worried. Is there anyone out there who has a number and can check on him?
August 7
Logging onto MeFi via a Sidekick is currently impossible.
Logging onto MeFi via a Sidekick is currently impossible. Is there any quick fix to this? The Sidekick browser times out when trying to access the Login_action.cfm page. Matt has said this probably won't get fixed. But is there something in the coldfusion code that can be slightly tweaked to allow logging in? I know of at least a handful users that would love to be able to access their mefi account on their Sidekick.
August 6
what is the system bottleneck that makes new users a bad thing?
Matt - speaking curiously, what is the system bottleneck that makes new users a bad thing? I presume it's database load, because the logged-in user enjoys comment counts and other database-intensive features that are demanding to serve. The static, logged-out homepage is easy to serve, even to a large number of visitors, by comparison, right? The real danger number to watch is the pageviews by logged-in users (please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm totally guessing). Are there features we could sacrifice for the sake of an open reg? What are you all willing to give up to open the gates? User comment history? Custom timezones and comment previews...?
newsfilter
NSFW CFML SNAFU
Maybe some html tags should be disabled.
I wonder if it would be worthwhile to disable some HTML tags to prevent ...poster shock as it were. I've noticed the 'comment by x' nested inside a comment by 'y' in several threads already, and there seems little to prevent a similar slight of hand on an actual FPP. Too nitpicky?
Did anyone else noticed the membership count changing in the blue?
Did anyone else noticed the membership count changing in the blue? It seemed like it dropped from the 17000's down to 16896.
Open tag.
August 5
TiVo industry observer mathowie
So I'm putting around in my car about a half hour ago, listening to KYW newsradio in Philly, and a "Washington bureau" correspondent starts talking about how Tivo users can now share their shows. Cool, I'm thinking, some pretty mainstream exposure for TiVo. Then the reporter cuts to "industry observer mathowie"...
Is there any easy way to check for deleted threads?
I really enjoy watching bright (and not so bright) people make stupid, dumb mistakes. Is there any easy way to check for deleted threads?
Chicago Meetup
Ok, kids. Chicago meetup's on the 15th, at the Hopleaf.
August 4
Is there a demand for an additional/different Mefi CD Swap?
Is there a demand for an additional/different Mefi CD Swap?
August 3
Calling Out Hama7
Meetup in NYC with adrober Aug. 7 2004?
adrober is moving to New York on Friday, and all that login excitement is over, so what better time to remind people of Saturday, August 7, at Bohemian Beer Hall? I guess the time will be ... a good time for beer and sausages? I know that doesn't narrow it down much. Come on in, and let us know when you will arrive.
August 2
Edinburgh meetup?
This post got me wondering - how many of us will be in Edinburgh for the Festival in August? Sailoreagle is there, and I'm going to be there in a couple of weeks, so that makes at least two. Maybe a UK-but-not-London-with-some-international-colour meet-up is a possibility?
Minneapolis meetup and photos
I've posted the photos I took of the meetup last night in Minneapolis. Also, no better place to do it than here, so where should we meet/are we meeting at for the 14th?
Global Positioning Lookup
How about a longitude/latitude lookup? (I was planning on cloaking my identity for this question but I dithered too long and lost my chance.)
Or is he?
Mefi coldfusion error
When I try to get onto mefi or any of its subsidiaries I get this coldfusion error.
This only happens in Firefox. I'm posting this with IE.
This only happens in Firefox. I'm posting this with IE.
August 1
Weekly movies meetup in Toronto.
As per this ask.me thread, I'm considering starting a weekly movie screening at my (Toronto) house. A few people posted in the thread that I should email them if it goes ahead. I'm getting closer to actually doing it so thought I'd post officially and say that if this interests you, please post here or send an email to me at metafilter @ victoryshag DOT com and I'll send you an invite with details. {more}
Are em-dashes bad?
Are em-dashes bad? In my post from yesterday I used an — and some “ and ”s (double quotes). But looking at it just now I see they've been changed to plain old - and ". Was this done by hand or automatically? Are there still systems / browsers that mangle these charaters?
Twin-Cities Meetup
Twin Cities meet-up at Brit's Pub for lawn bowling tonight, 6:30 PM. Also: another yet-to-be-determined meet-up is planned for August 14th. Let's discuss it here, as well.